Phoenix Park littering

patob wrote: »

Where were the OPW rangers and Gardai?

Up to their t1ts with similar shyte all over the Park and all over the City.

Bins need to be bigger to take more or more bins in use.
Dirty Dublin is indeed dirty and all because you cant think of how a simple thing grows and remember were still in Covid and spreading your cast offs does not impress me. Maybe we can empty a garbage truck in their front garden when we find out the culprits.

Park was wrecked here too, people having picnics and drinking sessions on the pitches over the weekend , a shîtload of stuff just left there... anybody wanting to train or play a match ? Impossible,, the fûck I’d be cleaning it up... I’m a goalkeeper not anybody else’s keeper...

There will be cctv going in soon which is good news.

This is why Japan banned bins. Geez if you put a bin in a field 500 miles from anyone, and leave it there an hour it will be full.
Japan have no bins, and hence has none of this mess.

Precisely, you brought it there, take it home! It's education and culture that's needed, not bins.

Hopefully if the deposit and return system is introduced it will really help deal with litter from drinks. Needs to include glass and not just plastic and cans though. Monetise litter and see how quickly the problem disappears

VonLuck wrote: »

I also wouldn't judge someone too harshly on putting rubbish beside a bin.

They basically threw their rubbish on the grown, they deserve to be judged in absolute harshness.

If the bins are full, take it to one that isn’t.

The law doesn’t allow littering full stop. There is no asterisked law. *‘if the bins are full that’s not your fault so litter away’.

You have arms, pockets, remove your rubbish... if you go to the park for a picnic, bring a black bin liner too...takes up no room, it’s not difficult.

People bring what turns into litter to the Park. What makes it litter is that they don't take it home again. We don't need bigger bins or more bins. We need people to cop on.

What is a 'Guardian of the Park Scheme' anyways?
Make a bunch of curtain twitchers think they are litter wardens and go around annoying people? :pac:

VonLuck wrote: »

so they left it at the point where rubbish gets collected.

Which was on the ground. Councils will always collect illegal dumping once they're aware of it. Is it ok if I use the local ditch as I know it's going to be collected anyway?

Are you saying that the ground around or nearby bins are designated rubbish collection points? You either put your rubbish in the bin, or you don't.

There's no allowance for throwing things on the ground. Anyone that think it's acceptable to throw rubbish on the ground just because it's near a rubbish bin is an almighty idiot. It's no different than throwing a bag of rubbish from your car onto the side of the road.

begbysback wrote: »

First sign of the psychological impact of long term lockdown appearing on this thread.

a) putting rubbinsh in bins is not littering

I never said it was.

begbysback wrote: »

b) yes, double the amount of bin collectors if there are going to be more people in the park who would like to dispose of their rubbish

That's never going to happen, and anyway if it did do you think it will cut down on rubbish being dumped? I don't.

begbysback wrote: »

c) it seems the people who littered disposed of their rubbish beside the bin, so it looks at least they made an effort to get to a bin, only for it to be full - why make it difficult for people to dispose of rubbish?

Made an effort??

Look at all these great citizens making an effort, you really think 2 extra bins in this shot would have left the location spotless :pac:

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Maybe they should leave skips all around the countryside too to stop the fly tippers there!... maybe put 2 beside each other because there wouldn't be enough.

bins attract rubbish.

Just bring it home with you. and sort it/recycle it.

https://www.thejournal.ie/dcc-removes-public-bins-illegal-dumping-491596-Jun2012/

VonLuck wrote: »

That's not really providing a solution though. It's like saying that you've found a way to prevent theft - just don't steal!

Wat?

I have found a way to prevent theft... Just Don't leave your front door open

Your analogy is bad and you should feel bad.

VonLuck wrote: »

You're the one with the bad analogy I'm afraid! You originally said that the individual should bring home their rubbish in order to stop them being a litterer. A like for like situation is that an individual should not enter someone else's home in order to stop them being a thief.

What you've followed up with is essentially that the onus is on the victim to prevent theft! I guess that's like saying don't give people packaging that will enable them to litter? To be honest I'm not really sure what your analogy is there

Likewise.

You could also argue if you had more houses then burglary rates would go down!

More bins, littering goes down.

What's the big deal about bringing home your rubbish? Why can't you do it.

VonLuck wrote: »

Yes, more bins. That was my suggestion, but you were saying that everyone should just bring their rubbish home!

The big deal about bringing home your rubbish is that there are plenty of lazy and careless people out there. Simply telling them to bring their rubbish home won't change anything. That takes years of education from a young age and even a cultural change. Bins are the temporary solution to the problem and education is the long term goal.

Ya I totally agree, plenty of lazy and careless people out there who will dump no matter how many bins the are.

I remember back in the 80s we watched a cartoon in primary school , the tag line was "litterbug, litterbug shame on you." Needless to say we went INSANE shouting the jingle at locals and random strangers outside the school, got obsessed and took licence plate numbers of people chucking stuff out the window passing in cars. Principal passed on the plates to the gardaí and all :pac:

begbysback wrote: »

Or here’s an idea, maybe actually put in more bins, bigger bins even, and maybe clear the bins out more regularly.

There’s a vast shortage of bins in the park, we need more bins, not the bin police

This isn’t always true. The council put loads of extra bins in the grand canal dock area this past weekend. They all filled up and the rubbish around the area was the worst I’ve ever seen in that area the next morning. With that said we still do need an adequate amount of bins evenly spread around.

Likewise I mentioned here a while back about a privately operated bin which overflowed at weekends creating so much litter. It was removed and the litter issue has disappeared. Bins can create a litter issue in the immediate vicinity of the bin.

There’s definitely a cultural problem on this. Also folks. Crush your cans, coffee cups and pizza boxes. Make space for others to dispose of their rubbish.

Finally, seagulls. Those damn things are also massive litter bugs. They can easily pick at rubbish bags and throw rubbish all over the place. I think people underestimate the amount of litter created by them. We need some anti seagull bin bags or something.

Hi OP,

Its not just the Phoenix Park, Fairview park was in a mess last week also, Clontarf seafront same, St Annes Park same.

The problem here is the general public, who just dump their rubbish anywhere and everywhere.

Its a behavioural problem , people here dont seem to respect their environment, this is a family and parent education/ up bringing , good manners.

We need more enforcement , not enough littler wardens , not enough park rangers.

People throw cigarette butts out of their cars, fly tipping is also rampant since covid started.

Observed a guy last week driving a top of the range Audi 192 reg in my local Applegreen service station , taking 2 black bags out of his boot and transfer the contents to the Applegreen bins as I was topping up on air and water.

Said it to him, was told to mind my own fcuking business.

Reported it to staff in the service station as there was CCTV covering the area.

He said , oh thats happening all the time since Covid 19 in March 2020.

So as I cant generalise but why are the general public littering so much.

You dont see this in Singapore, the place is spotless.

Treppen wrote: »

I never said it was.

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Looks like a scene from a 3rd World country, its very sad that people have no civic pride anymore.

mrcheez wrote: »

Yes but the Japanese take personal responsibility seriously. They would feel ashamed to make others uncomfortable due to their actions.

It's a cultural thing that would be absent here.

In other words, here, if no bins then people would fling their rubbish in the Liffey or just anywhere.

Personal responsibility here by some is absolutely frowned upon, gone awol, it’s about as fashionable as lice ... next you’ll have someone having been arrested for theft of xxx euros of groceries from tesco.. “ there were no signs to say I couldn’t steal, so it’s the shops fault, AND I’m going to sue both the shop and An Garda Siochana because of the stress...my mental health, I should be given the GPO and a lifetime of free groceries as compensation”

People littering in parks need sorting. Get the Gardai and courts to make examples of them.

A nice monetary fine and a week in a jumpsuit with a sweeping brush for company.

Treppen wrote: »

The point is... People are doing that anyway, bins or no bins.

Not really, I think the majority of people are putting them in bins when the bins are empty, but then when the bins are full they fling them "in the proximity" of the bins... in a sort of half-hearted attempt at well meaning (cuz sure it's easy for the bin men to collect them off the ground if they're near the bins)

Treppen wrote: »

Ya I agree, although if you but an extra bin beside that one would it solve the problem?

Ok so.. update... Extra New bins are really solving the littering issue. Maybe we need double the amount of extra new bins.