Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X Read OP For Mod Warnings

gozunda · 26-04-2021 11:01AM

big syke wrote: »

I think there needs to be a little bit of perspective on the entre India situation.Yes its awful, really awful.

However to even hint we could end up like them by moving too quick on restrictions is a bit of a stretch.

1 India has for the past 6 months been a country where you would think Covid did not exist. No masks, no distancing, mass gatherings.

2 Total reopening of society in December. Not an irish 6 day opening a total opening of everything.

3 Mumbai,Kolkata and Delhei is the 3rd, 6th and 10th most densely populated city in the world. If you think gatherings in galways beach was packed think this x 100 constantly in these cities

4 Poor hygiene (hand washing) and one of the most poverty stricken countires in the world (70% are classes as living in poverty)

Yeah perspective here's some more

1. India had one of the lowest rates of case fatality for covid in the world up to and including recent months.

https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/comment/decline-covid-19-india-unclear/

2. Low rates of fatality and cases led to calls for a reduction of restrictions and mask wearing.

3. As a result of the roll back of some restrictions - crowds attended religious festivals and political rallies as well as increased socialisation and travel. Although other essential restrictions stayed in place.

4. A new variant which is being investigated for higher levels of transmissibility has been identified as a (potential) driver of the current wave of infections

4. In terms of achieving herd immunity through vaccination - India is amongst the world leaders in absolute number of vaccinations and has so far injected 117 million vaccine doses. Currently they have approx 8 % of their population vaccinated as opposed to about 17% here. It also has a large percentage of younger age groups in its population.

But yeah nothing like that has ever or could happen here ...

KrustyUCC · 26-04-2021 11:02AM

Subtle change in language used in easing of restrictions

"Sources say Government plans are on track to allow for the reopening of guesthouses and hotels in the month of June, and to lift the ban on travelling outside county boundaries at the same time."

Before the return of St Tony intercounty travel was mooted for after the Bank Holiday weekend while guesthouses/hotels was mid June

In the month of June means the end of June

"It is thought indoor hospitality will only fully resume some time in July."

If it's not in place for 1st of July then forget staycations with hotel restaurants closed

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/covid-reopening-varadkar-says-absolute-goal-is-to-avoid-fourth-wave-1117495.html

July and August crucial for hospitality

The government also will run into issues with Europesn green card

Allowing incoming travelers in July which they will need to do yet having fines for foreign holidays for people in this country will be some contradiction

Ktek · 26-04-2021 11:04AM

What are the chances of creeping lockdowns after all this ?

Too much traffic in the city centre ?

Lockdown cars and commute by bus only !

Hey it worked for covid

Tenzor07 · 26-04-2021 11:05AM

More crazy unscientific restrictions highlighted in the Indo:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/mass-confusion-up-to-50-people-allowed-at-mass-from-mid-may-but-not-for-weddings-or-funerals-40354914.html

50 at mass but not a funeral?? What the heck?

JRant · 26-04-2021 11:07AM

growleaves wrote: »

'The international situation is feeding into a renewed sense of caution for the Taoiseach over the weekend.' - Newstalk

Lol

Another example of them pick and choosing whatever suits their narrative. The UK are going great but let's focus on india and other far flung places as we obviously have more in common with them.

KrustyUCC · 26-04-2021 11:07AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

More crazy unscientific restrictions highlighted in the Indo:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/mass-confusion-up-to-50-people-allowed-at-mass-from-mid-may-but-not-for-weddings-or-funerals-40354914.html

50 at mass but not a funeral?? What the heck?

They're worried about the socialisation afterwards apparently

Funny though you can't have anybody in your garden outdoors either yet they're allowing 50 indoors for mass

big syke · 26-04-2021 11:07AM

Boggles wrote: »

That's not even remotely true, they eased way too much at the beginning February because their leader is a populous cretin.

Now the criminals are making a fortune selling black market oxygen because hospitals don't have any.

There is no cheat sheet, all though listening to this thread Covid was only meant to be a 1st world problem.

But we can't mention India now, Go figure.

I agree about theit leader but it is true. I know for a fact what it has been like in the largest city in India since October and it only gotten worse since the great opening of December. Have you been to India recently or know anyone living there?

There have been large gatherings, and in general

No one said we cant mention India but when some its hard to comparet India and Ireland with regards to easing outdoor dining and other restirctions that make sense.

Can you not see the difference between the 2 nations? Honestly ?

KrustyUCC · 26-04-2021 11:10AM

JRant wrote: »

Another example of them pick and choosing whatever suits their narrative. The UK are going great but let's focus on india and other far flung places as we obviously have more in common with them.

Yet when most European countries were far less restricted last year we still insisted on the slowest reopening here

No mind for international situation then

shtpEdthePlum · 26-04-2021 11:11AM

Fuhk this I'm having a garden party, i don't even care

funnydoggy · 26-04-2021 11:11AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

More crazy unscientific restrictions highlighted in the Indo:

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/mass-confusion-up-to-50-people-allowed-at-mass-from-mid-may-but-not-for-weddings-or-funerals-40354914.html

50 at mass but not a funeral?? What the heck?

I dislike the Indo but "Mass confusion" is genius

suicide_circus · 26-04-2021 11:11AM

Parachutes wrote: »

The Covidians are getting desperate now, they can sense their beloved lockdown will be coming to an end soon. Expect them to get even more deranged the next while as they desperately try clamour on to their little lockdown paradise.

A reading from the second letter by St. Anthony to the Covidians.

"And Lo, the Lord did send a terrible pestilence upon them and it smote 0.4% of their number..."

Tenzor07 · 26-04-2021 11:12AM

KrustyUCC wrote: »

They're worried about the socialisation afterwards apparently

Funny though you can't have anybody in your garden outdoors either yet they're allowing 50 indoors for mass

doesn't sound scientific at all! 50 at Mass... 25 at a funeral mass... burials are all outdoors generally... not all funerals end up in people meeting afterwards and even with only 25 allowed to the funeral mass, there's nothing to say the other 25 aren't watching online and will meet up afterwards anyways, and i'm sure this has been the case now for the past 12 months already...

ypres5 · 26-04-2021 11:15AM

JRant wrote: »

Another example of them pick and choosing whatever suits their narrative. The UK are going great but let's focus on india and other far flung places as we obviously have more in common with them.

Sure Sligo town and mumbai are one and the same, now if you were to compare ireland and sweden, that'd be utterly ridiculous

KrustyUCC · 26-04-2021 11:16AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

doesn't sound scientific at all! 50 at Mass... 25 at a funeral mass... burials are all outdoors generally... not all funerals end up in people meeting afterwards and even with only 25 allowed to the funeral mass, there's nothing to say the other 25 aren't watching online and will meet up afterwards anyways, and i'm sure this has been the case now for the past 12 months already...

It's the same crap as pulling crowds at sports games last year

The excuse used was people travelling to games together or socialising afterwards

big syke · 26-04-2021 11:16AM

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah perspective here's some more

1. India had one of the lowest rates of case fatality for covid in the world up to and including recent months.

https://www.thejournal.ie/india-covid19-case-levels-drop-5355716-Feb2021/ Yes they did really well previously. Very extreme restrictions up to and including beatings/caning in public for going outdoors

2. Low rates of fatality and cases led to calls for a reduction of restrictions and mask wearing. My point Re Indian government. Ireland cannot be compared we will follow WHO and Scientific advise.

3. As a result of the removal / roll back of restrictions - crowds attended religious festivals and political rallies as well as increased socialisation and travel MY point above

4. A new variant with higher levels of transmissibility has been identified as a driver of the current wave of infections Absolute nonsense. Unknown if it has more transmissibility

4. India is amongst the world leaders in absolute number of vaccinations and has so far injected 117 million vaccine doses. Currently they have approx 8 % of their population vaccinated as opposed to about 17% here Absolute number means nothing. yes 8% vs 17% - We have almost double and climbing

But yeah nothing like that has ever or could happen here ...So has it heppned here? Have people literally passed away on trollys on the street? No it hasnt and wont because we will raeact faster than that joke of a government in India

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I am not sure if you are too far gone now with your India Ireland comparison that you cannot back down but you really need to have a good look at the two countires and the state their social practices, health system, government involvement and where they are now with regards to vaccinations, positivity rate, hospitilisations etc.

If you cannot see the vast difference I feel pretty sad for you.

JRant · 26-04-2021 11:18AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

You're right!

It's amazing how some people pick up this "But India" argument when they don't have a clue about the country and the full picture there.... they never even gave a second thought to the country before this...

India is the new Brazil, which was the new Chile. It's hard to keep up with where the goalposts are anymore.

ypres5 · 26-04-2021 11:20AM

JRant wrote: »

India is the new Brazil, which was the new Chile. It's hard to keep up with where the goalposts are anymore.

At this point the goalposts should make their own Michael Palin style travel documentary with all the places they've been.

scamalert · 26-04-2021 11:21AM

big syke wrote: »

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I am not sure if you are too far gone now with your India Ireland comparison that you cannot back down but you really need to have a good look at the two countires and the state their social practices, health system, government involvement and where they are now with regards to vaccinations, positivity rate, hospitilisations etc.

If you cannot see the vast difference I feel pretty sad for you.

far gone, if cant answer aside plastering google search results

Baggly · 26-04-2021 11:23AM

Parachutes wrote: »

The Covidians are getting desperate now, they can sense their beloved lockdown will be coming to an end soon. Expect them to get even more deranged the next while as they desperately try clamour on to their little lockdown paradise.

Mod

Threadbanned.

Akesh · 26-04-2021 11:24AM

Boggles wrote: »

That's not even remotely true, they eased way too much at the beginning February because their leader is a populous cretin.
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Thanks for the critical theory analysis. Do you have any evidence to support that?

The new cases are due to a new variant B.1.617 which was discovered in mid-April. If restriction lifting was to blame why wasn't there an explosion at the end of February?

Do you also see any hypocrisy in calling someone a populous cretin while supporting populist pseudoscientific theory on Covid in this very thread?

suicide_circus · 26-04-2021 11:24AM

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

Fuhk this I'm having a garden party, i don't even care

Had one the weekend before last. Lamb chops on the bbq and beer in the ice bucket.

Sharpyshoot · 26-04-2021 11:33AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Had one the weekend before last. Lamb chops on the bbq and beer in the ice bucket.

Lamb chops on a bbq is nearly reason enough to have a full lockdown.

JeffKenna · 26-04-2021 11:34AM

big syke wrote: »

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I am not sure if you are too far gone now with your India Ireland comparison that you cannot back down but you really need to have a good look at the two countires and the state their social practices, health system, government involvement and where they are now with regards to vaccinations, positivity rate, hospitilisations etc.

If you cannot see the vast difference I feel pretty sad for you.

I think it shows where a person's moral compass is at to compare the people of India who live in the caste system to Ireland.

suicide_circus · 26-04-2021 11:35AM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

Lamb chops on a bbq is nearly reason enough to have a full lockdown.

Marinated in lemon juice, garlic and mint

lawred2 · 26-04-2021 11:36AM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

doesn't sound scientific at all! 50 at Mass... 25 at a funeral mass... burials are all outdoors generally... not all funerals end up in people meeting afterwards and even with only 25 allowed to the funeral mass, there's nothing to say the other 25 aren't watching online and will meet up afterwards anyways, and i'm sure this has been the case now for the past 12 months already...

there's a whiff of puritanism of NPHET... definitely a strong ideological dislike of alcohol...

lawred2 · 26-04-2021 11:36AM

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

Lamb chops on a bbq is nearly reason enough to have a full lockdown.

that's just wrong

Boggles · 26-04-2021 11:41AM

Akesh wrote: »

Thanks for the critical theory analysis. Do you have any evidence to support that?

You mean the piece I included where it states the mass easing of restrictions at the start of February?

That type of evidence like?

Akesh wrote: »

Do you also see any hypocrisy in calling someone a populous cretin while supporting populist pseudoscientific theory on Covid in this very thread?

LOL

gozunda · 26-04-2021 11:49AM

big syke wrote: »

.I am not sure if you are too far gone now with your India Ireland comparison that you cannot back down but you really need to have a good look at the two countires and the state their social practices, health system, government involvement and where they are now with regards to vaccinations, positivity rate, hospitilisations etc.

If you cannot see the vast difference I feel pretty sad for you.

It remains India had one of the lowest case rate of fatalities and low rates of infection right up recent months.

But to your rather odd soliquay

My comparison? Rflol. I made no comparison between the two - other than to note our different vaccination rates and what has already happened.

But yes you did indeed provide that rather odd "perpesctive"

And you feel 'sad for me? Do you. Really? Tbf thats like something a 4 year old child would say. But no matter.

As to your highlighted bits

Yeah heres some even more perspective

big syke wrote:

Yes they did really well previously. Very extreme restrictions up to and including beatings/caning in public for going outdoors

Wtf? Has has Indian policing methods got to do with the present outbreak?

big syke wrote:

My point Re Indian government. Ireland cannot be compared we will follow WHO and Scientific advise.

So did India ...

big syke wrote:

MY point above

Nope you claimed a big reopening 6 months ago / Christmas. Not so.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-india-extends-lockdown-by-two-weeks-but-implements-zones-with-different-rules-11982191

big syke wrote:

Absolute nonsense. Unknown if it has more transmissibility

Yes. Currently under investigation as it is a new variant.

What's concerning scientists about the Indian variant is there appear to be two mutations which may make the vaccines less effective, and may make the virus more transmissible. Scientists are Currently gathering evidence about this.

big syke wrote:

Absolute number means nothing. yes 8% vs 17% - We have almost double and climbing

Its to do with the percentage of the population vaccinated required for herd immunity. That is currently estimated at 50%. Neither we nor India are anywhere close to that.

big syke wrote:

So has it heppned here? Have people literally passed away on trollys on the street? No it hasnt and wont because we will raeact faster than that joke of a government in India

Yeah nothing at all. In one month we had than 1,000 deaths and 100,000 cases recorded and our health services were reeling.

But if you wish to go down the tit for tat with the tragedy which is unfolding in India because people there thought they could do away with restrictions like some do here - then do so. But your unsupported hyperbole doesn't stand up to scrutiny I'm afraid.

Boggles · 26-04-2021 11:50AM

big syke wrote: »

I agree about theit leader but it is true. I know for a fact what it has been like in the largest city in India since October and it only gotten worse since the great opening of December. Have you been to India recently or know anyone living there?

There have been large gatherings, and in general

The epidemiology reflects the easing of restrictions, as I offered in the last post.

Now if you have anything to offer in response other than hear say, by all means links it up.

big syke wrote: »

[No one said we cant mention India but when some its hard to comparet India and Ireland with regards to easing outdoor dining and other restirctions that make sense.

Can you not see the difference between the 2 nations? Honestly ?

I didn't compare the 2.

But India is still a very pertinent example of how things can seem "under control" and within 6-8 weeks absolute devastation.

Also an example for the "it's just a flu" brigade.

I have cited numerous examples around Europe where their leaders or regions ignored their scientists, tragic new wave and further restrictions that there was no need for.

Anyway we know the way, the UK and Israel have paved it.

OwenM · 26-04-2021 11:59AM

lawred2 wrote: »

there's a whiff of puritanism of NPHET... definitely a strong ideological dislike of alcohol...

Definitely, the temperance movement in Ireland is growing. Alcohol action Ireland even tried to spin a reduction in alcohol consumption in a negative light, a 6% reduction is an 'Ocean of alcohol’ pouring into Irish homes since pandemic, says Alcohol Action Ireland

https://alcoholireland.ie/alcohol-consumption-data-2020-disappointing/
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/soci...ures-1.4507455

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