Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

PTH2009

If we had a better health system would we be reopening faster?

If that's the case that the public are not at fault

FlubberJones

Boggles wrote: »

You don't class getting a 1 million plus children, plus all school staff, plus all child care back as easing of restrictions?

That is one cockeyed view of our current reality.

Not from my perspective no, I have no children in school and none in child care... the restrictions are still the same.

growleaves

lawred2 wrote: »

and then what?

People have to learn to say no for the next time.

There is no positive politics any more, just catastrophising.

We're already starting on a path to dismantling industrialisation in the name of preventing a 'climate emergency'.

What a self-aware and judicious person can do is refuse to panic when presented with Youtube videos of extreme weather events.

Without any self-correcting negative feedback, we will be bouncing from one state of emergency to another.

Boggles

FlubberJones wrote: »

Not from my perspective no, I have no children in school and none in child care... the restrictions are still the same.

At a population level, you don't actually matter.

But restrictions have changed for you too, if you choose not exercise them as seems to be a theme in here, that is a personal choice.

Sobit1964

the kelt wrote: »

So essentially really the plan from listening to those defending the plan is two fold or contains 2 points

Keep vaccinating as much as possible until a certain number or percentage of vaccinations is reached.

What is that percentage or number? No idea, some number off in to the future when a certain percentage of the population may or may not have received their first vaccinations or maybe both depending on numbers as per below in point 2.

And

Keep restrictions in place for a length of time to get or keep case numbers and hospitalisations below a certain number whilst waiting on a certain number or percentage of vaccinations to take place neither of which we know, please see point 1 for reference.

Any idea of the numbers or length of time associated to those numbers? No idea some time off in to the future when some number is reached or kept below a certain number that we dont really know yet but will let you know as soon as we figure out the number and then therefore the timeline associated with that number which will of course be depending on the numbers involved in point 1 and point 2.

Oooook then.

Hey did you notice that Italy and a few other countries have started opening up a bit more? Its pointless to look at other countries and use them as a reference point, we need to stop looking at what other countries are doing as each of those countries is totally different to ourselves.

Thats a really good point about not looking at other countries because i was looking at the mess that is in India at the moment but you're right totally different counties no point in looking at them, Phew! Oh India, whats happening in india could deffo happen here, definitely, we need to look at India closely!

It smacks of 'Trust The Plan' that Qanon/HardcoreTrumper level of blind belief. It's not a good look for the blindly faithful.

Archeron

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Remember that his pension and benefits will be secure for the rest of his days

And don’t forget this little gem when we had been in lockdown for a few months and case numbers were about 15 per day

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/we-are-worried-taoiseach-warn-plans-to-reopen-all-pubs-on-july-20th-may-be-delayed-1.4297327%3fmode=amp

I'd love somebody to ask the lovely Michael who exactly "They" are. Does he mean the peasants that should just shut up and do as they are told? Jaysus that man has the charisma and likeability of a bag of dog poo hanging in a tree.

JRant

Boggles wrote: »

You don't class getting a 1 million plus children, plus all school staff, plus all child care back as easing of restrictions?

That is one cockeyed view of our current reality.

Schools are safe, both NPHET and the government have clearly stated this on many occasions. Why were they closed at all? That doesn't seem to be following any logical pattern at all. Were they closed down for the craic or are there actually issues with having schools open? One of these is true but the NPHET science keeps telling us they are safe so which one is it?

Hellrazer

Tonys latest letter to Donnelly up now.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/

Its not as negative as I thought it would be - especially coming from Tony!!!

Page 3 is the usual "next 2 weeks are crucial" bull**** though!!!

Boggles

JRant wrote: »

Schools are safe, both NPHET and the government have clearly stated this on many occasions. Why were they closed at all? That doesn't seem to be following any logical pattern at all. Were they closed down for the craic or are there actually issues with having schools open? One of these is true but the NPHET science keeps telling us they are safe so which one is it?

Schools can function as long as the level of virus in the community is at low levels, I'm pretty sure that was the official stance from NPHET.

You would want to be a dangerous simpleton to believe schools are 100% "safe".

It's why France and Germany have closed them, unless they did it for the craic.

Who knows.

Sharpyshoot

Hellrazer wrote: »

Tonys latest letter to Donnelly up now.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/

Its not as negative as I thought it would be - especially coming from Tony!!!

Page 3 is the usual "next 2 weeks are crucial" bull**** though!!!

Tony is in line for Sainthood.

gozunda

namloc1980 wrote: »

Those aren't goals. Those should be the means to get to the goals which should be reopen the country, get tourism working again etc etc.

What you have laid out here is exactly the lack of a plan that has most of the country very frustrated. "Keep vaccinating, keep infections low" can't be the goals, otherwisewe will never get out of this.

Yes they are goals. Because that's exactly what will get tourism working again etc etc. You can have as many provisional dates for tourism etc but if a countries rate of infection is out control - no one is going to come visit.

Eh how do you figure that? Once we get people vaccinated currently (50% total adult population min est) then like UK and elsewhere we're on the flip side. That and likley there will be booster vaccines when needs be but that's not going to stop people being fully vaccinated in the first place

groovyg

Anyone know when the libraries are reopening? Are the staff that worked in libraries redeployed elsewhere? I can’t get over they are still closed four months in, schools reopened in March. Last Summer they offered a click and collect service this time nothing.

Terence Rattigan

Hellrazer wrote: »

Tonys latest letter to Donnelly up now.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/

Its not as negative as I thought it would be - especially coming from Tony!!!

Page 3 is the usual "next 2 weeks are crucial" bull**** though!!!

Looks like it was signed by someone called Joey Gee, who is this person?

Stormyteacup

Hellrazer wrote: »

Tonys latest letter to Donnelly up now.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/

Its not as negative as I thought it would be - especially coming from Tony!!!

Page 3 is the usual "next 2 weeks are crucial" bull**** though!!!

Two and a half pages of regurgitating what’s in the HSPC reports, one page on LTRC visits and a half page general summary.

Full marks for using the figure of 617 cases reported on 22nd April, which included a backlog, to point to the precarious position we are in. Why pick out that date? I thought they used 5 day, 7 day or 14 day averages - depending on which one reinforced the message best?

Corholio

Stormyteacup wrote: »

Two and a half pages of regurgitating what’s in the HSPC reports, one page on LTRC visits and a half page general summary.

Full marks for using the figure of 617 cases reported on 22nd April, which included a backlog, to point to the precarious position we are in. Why pick out that date? I thought they used 5 day, 7 day or 14 day averages - depending on which one reinforced the message best?

Noticed that as well, I have rarely mentioned NPHET as I believe the government are ultimately responsible for decisions, but picking that date was bizarre and unnecessarily deceiving figures wise, especially when no day has gone near that since.

I often think this is towards those who get in a flutter over a 100 etc case increase regardless of the figures either side of these days in the average.

normanoffside

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Remember that his pension and benefits will be secure for the rest of his days

And don’t forget this little gem when we had been in lockdown for a few months and case numbers were about 15 per day

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/we-are-worried-taoiseach-warn-plans-to-reopen-all-pubs-on-july-20th-may-be-delayed-1.4297327%3fmode=amp

This culture we have developed of taking videos of outdoor gatherings and posting them on social media is the worst thing about this last year.
It has caused a lot of our over the top restrictions as well as a culture of curtain twitching and social media outrage which has driven government policy.

I happened to overhear Radio 1 on Sunday (on in the background) and all morning they were talking about the 'disgraceful scenes' from Salthill like it had a world war 3 level of importance.

Corholio

normanoffside wrote: »

This culture we have developed of taking videos of outdoor gatherings and posting them on social media is the worst thing about this last year.
It has caused a lot of our over the top restrictions as well as a culture of curtain twitching and social media outrage which has driven government policy.

I happened to overhear Radio 1 on Sunday (on in the background) and all morning they were talking about the 'disgraceful scenes' from Salthill like it had a world war 3 level of importance.

Also the videoing and photographing people in airports at the start of the year was practically the embryo of MHQ. That along with the amateur park photographers caused a nasty sap to ooze out from a lot of people here.

Silentcorner

normanoffside wrote: »

This culture we have developed of taking videos of outdoor gatherings and posting them on social media is the worst thing about this last year.
It has caused a lot of our over the top restrictions as well as a culture of curtain twitching and social media outrage which has driven government policy.

I happened to overhear Radio 1 on Sunday (on in the background) and all morning they were talking about the 'disgraceful scenes' from Salthill like it had a world war 3 level of importance.

It's something that will live long in the memory, the shaming of young people doing what young people do...after they have had every social outlet, work and college experience taken from them for a virus they won't even feel more often than not.

The bed wetters in RTE's major problem is that no one is listening to them anymore if the scenes I'm sure we are all witnessing all over the country are anything to go by...it's been like a festival in towns and city centre's around the country...no one is remotely afraid of the allegedly deadly new variant they've been peddling since February.

brickster69

New Zealand having fun. Good on them.

https://twitter.com/Mediavenir/status/1386273790422880257

SnuggyBear

PTH2009 wrote: »

I'll have to reframe from putting my foot through the TV when MM makes his condescending speech

You are better off not looking at it. I've been ignoring all covid news and this board for a couple of weeks. I'm basically pretending covid doesn't exist as much as possible. I'm much happier especially with the nice weather.

JeffKenna

normanoffside wrote: »

This culture we have developed of taking videos of outdoor gatherings and posting them on social media is the worst thing about this last year.
It has caused a lot of our over the top restrictions as well as a culture of curtain twitching and social media outrage which has driven government policy.

I happened to overhear Radio 1 on Sunday (on in the background) and all morning they were talking about the 'disgraceful scenes' from Salthill like it had a world war 3 level of importance.

Stones and glass houses comes to mind thinking of RTE.

funnydoggy

Hellrazer wrote: »

Tonys latest letter to Donnelly up now.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/

Its not as negative as I thought it would be - especially coming from Tony!!!

Page 3 is the usual "next 2 weeks are crucial" bull**** though!!!

Stephen: 👍

gozunda

bear1 wrote: »

Being allowed to go the zoo? Doesn't really mean much to those that don't live in Dublin does it?
50 at a funeral but weddings no? Logic?
Comparing us to Israel and the UK is pointless as they got their **** together much earlier.
We've politicians that day in day out change their minds and rely on what one group says.
It's an embarrassment.

You got "zoo's" from entirety of that comment - seriously?


The government (whether you like them or otherwise) are trying to get everyone vaccinated and keep the rate of infection down

Every school child in the country back in the classroom. You can travel to any outdoor location any where in your county plus 20km if need be. You can meet up with others. You can go exexcise. But yeah "zoos" ...

As for weddings and funerals - yeah they tend involve extended periods of indoor mixing over periods of time with lots of close contact and are occasions where its difficult to maintain social distancing. Mass not so much whilst also indoor - is relatively short and social distancing can be enforced.


You know what- no matter what will be done - there will be people whinging and complaining that it doesn't suit them personally yada yada yada. Yeah that's sure an embarrassment alright ...

Coillte_Bhoy

PTH2009 wrote: »

NPHET will once again remind us 'it was the virus's fault not ours'

Well it isnt their fault actually, nothing to do with them

FintanMcluskey

Hellrazer wrote: »

Tonys latest letter to Donnelly up now.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/

Its not as negative as I thought it would be - especially coming from Tony!!!

Page 3 is the usual "next 2 weeks are crucial" bull**** though!!!

More rubbish about a variant that doesn’t exist that the vaccine might not work effectively on if it did

How much are we paying these to type up this vomit?

normanoffside

Hellrazer wrote: »

Tonys latest letter to Donnelly up now.

https://www.gov.ie/en/collection/ba4aa0-letters-from-the-cmo-to-the-minister-for-health/

Its not as negative as I thought it would be - especially coming from Tony!!!

Page 3 is the usual "next 2 weeks are crucial" bull**** though!!!

I'm surprised there are still 13 deaths caused by Hospital Outbreaks and 3 caused by Nursing home outbreaks.
That's a third of the total (47) deaths recorded in April so far.

Speak Now

So will hotel's that open in June have to wait until July for indoor dining??

Sharpyshoot

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

More rubbish about a variant that doesn’t exist that the vaccine might not work effectively on if it did

How much are we paying these to type up this vomit?

Nearly half a million a year. Nphet want this circus to go for another few years.

KanyeSouthEast

J&J vaccine for over 50s only as per NIAC. What a time to be Irish#proud

RGS

gozunda wrote: »

You got "zoo's" from entirety of that comment - seriously

You can travel to any outdoor location any where in your county plus 20km if need be......

Hate to burst your bubble that's incorrect.

You can travel within your county or within 20kms of your home if crossing county boundaries.

https://www.gov.ie/en/publication/2dc71-level-5/#your-quick-guide-to-the-changes