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TomOnBoard · 24-04-2021 01:56PM

wadacrack wrote: »

Useful Study

https://twitter.com/vacciworld/status/1385927609125675008

That graphic might mean something to some, but it means nothing to me! What is it saying?

Ficheall · 24-04-2021 02:10PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

That graphic might mean something to some, but it means nothing to me! What is it saying?

Looks like people are less cautious the second week after vaccination?

JPA · 24-04-2021 02:14PM

muckisluck wrote: »

Online is absolutely the way to go but if I had said that I would have expected a raft of replies complaining about internet access, no pc etc. My infuriation is entirely to do with the ageism involved in the infantilising of our older population. I registered my self online last week

Anyone registering their parents is surely doing it with the full consent and cooperation of the parents.

iamwhoiam · 24-04-2021 02:15PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

That graphic might mean something to some, but it means nothing to me! What is it saying?

Thought it was just me ! I have no idea what tye numbers mean

castletownman · 24-04-2021 02:18PM

I registered my Dad on the vaccine portal on the first day it opened, and Mam registered on Sunday night. Neither of them had got any word of an appointment all week.

However, in the mean-time their GP practise opened up their own portal to vaccinate over 60s (I think, could be 65-69), and both of them are getting jabbed this coming Friday.

Absolutely thrilled.

JPA · 24-04-2021 02:21PM

castletownman wrote: »

I registered my Dad on the vaccine portal on the first day it opened, and Mam registered on Sunday night. Neither of them had got any word of an appointment all week.

However, in the mean-time their GP practise opened up their own portal to vaccinate over 60s (I think, could be 65-69), and both of them are getting jabbed this coming Friday.

Absolutely thrilled.

The GP practice opened their own portal?

Strazdas · 24-04-2021 02:22PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

That graphic might mean something to some, but it means nothing to me! What is it saying?

The longer you go after you have been vaccinated, the more immune you become. After four weeks, your chances of being hospitalised if you contract Covid are very low.

Professor Moriarty · 24-04-2021 02:22PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

That graphic might mean something to some, but it means nothing to me! What is it saying?

It shows the effectiveness of a single shot of AZ or Pfiizer regarding hospitalisation over time. E.g. 35-41 days after receiving a shot, AZ offers 97% protection against hospitalisation and Pfizer offers 78%.

revelman · 24-04-2021 02:27PM

castletownman wrote: »

I registered my Dad on the vaccine portal on the first day it opened, and Mam registered on Sunday night. Neither of them had got any word of an appointment all week.

However, in the mean-time their GP practise opened up their own portal to vaccinate over 60s (I think, could be 65-69), and both of them are getting jabbed this coming Friday.

Absolutely thrilled.

I’m genuinely delighted for your parents. But I worry a bit about the overall approach at a national level. Anecdotally, I’ve heard of people in their sixties without underlying conditions getting vaccinated at their GP in rural areas in the last few days. AZ has to go to people over 60. Each person in their sixties who gets Pfizer from their GP means others will have to wait longer. I’m not criticising GPs - I just think there is a lack of joined up thinking.

JPup · 24-04-2021 02:32PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

It shows the effectiveness of a single shot of AZ or Pfiizer regarding hospitalisation over time. E.g. 35-41 days after receiving a shot, AZ offers 97% protection against hospitalisation and Pfizer offers 78%.

But with very wide confidence intervals. Best way to interpret that is that both vaccines will very quickly give you excellent protection from serious disease rather than focussing too much on the specific numbers.

castletownman · 24-04-2021 02:33PM

revelman wrote: »

I’m genuinely delighted for your parents. But I worry a bit about the overall approach at a national level. Anecdotally, I’ve heard of people in their sixties without underlying conditions getting vaccinated at their GP in rural areas in the last few days. AZ has to go to people over 60. Each person in their sixties who gets Pfizer from their GP means others will have to wait longer. I’m not criticising GPs - I just think there is a lack of joined up thinking.

They are getting AZ.

As far as I know, the GP practise is only starting next week when the supply of AZ arrives.

Professor Moriarty · 24-04-2021 02:34PM

JPup wrote: »

But with very wide confidence intervals. Best way to interpret that is that both vaccines will very quickly give you excellent protection from serious disease rather than focussing too much on the specific numbers.

Yup. The results show that there is erratic variance for the first 41 days. But it looks like that you get good protection from a single shot - especially form AZ if the trajectory continues past the timeline.

Strazdas · 24-04-2021 02:35PM

revelman wrote: »

I’m genuinely delighted for your parents. But I worry a bit about the overall approach at a national level. Anecdotally, I’ve heard of people in their sixties without underlying conditions getting vaccinated at their GP in rural areas in the last few days. AZ has to go to people over 60. Each person in their sixties who gets Pfizer from their GP means others will have to wait longer. I’m not criticising GPs - I just think there is a lack of joined up thinking.

I thought the idea of the national portal was to make getting a vaccine from your GP redundant?

Wolf359f · 24-04-2021 02:43PM

adam240610 wrote: »

Do you know how confidence intervals work? You can't say that the effectiveness drops after five weeks from this chart

They are using a 95% CI, so they can safely say AZ effectiveness increases week on week, but using the same logic, Pfizer appears to drop can't be said?
Yes they are wide CI bands, but for Pfizer, the bands for days 28-34 & 35-41 don't even overlap.

Anyways, they should have updated data from 12 week intervals that could update and get a more accurate result.

revelman · 24-04-2021 02:46PM

castletownman wrote: »

They are getting AZ.

As far as I know, the GP practise is only starting next week when the supply of AZ arrives.

Interesting. I had no idea that AZ was being supplied to GPs in this way. I thought that the MVCs were worried about having enough supplies...

TomOnBoard · 24-04-2021 02:54PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I thought the idea of the national portal was to make getting a vaccine from your GP redundant?

AFAIK, the national portal is the demand management tool for processing vaccs through the MVCs alone.

iamwhoiam · 24-04-2021 02:58PM

As far as I know GPs are meant to have Pfizer and vaccinate Cohort 4 and 7 at the minute

Strazdas · 24-04-2021 03:07PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

AFAIK, the national portal is the demand management tool for processing vaccs through the MVCs alone.

But if you're on the portal and are registered, you are not supposed to be receiving a vaccine from anywhere else, isn't that right?

iamwhoiam · 24-04-2021 03:12PM

Strazdas wrote: »

But if you're on the portal and are registered, you are not supposed to be receiving a vaccine from anywhere else, isn't that right?

I would have thought so . My understanding is that 60-70 should be vaccinate in MVCs and GPs attending to over 70 and the high risk groups

Strazdas · 24-04-2021 03:24PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I would have thought so . My understanding is that 60-70 should be vaccinate in MVCs and GPs attending to over 70 and the high risk groups

That's the way I understand it too. One group is supposed to get their vaccines from MVCs and the other from GPs : but they're not supposed to be on both lists.

LimerickGray · 24-04-2021 03:33PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I would have thought so . My understanding is that 60-70 should be vaccinate in MVCs and GPs attending to over 70 and the high risk groups

where do the GP get the names for the high risk groups? how do they classify them? Its the hospital consultants that make this decision in my case and he just said I'm putting you on my priority list.

crossman47 · 24-04-2021 04:41PM

There are more and more reports of long queues at the MVCs. Surely that can be sorted out?

TheDoctor · 24-04-2021 04:43PM

crossman47 wrote: »

There are more and more reports of long queues at the MVCs. Surely that can be sorted out?

From today or in general?

Miike · 24-04-2021 04:46PM

crossman47 wrote: »

There are more and more reports of long queues at the MVCs. Surely that can be sorted out?

Most MVC's aren't running at max capacity either. I wonder whats the bottleneck. It's hardly lack of vaccinators?

iamwhoiam · 24-04-2021 04:47PM

LimerickGray wrote: »

where do the GP get the names for the high risk groups? how do they classify them? Its the hospital consultants that make this decision in my case and he just said I'm putting you on my priority list.

I am not sure about all GPs but know that a family member rang him to say she was group 7 . He said his receptionists already had made lists of patients and were sorting into groups

crossman47 · 24-04-2021 04:49PM

TheDoctor wrote: »

From today or in general?

Reports today from Aviva and City West. Part of problem appears to be people arriving far too early and forming a queue. They are not told to wait until their appointed time.

iamwhoiam · 24-04-2021 04:49PM

Miike wrote: »

Most MVC's aren't running at max capacity either. I wonder whats the bottleneck. It's hardly lack of vaccinators?

Its people turning up to early for appointments is my guess .
I arrived in City west and no queue , no wait . My friend was 3 hours after me and queues were long for every stage

Valhallapt · 24-04-2021 04:50PM

Miike wrote: »

Most MVC's aren't running at max capacity either. I wonder whats the bottleneck. It's hardly lack of vaccinators?

I heard there is a shortage of vaccinators for the punchestown MVC alright. My wife applied to be a vaccinator 8 weeks ago... but I’ve done that rant already....

Turtwig · 24-04-2021 04:58PM

Miike wrote: »

Most MVC's aren't running at max capacity either. I wonder whats the bottleneck. It's hardly lack of vaccinators?

Just guessing.

Social distancing requirements make queues seem longer.

People arriving long before their scheduled time.

Too many people being booked at similar times.

Was once told if a tree falls, blocks a road and is cleared within 10 minutes it could still take up to three hours for traffic to resume to normal depending on normal flow rate of the traffic. Queuing can be similar. Especially if you don't put adequate controls in place.

crossman47 · 24-04-2021 05:11PM

Turtwig wrote: »

Just guessing.

Social distancing requirements make queues seem longer.

People arriving long before their scheduled time.

Too many people being booked at similar times.

Was once told if a tree falls, blocks a road and is cleared within 10 minutes it could still take up to three hours for traffic to resume to normal depending on normal flow rate of the traffic. Queuing can be similar. Especially if you don't put adequate controls in place.

Yes. People should be queried as they join the queue and all those more than say 30 minutes early moved to a separate line. They can then be called to join the main queue when their appointment is due.

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