Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

Aidric

FrStone wrote: »

I have been one of the biggest critics of the rollout. However, I registered my Father aged 64 this morning on the portal. He got a text a few hours later with an appointment date of Thursday.

Great news for us. I hope its not a one off and represents the HSE finally pulling the finger out.

Ya I get the feeling the ball is finally rolling. My parents are 65 and registered last Monday. They are based in county Limerick. They got called for their first appointment tomorrow. Can't complain about a 6 day turnaround.

Additionally as they registered together at the same time their appointment slots are within 5 mins of each other which points to a sensible appointment system.

ddarcy

Turtwig wrote: »

Just guessing.

Social distancing requirements make queues seem longer.

People arriving long before their scheduled time.

Too many people being booked at similar times.

Was once told if a tree falls, blocks a road and is cleared within 10 minutes it could still take up to three hours for traffic to resume to normal depending on normal flow rate of the traffic. Queuing can be similar. Especially if you don't put adequate controls in place.

I’ll give my experience, absolutely no social distancing. There is a lot of paperwork that needs to be dealt with, so you are queuing, filling out paperwork and then waiting for one the three HSE employees to go through it all. In my experience that was where the backlog was. There weren’t enough people processing the paperwork and it took a few minutes to get through once seen. After that you then queue to get the vaccine. Once you in the room, they go over what you are getting, effectiveness, what to watch out for etc, then the shot. Afterwards you have a 15 minute wait. So with no queue, just to do the basic amount will take you 30 minutes. Throw in people who can’t fill out paperwork correctly and there are even more delays.

iamwhoiam

ddarcy wrote: »

I’ll give my experience, absolutely no social distancing. There is a lot of paperwork that needs to be dealt with, so you are queuing, filling out paperwork and then waiting for one the three HSE employees to go through it all. In my experience that was where the backlog was. There weren’t enough people processing the paperwork and it took a few minutes to get through once seen. After that you then queue to get the vaccine. Once you in the room, they go over what you are getting, effectiveness, what to watch out for etc, then the shot. Afterwards you have a 15 minute wait. So with no queue, just to do the basic amount will take you 30 minutes. Throw in people who can’t fill out paperwork correctly and there are even more delays.

It was all very socially distanced in City West . We didn’t fill out any paperwork at all ? The receptionist filled it out on her computer . We then passed through quickly to the vaccinator who had the details on her tablet . Have to say it flowed well and I was vaccinated within 10 mins of arrival .

Deathofcool

Going by the Belgian delivery numbers (they have been incredibly accurate to date) we are looking at a large delivery next week. Should be in the region of 400k-418k doses for us over next week.

ddarcy

iamwhoiam wrote: »

It was all very socially distanced in City West . We didn’t fill out any paperwork at all ? The receptionist filled it out on her computer . We then passed through quickly to the vaccinator who had the details on her tablet . Have to say it flowed well and I was vaccinated within 10 mins of arrival .

Maybe they rectified it. We had to fill out medical history forms and then the agents also did stuff as well on the computer. I’m guessing taking what we wrote and United it in. I did this over a month ago now. I would say that it wasn’t rainy out, but wasn’t sunny either and they were not set up to handle any adverse weather. Once you got into the facility, it was just jammed. There was no room to move. They did attempt to limit numbers coming in though. This was Sligo for reference.

JPup

Deathofcool wrote: »

Going by the Belgian delivery numbers (they have been incredibly accurate to date) we are looking at a large delivery next week. Should be in the region of 400k-418k doses for us over next week.

That would be massive. We’d be looking at daily total above 60k potentially.

Ficheall

ddarcy wrote: »

Maybe they rectified it. We had to fill out medical history forms and then the agents also did stuff as well on the computer. I’m guessing taking what we wrote and United it in. I did this over a month ago now. I would say that it wasn’t rainy out, but wasn’t sunny either and they were not set up to handle any adverse weather. Once you got into the facility, it was just jammed. There was no room to move. They did attempt to limit numbers coming in though. This was Sligo for reference.

Know someone who took nearly three hours to get through Sligo process this week, so doesn't seem to be rectified yet..

ACitizenErased

Deathofcool wrote: »

Going by the Belgian delivery numbers (they have been incredibly accurate to date) we are looking at a large delivery next week. Should be in the region of 400k-418k doses for us over next week.

Baffling that Astrazeneca can’t confirm what they’re going to send the week after. Shocking planning. At least J&J have an excuse.

TomOnBoard

Strazdas wrote: »

But if you're on the portal and are registered, you are not supposed to be receiving a vaccine from anywhere else, isn't that right?

I don't believe that to be the practical reality.

If George (63) registers on the portal, he is saying "Hey, I'm here, Can I have an appointment please." While on the portal, his GP is not aware of that. Then, some spare Pfizers become available at tbe GP. They've been going through their lists and select George as a likely candidate because he has a mild COPD, is a phat phucker (but BMI < 40) and lives 10 minutes away. So they ring George and say "You wanna vaccine?" . What's George to do?

Strazdas

TomOnBoard wrote: »

I don't believe that to be the practical reality.

If George (63) registers on the portal, he is saying "Hey, I'm here, Can I have an appointment please." While on the portal, his GP is not aware of that. Then, some spare Pfizers become available at tbe GP. They've been going through their lists and select George as a likely candidate because he has a mild COPD, is a phat phucker (but BMI < 40) and lives 10 minutes away. So they ring George and say "You wanna vaccine?" . What's George to do?

I think what would have gone wrong there is that George is not supposed to have registered on the national portal.

ddarcy

Ficheall wrote: »

Know someone who took nearly three hours to get through Sligo process this week, so doesn't seem to be rectified yet..

I showed up about 10 minutes early to move and it took 3 hours in total. Not sure how it all goes when it’s rainy, etc. But all the queuing is done outdoors

TomOnBoard

Strazdas wrote: »

I think what would have gone wrong there is that George is not supposed to have registered on the national portal.

HSE says that , being 63, George should/may/can register on the Portal.

https://vaccine.hse.ie/

Champagne Sally

This is where barcodes with your appointment would be handy, security guy scans your barcode and either sends you into queue or into waiting car park. But probably asking too much. People are afraid they’ll be late and caught in traffic they don’t necessarily want to skip the queue, maybe issuing numbers with appointments and then sorting from that might help.

JTMan

A group of Immunologists and doctors have called for NIAC to make J&J available to all a broad range of age groups ...

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1386030153231372289

Galwayguy35

Don't think they are going to meet this 82% by June deadline they were talking about.

ACitizenErased

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Don't think they are going to meet this 82% by June deadline they were talking about.

Why not?

JPup

They will (or be very close) unless the J&J vaccine is heavily restricted by age.

Galwayguy35

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Why not?

Watch the news a bit more and you might find out.

GeorgeBailey

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Watch the news a bit more and you might find out.

For those of us who don't get the opportunity to watch the news could you give a couple of brief points?

ACitizenErased

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Watch the news a bit more and you might find out.

Do tell us what the news are saying

IRISHSPORTSGUY

No reason we can't reach the target and exceed it, especially with Pfizer giving us 550,000 extra doses. The mood music is also looking good for J&J regarding no restriction (fingers crossed).

Wolf359f

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Why not?

Very very rough calculations:
80% Adult Pop: 3,010,752

Groups 1-4 will all need their 2nd dose before the end of June.
So that's: 526,912 doses needed to have 908,298 people vaccinated

That leaves 2,102,454 people.
Of which Cohort 5 with AZ will not need their second jab until July, so 390,902 doses
J&J single jab: 600,000 doses

Leaving us 1,111,552 people left (here it's all guesswork)
Assuming equal vaccination that's 69 days (first 41 days will need their 2nd Jab before July) so:
660,487 1st Dose
660,487 2nd Dose
451,064 1st Dose (their second dose due July+)

Total doses needed for June 30th target: 3,289,852
That's averaging 47,679 a day, at the moment we're averaging 23k.
We hit 40k in a day without all MVC's running (and most GP's doing 1 day a week due to delivery issues), so it's certainly doable for sure.
I was skeptical until I roughly crunched the numbers, but if the math is correct, it's not a pipe dream!

JPup

The target is for 80% to have received at least one dose. Not two. Or am I reading you wrong?

Wolf359f

JPup wrote: »

The target is for 80% to have received at least one dose. Not two. Or am I reading you wrong?

Yes, but you can't not give people their second dose when their time comes.
So a lot of that 80% target has to include second doses also!

JPup

Wolf359f wrote: »

Yes, but you can't not give people their second dose when their time comes.
So a lot of that 80% target has to include second doses also!

I think they’ll space the second does for healthy under 60s to 6 weeks. Not certain yet of course, but it makes sense to do it.

ddarcy

Wolf359f wrote: »

Very very rough calculations:
80% Adult Pop: 3,010,752

Groups 1-4 will all need their 2nd dose before the end of June.
So that's: 526,912 doses needed to have 908,298 people vaccinated

That leaves 2,102,454 people.
Of which Cohort 5 with AZ will not need their second jab until July, so 390,902 doses
J&J single jab: 600,000 doses

Leaving us 1,111,552 people left (here it's all guesswork)
Assuming equal vaccination that's 69 days (first 41 days will need their 2nd Jab before July) so:
660,487 1st Dose
660,487 2nd Dose
451,064 1st Dose (their second dose due July+)

Total doses needed for June 30th target: 3,289,852
That's averaging 47,679 a day, at the moment we're averaging 23k.
We hit 40k in a day without all MVC's running (and most GP's doing 1 day a week due to delivery issues), so it's certainly doable for sure.
I was skeptical until I roughly crunched the numbers, but if the math is correct, it's not a pipe dream!

Obviously an assumption here, but with J&J, pharmacies could easily do all these, so we can have more options of places to get this done. Assuming of course everyone can get J&J. So could add to the total daily numbers and even help with the poor Sunday performance as well.

Wolf359f

JPup wrote: »

I think they’ll space the second does for healthy under 60s to 6 weeks. Not certain yet of course, but it makes sense to do it.

If they did, instead of 660k needing both doses and 450k only needing 1 dose (total doses: 1.77mil) it would literally be reversed: 450k needing both doses and 660k needing only 1 (total doses: 1.56mil)
So 210k extra doses to use.
When I say needing only 1 dose, that's 1 dose this side of the June 30th target

Wolf359f

ddarcy wrote: »

Obviously an assumption here, but with J&J, pharmacies could easily do all these, so we can have more options of places to get this done. Assuming of course everyone can get J&J. So could add to the total daily numbers and even help with the poor Sunday performance as well.

True and also I'd say pharmacies will be able to cater for Pfizer & Moderna also.
They just lacked the supply!

It would basically mean we need to vaccinated ~1% of our population per day for the next 10 weeks. I don't believe any country has come close to that though for that length of time. But we're not the only country in Europe to have this target. If they can do it (with the same supplies) why can't we?

Strazdas

Wolf359f wrote: »

True and also I'd say pharmacies will be able to cater for Pfizer & Moderna also.
They just lacked the supply!

It would basically mean we need to vaccinated ~1% of our population per day for the next 10 weeks. I don't believe any country has come close to that though for that length of time. But we're not the only country in Europe to have this target. If they can do it (with the same supplies) why can't we?

But that is what is anticipated - they think June will see a ferocious rollout of vaccines.

ACitizenErased

Wolf359f wrote: »

Very very rough calculations:
80% Adult Pop: 3,010,752

Groups 1-4 will all need their 2nd dose before the end of June.
So that's: 526,912 doses needed to have 908,298 people vaccinated

That leaves 2,102,454 people.
Of which Cohort 5 with AZ will not need their second jab until July, so 390,902 doses
J&J single jab: 600,000 doses

Leaving us 1,111,552 people left (here it's all guesswork)
Assuming equal vaccination that's 69 days (first 41 days will need their 2nd Jab before July) so:
660,487 1st Dose
660,487 2nd Dose
451,064 1st Dose (their second dose due July+)

Total doses needed for June 30th target: 3,289,852
That's averaging 47,679 a day, at the moment we're averaging 23k.
We hit 40k in a day without all MVC's running (and most GP's doing 1 day a week due to delivery issues), so it's certainly doable for sure.
I was skeptical until I roughly crunched the numbers, but if the math is correct, it's not a pipe dream!

3.9 million is the expected delivery so I don't see why we can't reach it tbh