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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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  • #7802
    PatrickDoherty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 190 ✭✭PatrickDoherty


    Having seen both canals in Dublin today its utter madness beer gardens aren't open along with outdoor dining, thousands of people about socializing.


  • #7803
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,567 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Batattackrat wrote: »
    The thing is we wont be, its dark now at 9


    all our most venerable are vaccinated.

    All outddor activity should be opened.

    the thing is government and rte not reporting on utbreaks in schools, ever county local paper is

    I could link 1000 articles in local papers to do with outbreaks in schools

    https://www.rte.ie/news/regional/2021/0423/1211678-school-covid-testing/
    Is that not RTE reporting an Outbreak in a school?
    Yes most pf our vulnerable are vaccinated, we still had 109 people 75+ test positive for covid and 40 hospitalized in the past 2 weeks. So the vulnerable are not entirely protected until we all are. I don't mean we never reopen, but rushing to do it is reckless. One small misstep and we're back up **** creek.

    You've gone from open with level 2, to level 3 and now it's just outdoor activity?
    Can you be consistent at least?


  • #7804
    quokula
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,827 ✭✭✭quokula


    Iused2likebusts wrote: »
    Great to see people back out enjoying themselves .Remember back in the Winter the national outrage because about 20 people were drinking takeaway pints on South William Street.

    I do remember that. And I remember people similar to yourself saying how great it was and calling for everything to be opened. And I remember the government succumbing to that public opinion and opening too much for Christmas against the advice of experts. And I remember the thousands of grieving families as a result of that and the inevitable prolonged severe lockdown that was required to recover.

    Why on earth would we want to make the same mistakes again? We’re so close to the finish line now, it would be foolish to throw away all the progress that’s been made.


  • #7805
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    quokula wrote: »
    I do remember that. And I remember people similar to yourself saying how great it was and calling for everything to be opened. And I remember the government succumbing to that public opinion and opening too much for Christmas against the advice of experts. And I remember the thousands of grieving families as a result of that and the inevitable prolonged severe lockdown that was required to recover.

    Why on earth would we want to make the same mistakes again? We’re so close to the finish line now, it would be foolish to throw away all the progress that’s been made.

    Most of the cohort that would have died have been vaccinated - looking back without making adjustments in landscape would lead to never ending lockdown ..

    Fact is we are probably 2 months behind U.K. which gives us a opportunity to observe how their stage gate approach works - and potentially accelerate ours based on their outcomes


  • #7806
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    Most of the cohort that would have died have been vaccinated

    Cohort 7 hasn't started and that's 350k people. They're due to get their first dose in early May.

    No EU country is yet in a position to open widely. The seasonality thing is overblown or to soon. France has around 6k people in ICU, which scaled to our pop is around 450.

    England is resuming indoor dining on 17 May, over three months after they hit our current vaccination levels.

    Realistically I can't see much indoor stuff happening here until July, and that's assuming NIAC don't make a balls of J+J.


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  • #7807
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Chst but things are grim in India.

    Report from a doctor on the front lines.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-23/covid-patients-dying-on-the-roads-outside-hospitals-in-india-due-to-lack-of-oxygen-and-beds-doctor-says?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

    Can't but feel sorry for the people there atm.


  • #7808
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    Lumen wrote: »
    Cohort 7 hasn't started and that's 350k people. They're due to get their first dose in early May.

    No EU country is yet in a position to open widely. The seasonality thing is overblown or to soon. France has around 6k people in ICU, which scaled to our pop is around 450.

    England is resuming indoor dining on 17 May, over three months after they hit our current vaccination levels.

    Realistically I can't see much indoor stuff happening here until July, and that's assuming NIAC don't make a balls of J+J.

    I haven’t said we should open widely - merely stated we can’t keep referencing Christmas - landscape has changed-

    My opinion is gradual opening closing following data from U.K. and accelerate where appropriate


  • #7809
    Lumen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,477 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    I haven’t said we should open widely - merely stated we can’t keep referencing Christmas - landscape has changed-

    My opinion is gradual opening closing following data from U.K. and accelerate where appropriate

    I realise that this is a particularly aggressive thread, but just because I'm quoting your post doesn't mean I'm disagreeing with all of it. It's just a continuation of the conversation.


  • #7810
    arccosh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭arccosh


    all of these suggestions of partaking in fun activities should be suppressed immediately


  • #7811
    Happydays2020
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭Happydays2020


    gozunda wrote: »
    Chst but things are grim in India.

    Report from a doctor on the front lines.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-23/covid-patients-dying-on-the-roads-outside-hospitals-in-india-due-to-lack-of-oxygen-and-beds-doctor-says?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

    Can't but feel sorry for the people there atm.

    Complete Government failure.


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  • #7812
    Vicxas
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,629 ✭✭✭✭Vicxas


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Complete Government failure.

    Agreed, they were warned back in September that this was a false dawn and they did the bare minimum to prepare.


  • #7813
    GeorgeBailey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,187 ✭✭✭GeorgeBailey


    Great to see the Gards tweeting about how they'll be patrolling outdoor beauty spots this sunny weekend. Good to know that the best way of avoiding them would be to meet people indoors.


  • #7814
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,422 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    arccosh wrote: »
    all of these suggestions of partaking in fun activities should be suppressed immediately

    This post was sponsored by smug retirees with mortgage paid off and nothing better to do than lazing in their gardens, and contently watching the rest of us with career/life ambitions suffer.


  • #7815
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Complete Government failure.

    Maybe so. Though looks like many people thought the worst was over and dropped their guard as well.


  • #7816
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,222 ✭✭✭prunudo


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    Great to see the Gards tweeting about how they'll be patrolling outdoor beauty spots this sunny weekend. Good to know that the best way of avoiding them would be to meet people indoors.

    To be fair any of their posts I've seen are referencing bad parking, asking for people to be considerate and not block gates or narrow roads.


  • #7817
    Golfman64
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    GeorgeBailey wrote: »
    Great to see the Gards tweeting about how they'll be patrolling outdoor beauty spots this sunny weekend. Good to know that the best way of avoiding them would be to meet people indoors.

    Meanwhile in the U.S., I’m watching large crowds at a professional golf tournament, life rapidly returning to a relative normal and Covid nowhere near the headlines. But let’s continue to ensure we drag ourselves further into the abyss pulling out of hosting duties for the European championships, maybe opening hospitality in July, restricting any inbound tourism for the foreseeable and allow the media to focus on last Thursday’s ‘spike’ in cases. Lol. Christ we are some little country.


  • #7818
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    gozunda wrote: »
    Chst but things are grim in India.

    Report from a doctor on the front lines.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-23/covid-patients-dying-on-the-roads-outside-hospitals-in-india-due-to-lack-of-oxygen-and-beds-doctor-says?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

    Can't but feel sorry for the people there atm.

    And be grateful that the worst that most are having to suffer here is nowhere near this kind of apocalyptic catastrophe.


  • #7819
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    gozunda wrote: »
    Chst but things are grim in India.

    Report from a doctor on the front lines.

    https://www.itv.com/news/2021-04-23/covid-patients-dying-on-the-roads-outside-hospitals-in-india-due-to-lack-of-oxygen-and-beds-doctor-says?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

    Can't but feel sorry for the people there atm.

    The images are harrowing.

    There’s meant to be oxygen generating machines being flown in from Germany. That still won’t change the fact that there’s never going to be enough beds. They’re even making trains into makeshift hospitals.


  • #7820
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,857 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    quokula wrote: »
    I do remember that. And I remember people similar to yourself saying how great it was and calling for everything to be opened. And I remember the government succumbing to that public opinion and opening too much for Christmas against the advice of experts. And I remember the thousands of grieving families as a result of that and the inevitable prolonged severe lockdown that was required to recover.

    Why on earth would we want to make the same mistakes again? We’re so close to the finish line now, it would be foolish to throw away all the progress that’s been made.

    Correct.
    If we were to allow people ring a shop, order something and drive in and collect it we would be right back where we were in January again, or let people travel outside their county or meet their families in a different county.

    Where do people get the idea that its either December or nothing?


  • #7821
    firemansam4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Meanwhile in the U.S., I’m watching large crowds at a professional golf tournament, life rapidly returning to a relative normal and Covid nowhere near the headlines. But let’s continue to ensure we drag ourselves further into the abyss pulling out of hosting duties for the European championships, maybe opening hospitality in July, restricting any inbound tourism for the foreseeable and allow the media to focus on last Thursday’s ‘spike’ in cases. Lol. Christ we are some little country.

    Yes we are some little country, majority of people in favour of keeping up restrictions to help save many lives.

    Shame there were a selfish few over the Christmas period who didnt care and maybe helped contribute to many deaths due to the virus.

    Comparing us to the US and the UK who are way more advanced in their vaccinations is pointless IMO.


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  • #7822
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,857 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    PatrickDoherty wrote: »
    Having seen both canals in Dublin today its utter madness beer gardens aren't open along with outdoor dining, thousands of people about socializing.

    Crazy.
    Myself and another 7 or 8 met yesterday evening on the Clontarf seafront for pints. Was lovely, but a pain in the hole having to go across to the pub to get the rounds in.
    They were doing a great trade which is nice to see.


  • #7823
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,857 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    firemansam4 wrote: »
    Yes we are some little country, majority of people in favour of keeping up restrictions to help save many lives.

    Shame there were a selfish few over the Christmas period who didnt care and maybe helped contribute to many deaths due to the virus.

    Comparing us to the US and the UK who are way more advanced in their vaccinations is pointless IMO.

    Rubbish.


  • #7824
    firemansam4
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭firemansam4


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Rubbish.

    Care to elaborate instead of just replying "Rubbish"

    So you don't think people breaking restrictions over the Christmas period contributed to the spike in cases after it?


  • #7825
    Iused2likebusts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,022 ✭✭✭✭Iused2likebusts


    robbiezero wrote: »
    Correct.
    If we were to allow people ring a shop, order something and drive in and collect it we would be right back where we were in January again, or let people travel outside their county or meet their families in a different county.

    Where do people get the idea that its either December or nothing?

    Or let kids play sport properly that would send us over the edge.


  • #7826
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    Was just in Tesco. I can buy a ****ing Avengers costume for a 12 year old but not a t- shirt for myself. But at least we're holding firm.


  • #7827
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,857 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    firemansam4 wrote: »
    Care to elaborate instead of just replying "Rubbish"

    So you don't think people breaking restrictions over the Christmas period contributed to the spike in cases after it?

    I think people obeying restrictions probably contributed more to the spike.
    Don't forget what was allowed in December.


  • #7828
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    I double checked to see if this Irish Times article was from last July or August, but no, it was yesterday, and it says 2021.

    "Mr Martin was being interviewed as part of a series on reimagining Ireland and it was put to him that what many people wanted was a return to normality.

    “To have a pint”, Mr Martin said adding: “Won’t it be wonderful”.

    He was asked if he could see himself, by the end of 2021, attending a championship match and having a pint on the way home or attending a wedding.

    Mr Martin said: “At the end of 2021 I can”.

    He said: “There will be a bit of nervousness around the autumn and winter period because I do believe there’s a seasonality attached to this virus.

    “I think we need to just tread with a bit of caution through the winter, but I do think we can open up over time. And I think we need to do it cautiously to be frank    .”

    Caution through the winter. And we're only in April. Christ!


  • #7829
    Normal One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭Normal One


    Depressing


  • #7830
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,830 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    Normal One wrote: »
    Was just in Tesco. I can buy a ****ing Avengers costume for a 12 year old but not a t- shirt for myself. But at least we're holding firm.

    Just buy an Avengers costume for yourself.
    You know you want to and you'll never again have a better excuse! :D


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  • #7831
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    He was asked if he could see himself, by the end of 2021, attending a championship match and having a pint on the way home or attending a wedding.

    Mr Martin said: “At the end of 2021 I can”.

    He said: “There will be a bit of nervousness around the autumn and winter period because I do believe there’s a seasonality attached to this virus.

    “I think we need to just tread with a bit of caution through the winter, but I do think we can open up over time. And I think we need to do it cautiously to be frank[/I].”

    So keep people locked up all year and only let them out in the darkest and coldest months.

    What an insipid creature that man is.


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