Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

Jim_Hodge

JP100 wrote: »

What are you talking about, the HSE figures show that we've gone from being one of the best in the EU in terms of the vaccine rollout to being well down that list now. That is common knowledge and the HSE figures back up what I'm saying, so thank you for highlighting that. Our vaccine rollout programme has been painfully slow and that's just become more and more apparent with every passing week.

Would you give over? I did not back up 'your' figures.

Get off your hobby horse and stop banging the same old drum all day.

MrMusician18

stephenjmcd wrote: »

That's nothing compared to Grand Canal Dock. Great to see

People in their own groups, being respectful of others etc

I hope they all clean up after themselves.

Wolf359f

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

From the former tabloid hack, turned lobbyist, who had a controversial end to his involvement with FG?

I'll stick to the HSE figures thanks.

Batattackrat wrote: »

You have to take our population into account which I'm not sure you getting.

Countries like Germany has a population of 83 million and as a result have a much higher level of vunerable people who need it more than we do.

I'd be happy if our vacination numbers dropped if more people over 75 or with underlying illness get it in another country, especially in Covid ridden areas.

We are getting our vacinnes and a gradual reopen plan is been announced next week. Calm down

The figures are based on a pro rata vaccine distribution from the EU and presented in doses administrated per 100 people. Population difference is ruled out by those 2 metrics.

The chart figures are taken from the Covid Dashboard, which is taken from the HSE.

That's the last 7 days data we have for Ireland compared to the EU average, it's easier to see the difference.

Sephiroth_dude

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Ficheall

Ficheall wrote: »

He has been outraged for quite some time, and reminds us regularly.

We’ve been locked down for 7 months now with a short break for Christmas...

It’s a shame not more are outraged.

JP100

Batattackrat wrote: »

You have to take our population into account which I'm not sure you getting.

Countries like Germany has a population of 83 million and as a result have a much higher level of vunerable people who need it more than we do.

I'd be happy if our vacination numbers dropped if more people over 75 or with underlying illness get it in another country, especially in Covid ridden areas.

All people are hearing at every turn in this country is excuses, excuses. Excuses for having pretty much the longest running lockdown in Europe, daily excuses around shortcomings in the vaccine rollout programme, excuses for NIAC procrastination around vaccine prioritisation (first with AZ when other countries had long since moved on it and now with J and J), excuses for Ireland being the only host country in Europe unable to host a Euro match over the Summer. And on and on it goes, excuses for everything at every turn. With Ireland regularly been presented as being the ones in step on each occasion and all these other countries being presented as the ones being out of step each time!

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We’ve been locked down for 7 months now with a short break for Christmas...

It’s a shame not more are outraged.

Its actually great to that so many Irish arent outraged and understand why there has been a lockdown.

BlondeBomb

As of 8pm

164 in hospital, down from 166 this morning (8am)

48 in ICU

marno21

The South/Southwest Hospital Group has 5 hospitals providing to 900,000 people

Tonight, these 5 hospitals have 6 Covid patients and 1 ICU patient. Less than 1 patient per 100k people. 1 per 900k in ICU

The 2 Cork hospitals have 3 hospital patients and 0 in ICU.

Great to see but baffling the level of restrictions in the region with the hospitals basically empty.

Jim_Hodge

marno21 wrote: »

The South/Southwest Hospital Group has 5 hospitals providing to 900,000 people

Tonight, these 5 hospitals have 6 Covid patients and 1 ICU patient. Less than 1 patient per 100k people. 1 per 900k in ICU

The 2 Cork hospitals have 3 hospital patients and 0 in ICU.

Great to see but baffling the level of restrictions in the region with the hospitals basically empty.

Why are the hospitals so quiet right now?

Think about it.

Out in North county Dublin tonight and everywhere packed out. Big change from last summer/spring, used to only see gangs of teens and 20-30s out drinking but I’d say over half tonight were 40/50s etc. Good to see people restart living their lives again.

Outdoor dining and drinking is happening everywhere. The thing is it’s happening on beaches, by canals, on parks, steps, streets. Why not normalise it and retain an element of control in the drinking by allowing outdoor pubs and restaurants operate. It seems so counter productive at this stage. A progressive step would be to accept it’s happening and start to reopen. Sticking our fingers in our ears and saying lalalala won’t cut it as a response any more.

I’m sure someone will be along to tell me about the risk. But when did we need an advisory group or a Taoiseach to tell us what is risky or not?

Widdensushi

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Why are the hospitals so quiet right now?

Think about it.

Obviously, but surely there should be a balance, the cure is worse than the disease at the moment, we were told that the restrictions were to stop the hospitals becoming overrun, one serious rta would put more in hospital in the south west at the moment.

Cork2021

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Why are the hospitals so quiet right now?

Think about it.

It’s about covid numbers! If you look at all of Munster, 16 in hospitals across Munster of which 6 are in ICU, covid cases today 94! With a population of 1.3 million people

Iused2likebusts

Great to see people back out enjoying themselves .Remember back in the Winter the national outrage because about 20 people were drinking takeaway pints on South William Street.

giveitholly

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

Why are the hospitals so quiet right now?

Think about it.

And full cancer screening services not returning until December. Surely these hospitals should be back to normal,in that all other health services should be running at pre covid levels

KaneToad

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Great to see people back out enjoying themselves .Remember back in the Winter the national outrage because about 20 people were drinking takeaway pints on South William Street.

Remember back in December/January when cases rocketed.

Martina1991

giveitholly wrote: »

And full cancer screening services not returning until December. Surely these hospitals should be back to normal,in that all other health services should be running at pre covid levels

Hospitals are back to normal. Theres just relatively few covid cases in hospital right now.

Hospitals are far from empty.

giveitholly

Martina1991 wrote: »

Hospitals are back to normal. Theres just relatively few covid cases in hospital right now.

Hospitals are far from empty.

So why will cancer services not return to 100% until December
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cancer-services-will-not-fully-resume-until-year-end-under-hse-s-pandemic-plan-1.4517265

Dickie10

i think we may as well get the over 60s vaxxed now were that close then open pubs

pjohnson

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I’ve yet to find a single person that understands why we are the only country in the world that imposed travel restrictions on its citizens for 7 months and counting. (Apart from 8 days over Christmas)

Well its been explained multiple times to you but that doesn't suit.

Martina1991

giveitholly wrote: »

So why will cancer services not return to 100% until December
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/cancer-services-will-not-fully-resume-until-year-end-under-hse-s-pandemic-plan-1.4517265

I don't know, you'd have to ask Paul Reid!

I'm just saying, just because the number of people with covid in hospitals is falling, doesn't mean hospitals are empty or quiet.

giveitholly

Martina1991 wrote: »

I don't know, you'd have to ask Paul Reid!

I'm just saying, just because the number of people with covid in hospitals is falling, doesn't mean hospitals are empty or quiet.

That's good to hear that hospitals are nearly back to normal

Batattackrat

Is 200 people in hospital justifiable for 4,900,000 people living in level 5 restrictions. Sorry but its not.

Level 2 should suffice now since we can socialize outdoors.

4,000 hospitalized with the 2018 flu.

Bit cynical

The problem with heavy restrictions for so long is that there's an overreaction when they are lifted as people, understandably, go about doing the things they have been postponing. The rising case numbers then lead to reimposition of those restrictions. In this way restrictions lead to more restrictions.

Batattackrat

Bit cynical wrote: »

The problem with heavy restrictions for so long is that there's an overreaction when they are lifted and people, understandably, go about doing the things they have been postponing. The rising case numbers then lead to reimposition of those restrictions. In this way restrictions lead to more restrictions.

But the most vulnerable have been vaccinated now so its different.

Not saying to get rid of restrictions till more are vaccinated, but level 2 to 3 should be in now.

Wolf359f

Batattackrat wrote: »

Is 200 people in hospital justifiable for 4,900,000 people living in level 5 restrictions. Sorry but its not.

Level 2 should suffice now since we can socialize outdoors.

4,000 hospitalized with the 2018 flu.

Nearly 14,000 hospitalized with Covid in a little over 12 months, 4.5k dead.
Hows that 2018 flu compare?

Level 2 includes socialising indoors!

Even the UK with a lot more vaccinated, and a lower incidence rate isn't that stupid to just open up that much that fast. You would be basically blowing it at the last hurdle.

Unless you want level 2 for a few weeks and then hospitals fill up with younger patients (not as many will die) but effectively we're back in lockdown again to save hospitals.

Batattackrat

Wolf359f wrote: »

Nearly 14,000 hospitalized with Covid in a little over 12 months, 4.5k dead.
Hows that 2018 flu compare?

Level 2 includes socialising indoors!

Even the UK with a lot more vaccinated, and a lower incidence rate isn't that stupid to just open up that much that fast. You would be basically blowing it at the last hurdle.

Unless you want level 2 for a few weeks and then hospitals fill up with younger patients (not as many will die) but effectively we're back in lockdown again to save hospitals.

What is the average age of death from Covid in Ireland and how many had underlying conditions?

Why are the schools open if its that much threat to younger people and their parents.

Wolf359f

Batattackrat wrote: »

What is the average age of death from Covid in Ireland and how many had underlying conditions?

Why are the schools open if its that much threat to younger people and their parents.

Doesn't really answer my question though!

Average age, I don't really think that factors into most rational people's equations.
All lives are worth something. You can see across the globe, countries who may have dismissed Covid as just a flu or didn't want to impose a lockdown have lost a higher proportion on young people than those that did.
A lockdown does not just protect life from Covid infections and deaths, but helps keep a functioning health service running.

I think anyone with children know how important schools and education are for kids. Maybe, just maybe a kids education (and everything that en-tales, socialization, development etc...) is more important than me having a pint in the pub?

Batattackrat

Wolf359f wrote: »

Doesn't really answer my question though!

Average age, I don't really think that factors into most rational people's equations.
All lives are worth something. You can see across the globe, countries who may have dismissed Covid as just a flu or didn't want to impose a lockdown have lost a higher proportion on young people than those that did.
A lockdown does not just protect life from Covid infections and deaths, but helps keep a functioning health service running.

I think anyone with children know how important schools and education are for kids. Maybe, just maybe a kids education (and everything that en-tales, socialization, development etc...) is more important than me having a pint in the pub?

Its not just a pint in the pub, its peoples businesses and livelihoods are getting destroyed and who is going to pay for all this when its over. We were already in a housing crisis before this started and now we have delayed cancer screening. I don't even what to think of the aftermath of this.

A functioning health service? Are you taking the piss? Its going be 100 times worse than cervical scandal.

ps: I'm actually loving the debate with you, a great poster.

AdamD

Wolf359f wrote: »

Doesn't really answer my question though!

Average age, I don't really think that factors into most rational people's equations.
All lives are worth something. You can see across the globe, countries who may have dismissed Covid as just a flu or didn't want to impose a lockdown have lost a higher proportion on young people than those that did.
A lockdown does not just protect life from Covid infections and deaths, but helps keep a functioning health service running.

I think anyone with children know how important schools and education are for kids. Maybe, just maybe a kids education (and everything that en-tales, socialization, development etc...) is more important than me having a pint in the pub?

If the average age doesn't factor into the equation, its not a rational equation. If the average age of death was 40 we'd be looking at this very very differently