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Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Kevint30


    Was there an underlying health reason that she received her vaccine aged 35? Scary that there were 6 other people there with the same problem...were they all female?

    She is a health care worker. Never had issues. She rang her doc this morning, he said it's very suspicious. He advised her to think very carefully before accepting 2nd dose. 5 female 1 male


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 570 ✭✭✭acer911




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    acer911 wrote: »
    How do you get 14k? Is it not 8.3k?


    It was revised up, the previous day's numbers had changed in the reporting.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭1huge1


    acer911 wrote: »
    How do you get 14k? Is it not 8.3k?

    Yes, looks like you are right, they revised up the figure from Sunday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,600 ✭✭✭crossman47


    Kevint30 wrote: »
    She is a health care worker. Never had issues. She rang her doc this morning, he said it's very suspicious. He advised her to think very carefully before accepting 2nd dose. 5 female 1 male

    That doc doesn't appear to be as clued in as he should be. Many posters above made the point DVT is not the issue with AZ at all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    1huge1 wrote: »
    Yes, looks like you are right, they revised up the figure from Sunday.

    See this is going to be the problem with looking at daily numbers. The data is never final, at least when it was a 3 day delay there wasn't much changing going on day to day. Now what we have with the shorter gap is daily numbers changing all the time due to data not being uploaded in time, be it from the GP or the MVC, whatever it may be and numbers changing in the days that follow.

    All that matters at this stage is the weekly number in my opinion, it gives a better picture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 Deathofcool


    My early optimism in the vaccine roll out is definitely starting to wane. Even taking out the AZ shortfall announcement we have close to 350k vaccines currently in fridges according to the Belgian delivery numbers. We are also due a big delivery of Pfizer early this week. Yes some are required for second doses such as Moderna but we are now clearly in a position where we are not administering supply in the week that we get it or anywhere close. It looks like we will substantially miss our April target and It would be great if some journalists could ask the relevant questions as to why.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,421 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Kevint30 wrote: »
    She is a health care worker. Never had issues. She rang her doc this morning, he said it's very suspicious. He advised her to think very carefully before accepting 2nd dose. 5 female 1 male

    Why is your OH's doctor advising her against a vaccine that has no link to DVT, when she has been diagnosed with DVT?

    Something doesn't add up here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,065 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    See this is going to be the problem with looking at daily numbers. The data is never final...


    ..All that matters at this stage is the weekly number in my opinion, it gives a better picture.


    It's exciting. We know this now with regards to the case numbers, and now we're applying it to the vaccine numbers :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,439 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Lumen wrote: »
    I know this isn't a very popular opinion, but nurses can be absolute morons the same as anyone else.

    Brings back memories of the Savita Halappanavar case:
    “It’s a Catholic thing and we won’t be able to help you.”

    Though that was more oxymoronic.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    If I read that correctly, the vaccine was given in February, but dvt has been found now. I understood that the many if not all observed clots occurred, within 5-10 days of jab, plus treatment is different when platelet check required (different thinning med if I recall). I hope she is on the mend. Scary of course and concern for your loved one


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    It was said at the health committee earlier this afternoon. HSE said AZ informed them in the last 48hrs.

    165k due in on the 3rd now


    You'd almost have sympathy for the HSE, The regulators only allowed AZ be used for over 60s, so they registered the 0ver 65s and now AZ won't supply enough to do these in any sort of rapid way. If they allocate any of the additional Pfizer next week to this group then they'll may end eventually with AZ and nobody to give it to. But there would be poor optics if they opened the 55-60 cohort before there has been a reasonable effort at the over 60s, so who do they use the additional Pfizer for?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭sd1999


    You'd almost have sympathy for the HSE, The regulators only allowed AZ be used for over 60s, so they registered the 0ver 65s and now AZ won't supply enough to do these in any sort of rapid way. If they allocate any of the additional Pfizer next week to this group then they'll may end eventually with AZ and nobody to give it to. But there would be poor optics if they opened the 55-60 cohort before there has been a reasonable effort at the over 60s, so who do they use the additional Pfizer for?

    Give it to cohorts 4 and 7 as planned?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    My early optimism in the vaccine roll out is definitely starting to wane. Even taking out the AZ shortfall announcement we have close to 350k vaccines currently in fridges according to the Belgian delivery numbers. We are also due a big delivery of Pfizer early this week. Yes some are required for second doses such as Moderna but we are now clearly in a position where we are not administering supply in the week that we get it or anywhere close. It looks like we will substantially miss our April target and It would be great if some journalists could ask the relevant questions as to why.
    Just be careful going off the Belgium figures as they include estimated deliveries. The AZ shortfall we got/getting is not factored into the Belgium figures. Either they didn't get a reduced delivery or it's not updated with the reduction.
    Also assuming Belgium didn't opt for more of one vaccine when one country didn't take up their full allotment.

    But certainly going by the table of EU countries, we were in the top 6 a while ago and seem to be dropping down to the bottom 6. Certainly behind the EU average.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    My early optimism in the vaccine roll out is definitely starting to wane. Even taking out the AZ shortfall announcement we have close to 350k vaccines currently in fridges according to the Belgian delivery numbers. We are also due a big delivery of Pfizer early this week. Yes some are required for second doses such as Moderna but we are now clearly in a position where we are not administering supply in the week that we get it or anywhere close. It looks like we will substantially miss our April target and It would be great if some journalists could ask the relevant questions as to why.

    The HSE love the vaccine shortages as it hides their incompetence.

    My wife is a registered nurse with a post grad degree in oncology. She hasn’t gone back after maternity leave but offered to join the vaccination team. The HSE use cpl for hiring, the wanted to validate her leaving cert results, the parchment from trinity with her nursing degree or the parchment from ucd with her post graduate degree or a reference from the director of nursing wasn’t sufficient. Honestly you could make up how incompetent they are.

    Then we have the beacon vaccination centre closed. That has the capacity to deliver more than 1000 jabs a day, I don’t condone their previous actions, but it’s a pandemic we need them delivering those shots.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,554 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    astrofool wrote: »
    Brings back memories of the Savita Halappanavar case:
    “It’s a Catholic thing and we won’t be able to help you.”

    Though that was more oxymoronic.

    Nurses aren't experts in medicine. It shouldn't be expected that they know the exact pathology of DVT and whether or not application of a drug/vaccine would be contributing to it.

    A lot of people will give their opinions higher weight because they work in the area (understandable), but their knowledge and their regular work is very different from understanding vaccine mechanisms and disease pathology.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭Chuck Noland


    My early optimism in the vaccine roll out is definitely starting to wane. Even taking out the AZ shortfall announcement we have close to 350k vaccines currently in fridges according to the Belgian delivery numbers. We are also due a big delivery of Pfizer early this week. Yes some are required for second doses such as Moderna but we are now clearly in a position where we are not administering supply in the week that we get it or anywhere close. It looks like we will substantially miss our April target and It would be great if some journalists could ask the relevant questions as to why.

    Yes the faith in the rollout across the board from everyone is waining. Supply issues etc aside we have large volumes of vaccines in storage rather then in arms and the numbers administered at weekends are terrible. Talks of just using up left over vaccines is just spin and trying to save face. Were along way off the 250,000 per week we were told we could do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    The HSE love the vaccine shortages as it hides their incompetence.

    My wife is a registered nurse with a post grad degree in oncology. She hasn’t gone back after maternity leave but offered to join the vaccination team. The HSE use cpl for hiring, the wanted to validate her leaving cert results, the parchment from trinity with her nursing degree or the parchment from ucd with her post graduate degree or a reference from the director of nursing wasn’t sufficient. Honestly you could make up how incompetent they are.

    Then we have the beacon vaccination centre closed. That has the capacity to deliver more than 1000 jabs a day, I don’t condone their previous actions, but it’s a pandemic we need them delivering those shots.

    Asking for leaving cert results is nothing to do with the HSE or CPL to be fair to them. They're required by law to ask for them, only government can change that.

    It's been said before nobody cares less how they did in the leaving cert, its silly that it's even looked for. Should the law be changed, yup it should. Would be be changed in time before the recruitment process ends, probably not so won't make the slightest difference.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,439 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    The HSE love the vaccine shortages as it hides their incompetence.

    My wife is a registered nurse with a post grad degree in oncology. She hasn’t gone back after maternity leave but offered to join the vaccination team. The HSE use cpl for hiring, the wanted to validate her leaving cert results, the parchment from trinity with her nursing degree or the parchment from ucd with her post graduate degree or a reference from the director of nursing wasn’t sufficient. Honestly you could make up how incompetent they are.

    Then we have the beacon vaccination centre closed. That has the capacity to deliver more than 1000 jabs a day, I don’t condone their previous actions, but it’s a pandemic we need them delivering those shots.

    Your wife, as a registered nurse, will know that a lot of public service positions will require a leaving certificate as part of their qualifications even if they have many years of experience or further degrees, diplomas and certificates that show they can do the job.

    Presuming your wife is a private nurse?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Yes the faith in the rollout across the board from everyone is waining. Supply issues etc aside we have large volumes of vaccines in storage rather then in arms and the numbers administered at weekends are terrible. Talks of just using up left over vaccines is just spin and trying to save face. Were along way off the 250,000 per week we were told we could do.

    Yet rewind the thread two weeks and you'll see the same people defending the rollout and deflecting all genuine criticisms towards the "supply issue".


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,439 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Yes the faith in the rollout across the board from everyone is waining. Supply issues etc aside we have large volumes of vaccines in storage rather then in arms and the numbers administered at weekends are terrible. Talks of just using up left over vaccines is just spin and trying to save face. Were along way off the 250,000 per week we were told we could do.

    We're still getting 95% of available vaccines into arms week on week, those in storage are either second shots or held up due to other issues (various AstraZeneca debacles and now J&J on pause).

    If you want to be fair it's worth checking on how Pfizer rollout is going to get an idea of the efficiency of the rollout for the parts we control.

    edit: or, how should I put it, it's Wednesday and the daily numbers haven't been released and the loonies are out seething and throwing temper tantrums about being in a pandemic and there's no urgency. This subsides by Saturday/Sunday and another week and cycle begins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    astrofool wrote: »
    Your wife, as a registered nurse, will know that a lot of public service positions will require a leaving certificate as part of their qualifications even if they have many years of experience or further degrees, diplomas and certificates that show they can do the job.

    Presuming your wife is a private nurse?

    Sounds like you are justifying this nonsense. It’s unnecessary bureaucracy that’s slowing things down. If you are registered and have an active registration with an bord altranais then all these things have been checked already. A nurse with 10 years experience shouldn’t be delayed helping out as she has to root out and verify leaving cert results.

    No urgency or common sense shown by the HSE.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 466 ✭✭Probes


    astrofool wrote: »
    We're still getting 95% of available vaccines into arms week on week, those in storage are either second shots or held up due to other issues (various AstraZeneca debacles and now J&J on pause).

    If you want to be fair it's worth checking on how Pfizer rollout is going to get an idea of the efficiency of the rollout for the parts we control.

    edit: or, how should I put it, it's Wednesday and the daily numbers haven't been released and the loonies are out seething and throwing temper tantrums about being in a pandemic and there's no urgency. This subsides by Saturday/Sunday and another week and cycle begins.

    We seem to be lagging behind now https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&pickerSort=desc&pickerMetric=population&Metric=People+vaccinated&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=FRA~DEU~IRL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,457 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    Valhallapt wrote: »
    Sounds like you are justifying this nonsense. It’s unnecessary bureaucracy that’s slowing things down. If you are registered and have an active registration with an bord altranais then all these things have been checked already. A nurse with 10 years experience shouldn’t be delayed helping out as she has to root out and verify leaving cert results.

    No urgency or common sense shown by the HSE.


    Any registered medical professional should be declared qualified for the job, anything else is a waste of time.

    When the HSE get agency nurses do they ask them for their leaving cert every time or is their registration enough?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭1huge1


    My Dad (67) immunocompromised (takes Humira for his arthritis) got the Pfizer vaccine from his GP this morning, I'm delighted (after originally having his MVC appointment a week and a half ago cancelled).


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,243 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Do we have accurate numbers of vaccine in storage?

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭JPup


    You'd almost have sympathy for the HSE, The regulators only allowed AZ be used for over 60s, so they registered the 0ver 65s and now AZ won't supply enough to do these in any sort of rapid way. If they allocate any of the additional Pfizer next week to this group then they'll may end eventually with AZ and nobody to give it to. But there would be poor optics if they opened the 55-60 cohort before there has been a reasonable effort at the over 60s, so who do they use the additional Pfizer for?

    I suspect J&J will be back in use soon at a minimum for the over 60s. So that will take some pressure off. Maybe the 60-69 group will get a mix of AZ and J&J.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 668 ✭✭✭Pablo Escobar


    JPup wrote: »
    I suspect J&J will be back in use soon at a minimum for the over 60s. So that will take some pressure off. Maybe the 60-69 group will get a mix of AZ and J&J.

    Would that not be just wasting the AZ shot? Surely, the J&J would be give as 1st and only doses?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭1huge1


    Would that not be just wasting the AZ shot? Surely, the J&J would be give as 1st and only doses?

    I assume he means that the age cohort of 60-69 as a whole will get a mixture of the two, not individual people.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 993 ✭✭✭JPup


    It depends on how widely an age bracket the J&J is authorised for. If it is also over 60s then no.

    But the astrazeneca vaccines won't go to waste in any case. Would go to Covax I assume.


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