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Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭IRISHSPORTSGUY


    It was said at the health committee earlier this afternoon. HSE said AZ informed them in the last 48hrs.

    165k due in on the 3rd now

    It's always jam tomorrow with AZ. We'll probably only get half of that figure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    It's always jam tomorrow with AZ. We'll probably only get half of that figure.

    It's always backloaded it appears. Same end of March early days of April is happening again end of April early days of May


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    They have to know more than a few days that they're not going to make their expected delivery. The notice period is crap.

    The way things are going we'll be needing all J&J to cover all potential AZ recipients.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Kevint30


    Wife 35, received first dose of AZ in February, diagnosed with DVT in leg in UHL tonight. 6 other people in with similar issues (speaking to eachother in acute medical unit) all took AZ in February. Surely not a coincidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,411 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Kevint30 wrote: »
    Wife 35, received first dose of AZ in February, diagnosed with DVT in leg in UHL tonight. 6 other people in with similar issues (speaking to eachother in acute medical unit) all took AZ in February. Surely not a coincidence.

    That's a big gap in time though. Can it start causing side effects two months after being administered?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,870 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    Kevint30 wrote: »
    Wife 35, received first dose of AZ in February, diagnosed with DVT in leg in UHL tonight. 6 other people in with similar issues (speaking to eachother in acute medical unit) all took AZ in February. Surely not a coincidence.


    Too long a gap, don't think that's anything too do with AZ.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Kevint30


    Too long a gap, don't think that's anything too do with AZ.

    I hope not, just find it very peculiar that others she spoke with were having the same issue. 23rd of Feb was her 1st jab.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Kevint30


    Strazdas wrote: »
    That's a big gap in time though. Can it start causing side effects two months after being administered?

    I've no idea


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,439 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Kevint30 wrote: »
    I hope not, just find it very peculiar that others she spoke with were having the same issue. 23rd of Feb was her 1st jab.

    Also not associated with DVT, it's a rarer kind of blood clot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Kevint30 wrote: »
    Wife 35, received first dose of AZ in February, diagnosed with DVT in leg in UHL tonight. 6 other people in with similar issues (speaking to eachother in acute medical unit) all took AZ in February. Surely not a coincidence.

    Jeez, that's awful! Ye must be in bits with that news!

    As for the potential link to AZ, Thrombosis Ireland issued a statement a week ago to say that no evidence exists that DVTs are in any way associated with AZ. The type of clot within the purview of the current AZ scare (CVST with thrombocytopenia) is allegedly quite different from a DVT, which is sadly an all too common event.

    That said, if there is a cluster in UHL with similar AZ histories, I'm sure that will be assessed along with other potential causes. Thankfully, ye got her into hospital, and I'm sure treatmsnt can start immediately which is good news. I'd be inclined to look at other causes, rather than focusing on AZ, as the circumstances appear to be well outside the timeframe and clotting mechanisms involved in the vaccine studies.

    I'm sure also that they will have tested her for Covid, as sadly a Covid infection would also be a potential cause of DVT with the journal Thorax saying that it found the occurrence of DVTs among people with Covid as high as 11.2%...:eek:

    I wish her a speedy recovery, and stay safe yourself..

    https://thrombosis.ie/covid-19/

    https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/az-covid-19-vaccine-blood-clots-risks-explained/


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Kevint30 wrote: »
    Wife 35, received first dose of AZ in February, diagnosed with DVT in leg in UHL tonight. 6 other people in with similar issues (speaking to eachother in acute medical unit) all took AZ in February. Surely not a coincidence.

    Hope your wife's doing well.
    Impossible to know if it is a coincidence or not. AZ is currently not linked with DVT. It's possible as more and more people get vaccinated the people presenting into the various medical and surgical assessment units with various problems will have gotten a vaccine recently. Whether a vaccine was a contributory factor will be difficult to determine.

    Was it reported to the HPRA.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Kevint30


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Hope your wife's doing well.
    Impossible to know if it is a coincidence or not. AZ is currently not linked with DVT. It's possible as more and more people get vaccinated the people presenting into the various medical and surgical assessment units with various problems will have gotten a vaccine recently. Whether a vaccine was a contributory factor will be difficult to determine.

    Was it reported to the HPRA.

    She is literally just home, she's fine thanks. She got a blood thinning injection and Riudroxaban tabs to take. Appointment at DVT clinic Thursday morning. No idea if this was reported to the HPRA.

    Straight from the nurses mouth when she met my wife was "another one post vaccine"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Kevint30 wrote: »
    She is literally just home, she's fine thanks. She got a blood thinning injection and Riudroxaban tabs to take. Appointment at DVT clinic Thursday morning. No idea if this was reported to the HPRA.

    Straight from the nurses mouth when she met my wife was "another one post vaccine"

    Glad she's home and doing well! You'd better set the alarm, 'coz you'll be bringing her up the brekkie in the bed in the morning!! :D

    On a separate note, that nurse was totally out of order! Talk about a lack of professionalism! Sometimes I despair!
    :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 147 ✭✭Kevint30


    TomOnBoard wrote: »
    Jeez, that's awful! Ye must be in bits with that news!

    As for the potential link to AZ, Thrombosis Ireland issued a statement a week ago to say that no evidence exists that DVTs are in any way associated with AZ. The type of clot within the purview of the current AZ scare (CVST with thrombocytopenia) is allegedly quite different from a DVT, which is sadly an all too common event.

    That said, if there is a cluster in UHL with similar AZ histories, I'm sure that will be assessed along with other potential causes. Thankfully, ye got her into hospital, and I'm sure treatmsnt can start immediately which is good news. I'd be inclined to look at other causes, rather than focusing on AZ, as the circumstances appear to be well outside the timeframe and clotting mechanisms involved in the vaccine studies.

    I'm sure also that they will have tested her for Covid, as sadly a Covid infection would also be a potential cause of DVT with the journal Thorax saying that it found the occurrence of DVTs among people with Covid as high as 11.2%...:eek:

    I wish her a speedy recovery, and stay safe yourself..

    https://thrombosis.ie/covid-19/

    https://www.pharmaceutical-technology.com/features/az-covid-19-vaccine-blood-clots-risks-explained/

    Thanks for the information. She was not COVID tested today


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,411 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Can anyone remember what is the (supposed) Johnson & Johnson delivery schedule for April, May and June?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,285 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    Kevint30 wrote: »
    Straight from the nurses mouth when she met my wife was "another one post vaccine"
    I know this isn't a very popular opinion, but nurses can be absolute morons the same as anyone else.

    About 250k people were vaccinated in Feb. To take just one risk factor for VT, you'd expect a few cases in that group from users of oral contraceptives alone. And the risk of VT in the general population grows sharply with age, so if older people are being vaccinated there will be a number of cases arising purely from other causes.

    Also, given that the vaccines are not 100% effective, you'd expect VT cases from people vaccinated who'd subsequently had mild COVID, since even mild COVID has a significant thrombosis risk. That's one of the reasons we're vaccinating people!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    This seems like good news about India's Covaxin

    https://twitter.com/ICMRDELHI/status/1384762345314951173


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wadacrack wrote: »
    This seems like good news about India's Covaxin

    https://twitter.com/ICMRDELHI/status/1384762345314951173
    Good to see but the suggestion is that the double mutant was never more than a VUI unless you access certain elements of the media.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Turtwig wrote: »
    Brexit impacted the UK's access to Europe cases. They had plenty on their own soil that they simply didn't recognise despite being reported.

    Cases typically occur within two weeks after vaccination. It doesn't mean they are identified and reported then.

    This is like assuming all covid deaths in Ireland are reported on time. There is a delay in the reporting period from when the adverse event occurs, is formally identified and reported. Many, especially, at the outset, will be missed.

    Not too sure how Brexit impacted it to be honest - it may have, I don't know. The UK Yellow Card system updates other Medical authorities and vice versa - . Many in the community talk to each other ask and share knowledge and experiences as well as updates via medical bodies.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    What time approx will Mondays doses be released?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    What time approx will Mondays doses be released?

    There's no approx time. Some point during the morning probably


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,133 ✭✭✭TomOnBoard


    Not too sure how Brexit impacted it to be honest - it may have, I don't know. The UK Yellow Card system updates other Medical authorities and vice versa - . Many in the community talk to each other ask and share knowledge and experiences as well as updates via medical bodies.

    Because of Brexit, the UK withdrew from the EMA on 31st December. Their MHRA took over sole responsibility for regulation. That agency did not spot the associations that other countries spotted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 205 ✭✭Skygord


    Not too sure how Brexit impacted it to be honest - it may have, I don't know. The UK Yellow Card system updates other Medical authorities and vice versa - . Many in the community talk to each other ask and share knowledge and experiences as well as updates via medical bodies.

    "Another reason for the MHRA’s slower reaction, suggest observers, could be that it lost access to Eudravigilance, the vast European database into which all adverse drug reactions are reported, when the UK left the orbit EMA regulation on 31 December last year.

    An EMA spokeswoman told The Telegraph: “The MHRA has access to the EudraVigilance gateway only. This allows them to submit cases (or to receive Northern Irish cases), but they cannot check the data in EudraVigilance."


    This article suggests the UK's data access is reduced now they are out of the EU:

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/revealed-britains-regulator-missed-link-astrazeneca-jab-rare/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    Kevint30 wrote: »
    Wife 35, received first dose of AZ in February, diagnosed with DVT in leg in UHL tonight. 6 other people in with similar issues (speaking to eachother in acute medical unit) all took AZ in February. Surely not a coincidence.

    Was there an underlying health reason that she received her vaccine aged 35? Scary that there were 6 other people there with the same problem...were they all female?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    I'm due to get my vaccine at the Aviva today. Are there delays getting in to the car park etc. Would I be better finding a parking space out on the road and walking in?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 570 ✭✭✭acer911


    I'm due to get my vaccine at the Aviva today. Are there delays getting in to the car park etc. Would I be better finding a parking space out on the road and walking in?

    Will be plenty of parking on the streets around (all pay parking mind), so wouldnt be too worried about it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,181 ✭✭✭Living Off The Splash


    acer911 wrote: »
    Will be plenty of parking on the streets around (all pay parking mind), so wouldnt be too worried about it.

    Yes. Might park out on the street. There was an earlier post on here about long queues of cars trying to get in to City West yesterday with long delays.

    Just wanted to see what the Aviva experience was like from someone who was there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,114 ✭✭✭PhilOssophy


    Not to mention the fact that there's two Mr. Johnsons, which will speed things up even more.

    Its so good they give you both Johnson jabs at the same time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭1huge1


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    What time approx will Mondays doses be released?

    Released now

    https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-19-april-2021.pdf

    14k doses on Monday


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,795 ✭✭✭snotboogie




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