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maddness · 19-04-2021 01:44PM

ILikeBoats wrote: »

Out of curiosity...

If you were to import a 340i from the UK now, would it be comparable in cost? Or more expensive?

Vat plus import duty on top of the vrt you would have paid last year. So about 33% more expensive.

ht9zni1gs28crp · 19-04-2021 01:45PM

ILikeBoats wrote: »

Out of curiosity...

If you were to import a 340i from the UK now, would it be comparable in cost? Or more expensive?

Compared to what? My current maths on additional duties means its 9k more expensive to bring one in now.

Wailin · 19-04-2021 01:50PM

miller_63 wrote: »

I've just checked the UK market for them. Not a hope landing one in Ireland for low 30's anymore.

2016 335d for under 30k on donedeal. They'd be similar price band when new.

ht9zni1gs28crp · 19-04-2021 02:08PM

Wailin wrote: »

2016 335d for under 30k on donedeal. They'd be similar price band when new.

Comparing a 335D to a 340i?

Difference in new price v depreciation price though.

Cyrus · 19-04-2021 02:09PM

miller_63 wrote: »

Comparing a 335D to a 340i?

Difference in new price v depreciation price though.

if they both cost the same new then its a sensible comparison, any reason you think the depreciation curve is different?

ht9zni1gs28crp · 19-04-2021 02:14PM

Cyrus wrote: »

if they both cost the same new then its a sensible comparison, any reason you think the depreciation curve is different?

Supply.

Cyrus · 19-04-2021 02:22PM

miller_63 wrote: »

Supply.

and maybe you get lucky with the handful of people in ireland that want a non m big petrol engined bmw at the time you are selling but there aren't many unfortunately.

if you are thinking of selling put it up at what you think its worth, either you get interest or you don't.

Wailin · 19-04-2021 02:24PM

miller_63 wrote: »

Supply.

There's a 2017 440i with 44k miles going for 37k so low 30's is probably a bit off alright. I reckon madness was correct with 33-35k depending on mileage, condition etc.

Buddy Bubs · 19-04-2021 02:28PM

miller_63 wrote: »

Supply.

Have to balance that with demand though

mickdw · 19-04-2021 02:32PM

Worth looking at the 3 NI bmw dealers for that kind of stuff.

ht9zni1gs28crp · 19-04-2021 02:33PM

Wailin wrote: »

There's a 2017 440i with 44k miles going for 37k so low 30's is probably a bit off alright. I reckon madness was correct with 33-35k depending on mileage, condition etc.

Its a moot point as mine isn't for sale, just curious as the UK prices have risen slightly since I bought mine. It certainly isn't going anywhere for low 30's either.

So on a Done Deal search. Any vehicle age. Someone wants a fast load lugging Touring computes the following:

BMW. Petrol, estate, 3.0 plus on Done Deal - nothing.

BMW. Petrol non estate = 5 pages of all kinds of stuff.

Cyrus · 19-04-2021 02:41PM

miller_63 wrote: »

Its a moot point as mine isn't for sale, just curious as the UK prices have risen slightly since I bought mine. It certainly isn't going anywhere for low 30's either.

So on a Done Deal search. Any vehicle age. Someone wants a fast load lugging Touring computes the following:

BMW. Petrol, estate, 3.0 plus on Done Deal - nothing.

BMW. Petrol non estate = 5 pages of all kinds of stuff.

so are they more likely to pay a lot for a petrol 3 series touring or just buy one of the many fast SUVs going?

dont get me wrong, its a lovely car, but its unlikely to be an appreciating asset.

ILikeBoats · 19-04-2021 03:00PM

miller_63 wrote: »

Compared to what? My current maths on additional duties means its 9k more expensive to bring one in now.

Sorry, I meant to an Irish car.
So if you had an Irish 340i and a UK 340i. Same age and spec.
Last year you could bring in the UK car and save some money. Would you be paying more for it now than an Irish car?

I'm guessing that 9k in additional duties will make it the more expensive option.

ht9zni1gs28crp · 19-04-2021 03:09PM

The moment you mentioned SUV's I knew I had to exit.....

Cyrus · 19-04-2021 03:30PM

miller_63 wrote: »

The moment you mentioned SUV's I knew I had to exit.....

you appear to be taking offence, and then also say you arent selling.

If you arent selling why do you care?

If you are just put it up at what its worth and see what it gets.

Its a big engined non m bmw, nice car but if you think people who want something that can carry a load arent going to look at fast suvs as well you are misguided.

Buddy Bubs · 19-04-2021 03:35PM

Could be a slow sell if not giving it away but if you get a person looking for that very specific type of car you could be in luck with the money.

Demand won't be high though, unfortunately there are some very legitimate substitutes that most people will settle for. Just need that one keen buyer though then your supply shortage bears fruit.

ht9zni1gs28crp · 19-04-2021 03:43PM

Cyrus wrote: »

you appear to be taking offence, and then also say you arent selling.

If you arent selling why do you care?

If you are just put it up at what its worth and see what it gets.

Its a big engined non m bmw, nice car but if you think people who want something that can carry a load arent going to look at fast suvs as well you are misguided.

I really am not taking offence, its an open discussion and so it should rightly remain. If we all liked the same thing it would be a boring world. Its more your method of comparison that's baffling me a little? Your comparisons are showing your knowledge up of the market these would be aimed at. Its more for a true car enthusiast who now needs a family car but still wants a way into his/her hobby. Someone who wants that feel, that power and that soundtrack on tap. Someone who would look for something special rather than your average joe who would consider an SUV as a comparison.

Cyrus · 19-04-2021 03:51PM

miller_63 wrote: »

I really am not taking offence, its an open discussion and so it should rightly remain. If we all liked the same thing it would be a boring world. Its more your method of comparison that's baffling me a little? Your comparisons are showing your knowledge up of the market these would be aimed at. Its more for a true car enthusiast who now needs a family car but still wants a way into his/her hobby. Someone who wants that feel, that power and that soundtrack on tap. Someone who would look for something special rather than your average joe who would consider an SUV as a comparison.

ive owned more bmws with large engines that most, including 2 m cars so im not speaking as someone with no appreciation for what they offer. i refute that my knowledge of anything is being shown up.

i am happy that method of comparison makes sense.

vintagevrs · 19-04-2021 04:00PM

Having recently enough sold an F31 with a three litre (diesel mind) which doesn't compare completely I'm sure to the b58 but what has been touched on here by another poster stands true. You only need one buyer, not 50. And that car 100% will be what someone is looking for and due to supply, they will have to pay for it.

My own car had zero interest for a long time and then eventually one guy completely wanted it and that was it and he paid his monies. He actually gave me more than originally agreed for some bizarre reason that I still don't fully understand

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mickdw · 19-04-2021 04:09PM

vintagevrs wrote: »

He actually gave me more than originally agreed for some bizarre reason that I still don't fully understand .

Do tell!

vintagevrs · 19-04-2021 04:36PM

Think I had the car up for something 700, agreed something 200. When he was due to collect it I just said on the phone we agreed x,200 yeah? And he said he'd give me x,500....

I didn't complain.

mickdw · 19-04-2021 04:40PM

vintagevrs wrote: »

Think I had the car up for something 700, agreed something 200. When he was due to collect it I just said on the phone we agreed x,200 yeah? And he said he'd give me x,500....

I didn't complain.

Thats nuts.

bazz26 · 19-04-2021 05:17PM

He must have gone to the same school as Trigger:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwKFc6jclK8

carsfan2 · 19-04-2021 07:30PM

The market in Ireland for large engine BMW models in Ireland is small and even smaller for large engine tourers. We just don’t appreciate estate cars here. We also don’t want big engines or more than just adequate power. Purchase cost and running costs being the main deterrent.

Those of us on this thread are vastly outnumbered by those that are more than happy with the basic model and see no value in going for more unfortunately.
The latest reg. plate and the cheapest tax are the main attraction for many.
A 340i touring or a 540i may be a unicorn to us but to the majority it’s an oddball car.

bazz26 · 19-04-2021 07:53PM

In fairness I can see why it's hard to have any appetite for wanting nice cars in this country when you see the breakdown of taxes that you have to pay for the privilege of owning one. The new M3 being a nice example where 43k of the 135k asking price is just VRT alone. Even the coke zero M340i is still a whopping 80k here before you start looking at the options list.

carsfan2 · 19-04-2021 08:31PM

bazz26 wrote: »

In fairness I can see why it's hard to have any appetite for wanting nice cars in this country when you see the breakdown of taxes that you have to pay for the privilege of owning one. The new M3 being a nice example where 43k of the 135k asking price is just VRT alone. Even the coke zero M340i is still a whopping 80k here before you start looking at the options list.

No doubt we are screwed here on our car taxes and personal taxation in general.
I suppose my point is that most of the population just don't see the point of the bigger engined, better equipped cars that us enthusiasts see as more desirable.

Wailin · 19-04-2021 08:44PM

How are you finding the 330e now that you've spent some time with it carsfan? Huge improvement over the F series I'd imagine?

maddness · 19-04-2021 09:10PM

carsfan2 wrote: »

The market in Ireland for large engine BMW models in Ireland is small and even smaller for large engine tourers. We just don’t appreciate estate cars here. We also don’t want big engines or more than just adequate power. Purchase cost and running costs being the main deterrent.

Those of us on this thread are vastly outnumbered by those that are more than happy with the basic model and see no value in going for more unfortunately.
The latest reg. plate and the cheapest tax are the main attraction for many.
A 340i touring or a 540i may be a unicorn to us but to the majority it’s an oddball car.

Very true unfortunately

carsfan2 · 19-04-2021 09:41PM

Wailin wrote: »

How are you finding the 330e now that you've spent some time with it carsfan? Huge improvement over the F series I'd imagine?

I’ve done just over 1100km in the 330e since I got it and have just over a quarter of a tank of petrol left which I find astonishing as I’ve had it in sport mode for a few drives and never in eco.
It seems to be a lot more efficient than the last 330e as well as being a lot faster.
The quality and feel of the car is a big jump from the last three series. It is much more like a mini five series than before.
The tech and operating system is ahead of what was in my 2017 g31 five series too but I imagine a 2021 five would be the same.
The handling and engine/power are where it really scores over my five series. It feels more powerful than the headline figures and especially in sport mode is more than quick enough. It picks up power at any speed relentlessly.The ride on the adaptive suspension is excellent and better than the five series was. The noise in sport mode although I know it’s artificial and piped into the cabin adds fun to the driving experience.
Where it loses out is that you don’t have the big lounge seats of the five series and slightly smaller inside(but not as much as you would think) space.
The interior space really isn’t much less and I read the current three is the same size as the e60 five series.
Laser lights are amazing I have to say and worth it for me as I drive cross country roads a bit.
Road noise from the tyres is more than the five but seems to be improving as the tyres bed in.HK Sound system doesn’t sound as good as the five series did. Not as powerful.
I know they’re not cheap cars but I think with low vrt and the soon to end grants you get a lot for the money.
As I said after watching Mark’s M3 review, the M3 is two and a half times the price of mine. In that context mine’s a bargain.

Wailin · 19-04-2021 10:19PM

Great write up. I'd have the 3 over the 5 myself if both cars had the same engine. The touring is the perfect car imo. Does it still use the rear airbag suspension like the previous versions?

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