Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

munchkin_utd · 14-04-2021 03:22PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No but someone that lives in Donegal and works in Northern Ireland could have been.

you mean the UK variant came from the UK, aka Northern Ireland?

nope, thats impossible !! Had to be a spanish sailor!

MOH · 14-04-2021 03:23PM

Blut2 wrote: »

Travel had no impact on the 'R' rate, that claim is very easily dis-proven nonsense:

Throughout this year travel has hovered at around 0.5% of covid cases in Ireland in any two week period. Thats a snapshot of one two week period, but you can check the rest and see the same.

Even before mandatory PCR tests on arrival, and before mandatory hotel quarantine, travel was responsible for almost no corona cases in Ireland.

That ignores the fact that any Irish statistics on clusters and their sources are known to be utter nonsense since we didn't start any form of proper contact tracing until a couple of weeks ago. (Because the man in charge of epidemiological modelling doesn't believe in retrospective contact tracing and prefers to make assumptions based on correlations, except when the obvious correlations don't suit him.)

80%+ of cases apparently spontaneously arose in households. It must be something in the water supply :rolleyes:

Economics101 · 14-04-2021 03:42PM

Originally Posted by Red Silurian:
They broke the law once by going abroad, I don't see why they'd bother following a home quarantine law

I disagree totally. A few years ago we had a referendum which amended the Constitution to ensure the Right to Travel. I know that was caused by another issue entirely, but the reason why it passed so easily was that people (independently of their views on abortion) were adamant that they were not willing to be confined like those unfortunates behind the Berlin Wall. Those principles of personal liberty still hold, even in a Pandemic irrespective of what any medical would-be-dictators may say

fly_agaric · 14-04-2021 04:03PM

MOH wrote: »

That ignores the fact that any Irish statistics on clusters and their sources are known to be utter nonsense since we didn't start any form of proper contact tracing until a couple of weeks ago.

People still posting these brain-dead arguments after 1 year of this have found evidence that will prove the conclusion they desire and that's the end of it.

I expect all countries that have manadatory quarantines in place will see the light & begin scrapping these pointless policies immediately. Their "medical dictators" (great phrase) have restricted their freedoms for nothing.

After all, HSEs world beating statistics "prove" that when/if they have an outbreak, only a tiny fraction of the cases will be from inward travel so it is worthless!

muddypuppy · 14-04-2021 07:10PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

They broke the law once by going abroad, I don't see why they'd bother following a home quarantine law

People could have traveled abroad before there was any restrictions, and the law is not a blanket ban of travel, there are a number of reasonable excuses. How do you know that those people broke the law?

josip · 14-04-2021 07:27PM

If I ever found myself having to do MHQ, I'd be stashing blocks of cheese above the ceiling tiles on my last day inside.

saabsaab · 14-04-2021 07:56PM

muddypuppy wrote: »

People could have traveled abroad before there was any restrictions, and the law is not a blanket ban of travel, there are a number of reasonable excuses. How do you know that those people broke the law?

We know that some did. Forms showed it.

NSAman · 14-04-2021 07:57PM

josip wrote: »

If I ever found myself having to do MHQ, I'd be stashing blocks of cheese above the ceiling tiles on my last day inside.

I'd take up smoking inside.... what are they gonna do? Kick you out?

glenfieldman · 14-04-2021 08:16PM

josip wrote: »

If I ever found myself having to do MHQ, I'd be stashing blocks of cheese above the ceiling tiles on my last day inside.

Classy, that will be lovely for the housekeeping staff on minimum that has to clean after a dick

saabsaab · 14-04-2021 08:22PM

NSAman wrote: »

I'd take up smoking inside.... what are they gonna do? Kick you out?

Take the cigs? Fine and jail after?

a_squirrelman · 14-04-2021 08:32PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Take the cigs? Fine and jail after?

So confiscate your stuff as well as locking you up? Sounds more like prison every day.

saabsaab · 14-04-2021 08:47PM

a_squirrelman wrote: »

So confiscate your stuff as well as locking you up? Sounds more like prison every day.

Would be if you break the law.

a_squirrelman · 14-04-2021 09:08PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Would be if you break the law.

Jail for smoking.

You would have done well under communism. StasiSaab.

titan18 · 14-04-2021 09:11PM

NSAman wrote: »

I'd take up smoking inside.... what are they gonna do? Kick you out?

I dunno. Any prison movie I've seen has cigarettes we currency. Maybe you can trade them for a shorter stay or a better dinner.

josip · 14-04-2021 10:10PM

glenfieldman wrote: »

Classy, that will be lovely for the housekeeping staff on minimum that has to clean after a dick

I’ve served my time in housekeeping and it won’t have any impact on the room cleaning staff.
For every checkout, the room gets the same full clean, unless someone is cutting corners or the hotel is short staffed.
If there’s a smell in the room at the end of the clean, it’s reported to the supervisor and it’s their problem.
If the supervisor can’t track down the smell, it goes to head of housekeeping and the room gets blocked until the smell is tracked down.
And I wouldn’t lose any sleep about lost revenue for a hotel that’s profiteering from MHQ.

saabsaab · 14-04-2021 10:21PM

josip wrote: »

I’ve served my time in housekeeping and it won’t have any impact on the room cleaning staff.
For every checkout, the room gets the same full clean, unless someone is cutting corners or the hotel is short staffed.
If there’s a smell in the room at the end of the clean, it’s reported to the supervisor and it’s their problem.
If the supervisor can’t track down the smell, it goes to head of housekeeping and the room gets blocked until the smell is tracked down.
And I wouldn’t lose any sleep about lost revenue for a hotel that’s profiteering from MHQ.

Doesn't matter, still would be a scummy thing to do.

josip · 14-04-2021 10:36PM

saabsaab wrote: »

Doesn't matter, still would be a scummy thing to do.

But not quite as scummy as wanting to lock up for 2 weeks, a fully vaccinated, negative PCR-ed person who was coming home to be with their dying father.

glenfieldman · 14-04-2021 10:38PM

josip wrote: »

I’ve served my time in housekeeping and it won’t have any impact on the room cleaning staff.
For every checkout, the room gets the same full clean, unless someone is cutting corners or the hotel is short staffed.
If there’s a smell in the room at the end of the clean, it’s reported to the supervisor and it’s their problem.
If the supervisor can’t track down the smell, it goes to head of housekeeping and the room gets blocked until the smell is tracked down.
And I wouldn’t lose any sleep about lost revenue for a hotel that’s profiteering from MHQ.

As did I, hotel, b&b and the worst was a hostel
But as for leaving something that bad, the poor housekeeper would be left responsible, the supervisor would throw them under the bus to save their skin
Better to leave loads of ****ty reviews on online travel sites,
That would hurt them and not the staff

saabsaab · 14-04-2021 10:38PM

josip wrote: »

But not quite as scummy as wanting to lock up for 2 weeks, a fully vaccinated, negative PCR-ed person who was coming home to be with their dying father.

Here we go again. An individual hard case over and dealt with now.

glenfieldman · 14-04-2021 10:41PM

josip wrote: »

But not quite as scummy as wanting to lock up for 2 weeks, a fully vaccinated, negative PCR-ed person who was coming home to be with their dying father.

OMG, I thought you were joking, its not the hotels that are "locking" up these people
Its the government, put smelly cheese in Leinster House

Red Silurian · 14-04-2021 10:46PM

josip wrote: »

If I ever found myself having to do MHQ, I'd be stashing blocks of cheese above the ceiling tiles on my last day inside.

Is that to annoy the next person occupying the room or the cleaning staff? Also remember they'll probably have your credit card details

NSAman wrote: »

I'd take up smoking inside.... what are they gonna do? Kick you out?

I think smoking in a public workplace carries a fine, so whatever the fine would be multiplied by the number of times you'd get caught

Lmkrnr · 14-04-2021 10:54PM

A leak in the wall cavity will cause some hassle. By the time its found it could be coming from anywhere.

Feria40 · 14-04-2021 10:56PM

For anyone interested in whats in the works re the proposed EU Digital Green Cert

https://www.thejournal.ie/council-of-eu-5410140-Apr2021/?utm_source=twitter_short

14-04-2021 11:03PM

Feria40 wrote: »

For anyone interested in whats in the works re the proposed EU Digital Green Cert

https://www.thejournal.ie/council-of-eu-5410140-Apr2021/?utm_source=twitter_short

The complicated part will be third country certificates. It seems like it will be down to individual states to agree reciprocity with third countries re, their versions of the certificates. So would the UK and the US certificates meet the grade? I would assume so, but that seems to be the big moving part for me

Feria40 · 14-04-2021 11:05PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The complicated part will be third country certificates. It seems like it will be down to individual states to agree reciprocity with third countries re, their versions of the certificates. So would the UK and the US certificates meet the grade? I would assume so, but that seems to be the big moving part for me

I would expect so tbh.

Trampas · 15-04-2021 08:03AM

Why is it airlines responsibility to make sure customers have made a quarantine booking. Is it not up to passport control people or someone else at airport.

Is this excuse another one of the government failings

is_that_so · 15-04-2021 08:08AM

Deleted User wrote: »

The complicated part will be third country certificates. It seems like it will be down to individual states to agree reciprocity with third countries re, their versions of the certificates. So would the UK and the US certificates meet the grade? I would assume so, but that seems to be the big moving part for me

The US are not planning to use them. There is still very much a sense of a temporary measure about these anyway. It's really to try to get this summer up and running in the EU.

shtpEdthePlum · 15-04-2021 08:15AM

I wonder what Poland voted on them. They are a nation who has a history of requiring papers to travel.

faceman · 15-04-2021 08:25AM

Regardless of your view on MHQ, this is hilarious

https://www.newstalk.com/news/mandatory-quarantine-issue-not-capacity-but-lack-of-enforcement-by-airlines-donnelly-1179922

faceman · 15-04-2021 08:26AM

glenfieldman wrote: »

OMG, I thought you were joking, its not the hotels that are "locking" up these people
Its the government, put smelly cheese in Leinster House

Won’t make a difference. Plenty of smelly cheese in Leinster House already

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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