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13-04-2021 11:26PM

Bayes is rolling in his grave

ClanofLams · 14-04-2021 12:38AM

If Johnson & Johnson is delayed for a long time, given how dependent Ireland are on it, we will have to row back on AZ and tell people no actually the risk doesn't outweigh benefit. Already hearing people in their 30s saying they are not gonna take it and few people saying they won't take any vaccine. This could turn into a major ****show and completely derail rollout.

Burkie1203 · 14-04-2021 07:26AM

ClanofLams wrote: »

If Johnson & Johnson is delayed for a long time, given how dependent Ireland are on it, we will have to row back on AZ and tell people no actually the risk doesn't outweigh benefit. Already hearing people in their 30s saying they are not gonna take it and few people saying they won't take any vaccine. This could turn into a major ****show and completely derail rollout.

If one person dies after taking AZ then it will result in "they knew there was a risk and they still used it so we want money"

Hard to disagree with this tweet

https://twitter.com/GregCantyFuzion/status/1381881337653649409?s=19

irishbucsfan · 14-04-2021 07:33AM

ClanofLams wrote: »

If Johnson & Johnson is delayed for a long time, given how dependent Ireland are on it, we will have to row back on AZ and tell people no actually the risk doesn't outweigh benefit. Already hearing people in their 30s saying they are not gonna take it and few people saying they won't take any vaccine. This could turn into a major ****show and completely derail rollout.

The risk outweighs the benefit given there are other vaccines available that don't present that same risk.

Ultimately the goal is to get everyone vaccinated and we're still getting the same number of vaccines delivered, that hasn't changed (except that pause in J&J which seems very similar).

Anti-vax people have always existed and probably always will.

The Inbetween is mine · 14-04-2021 07:43AM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

The risk outweighs the benefit given there are other vaccines available that don't present that same risk.

Ultimately the goal is to get everyone vaccinated and we're still getting the same number of vaccines delivered, that hasn't changed (except that pause in J&J which seems very similar).

Anti-vax people have always existed and probably always will.

You want to inject cowpox into me?....
Witch!! Witch I say!!

Former Former Former · 14-04-2021 08:00AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Bayes is rolling in his grave

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Yes, there's a good probability of it.

errlloyd · 14-04-2021 08:29AM

On Friday I posted in my mates WhatsApp group.

"around 450 people a day are arriving from destinations we've added to MHQ. They spend a minimum of ten days there. That means we need around 4,500 beds capacity and it seems we only have 650".

Does anyone know the actual plan here? Are they hoping the number of arrivals drop significantly? At most I've seen them say they'll get 1,600 rooms.

The Inbetween is mine · 14-04-2021 08:34AM

errlloyd wrote: »

On Friday I posted in my mates WhatsApp group.

"around 450 people a day are arriving from destinations we've added to MHQ. They spend a minimum of ten days there. That means we need around 4,500 beds capacity and it seems we only have 650".

Does anyone know the actual plan here? Are they hoping the number of arrivals drop significantly? At most I've seen them say they'll get 1,600 rooms.

They've already stated they don't have enough rooms..most likely looking for new hotels to come onboard....also, it seems a bit daft to ship Shannon & Cork arrivals to isolate in Dublin

irishbucsfan · 14-04-2021 08:36AM

errlloyd wrote: »

On Friday I posted in my mates WhatsApp group.

"around 450 people a day are arriving from destinations we've added to MHQ. They spend a minimum of ten days there. That means we need around 4,500 beds capacity and it seems we only have 650".

Does anyone know the actual plan here? Are they hoping the number of arrivals drop significantly? At most I've seen them say they'll get 1,600 rooms.

They were hoping demand would drop further from what I could tell. But no matter how grim they make it, people still need to travel in larger numbers than they bargained for unfortunately it seems.

Also it’s 11 days in practice. You get the test on day 10 and won’t get the result until 24 hours later, so even more beds needed!

OldRio · 14-04-2021 08:44AM

If only the government had had more time to organise this.

Zzippy · 14-04-2021 08:50AM

OldRio wrote: »

If only the government had had more time to organise this.

Ah come on Rio, they've only had *checks notes* 13 months! :pac:

Former Former Former · 14-04-2021 09:22AM

errlloyd wrote: »

On Friday I posted in my mates WhatsApp group.

"around 450 people a day are arriving from destinations we've added to MHQ. They spend a minimum of ten days there. That means we need around 4,500 beds capacity and it seems we only have 650".

Does anyone know the actual plan here? Are they hoping the number of arrivals drop significantly? At most I've seen them say they'll get 1,600 rooms.

This isn't correct though.

1. Not everyone will need a room to themselves.
2. After an initial surge in capacity required, new people arriving will just be replacing those leaving. If 450 arrive per day, then after ten days the capacity needed will equilibrate at 450.

Tomtom364 · 14-04-2021 09:43AM

Former Former Former wrote: »

This isn't correct though.

1. Not everyone will need a room to themselves.
2. After an initial surge in capacity required, new people arriving will just be replacing those leaving. If 450 arrive per day, then after ten days the capacity needed will equilibrate at 450.

Eh... that's not how Math works... will balance out at needing 4,500 cant just use the same 450 rooms when people have to stay 10 days (or 4,950 if its 11)

Paul Smeenus · 14-04-2021 09:50AM

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Eh... that's not how Math works... will balance out at needing 4,500 cant just use the same 450 rooms when people have to stay 10 days (or 4,950 if its 11)

It's "maths".

irishbucsfan · 14-04-2021 09:50AM

Former Former Former wrote: »

This isn't correct though.

1. Not everyone will need a room to themselves.
2. After an initial surge in capacity required, new people arriving will just be replacing those leaving. If 450 arrive per day, then after ten days the capacity needed will equilibrate at 450.

Assuming it’s 450 needed per day

It’s 11*450 + the extra days needed for anyone who tests positive until they test negative. If testing capacity then becomes an issue, it could delay test results by a day increasing room numbers required as well.

I don’t think it is 450 rooms needed a day though.... although who knows now they’re adding far more countries to that list. If they hadn’t considered that before adding the new countries to the list then that is just embarrassing levels of incompetence, surely they did?

Former Former Former · 14-04-2021 09:55AM

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Eh... that's not how Math works... will balance out at needing 4,500 cant just use the same 450 rooms when people have to stay 10 days (or 4,950 if its 11)

True, true.

More coffee, then a revised plan.

Tomtom364 · 14-04-2021 10:04AM

Paul Smeenus wrote: »

It's "maths".

Well, it's mathematics, but you do you kid.

Podge_irl · 14-04-2021 10:47AM

Burkie1203 wrote: »

Hard to disagree with this tweet

https://twitter.com/GregCantyFuzion/status/1381881337653649409?s=19

NZ also get to go about their lives as normal so the trade off is different. That was never realistically an option here so the benefit is minimal and the cost to certain people is potentially large.

14-04-2021 10:49AM

We were never going to be NZ but we're just lurching from one farce to another these days it feels. I'm getting seriously fed up at this point.

Podge_irl · 14-04-2021 11:11AM

Ximena Unimportant Strikeout wrote: »

We were never going to be NZ but we're just lurching from one farce to another these days it feels. I'm getting seriously fed up at this point.

Ireland is still doing fairly well on a global scale by pretty much any metric, which is worth remembering.

There is certainly a chaotic aspect to handling, though it is driven in part by the not inconsiderable portion of society who refuse to acknowledge we were never going to be NZ and that it would all be "so simple" to just bring in mandatory quarantine and open the country up.

mfceiling · 14-04-2021 11:42AM

BBC had some professor lad on this morning from Imperial college London. Jist of it was the risk of getting covid versus the miniscule risk from the vaccine was basically a no brainer.

Was hoping the host would say "sorry to cut across you professor, but I've Sharon from Facebook here, who studied at the school of hard knocks and went to the university of life and it seems like she has a different theory"

irishbucsfan · 14-04-2021 11:49AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Ireland is still doing fairly well on a global scale by pretty much any metric, which is worth remembering.

There is certainly a chaotic aspect to handling, though it is driven in part by the not inconsiderable portion of society who refuse to acknowledge we were never going to be NZ and that it would all be "so simple" to just bring in mandatory quarantine and open the country up.

To be fair I think that portion of society are pretty inconsiderable, they’ve just had a lot of amplification. I don’t think most people in Ireland cared about travel, they just wanted and still want much more clarity on what the government are planning for them

14-04-2021 11:50AM

Podge_irl wrote: »

Ireland is still doing fairly well on a global scale by pretty much any metric, which is worth remembering.

There is certainly a chaotic aspect to handling, though it is driven in part by the not inconsiderable portion of society who refuse to acknowledge we were never going to be NZ and that it would all be "so simple" to just bring in mandatory quarantine and open the country up.

We're doing OK in terms of cases/deaths etc at the moment on a global scale which is fine, but it does not feel like we're doing OK in terms of getting our lives back to some type of normality, we're still under fairly strict restrictions, we're spending billions upon billions of public money on PUP and other things, virtually every shop/pub/bar/restaurant in the country is closed, and we don't have a minister for health who can multiply two numbers together it seems. I have been fairly sanguine about all this for about the past year but I'm tipping over the edge now tbh.

irishbucsfan · 14-04-2021 01:54PM

Extra 500k vaccines from the Pfizer lads anyway. We’re all gonna be licking pavements by the end of summer, not to worry

14-04-2021 02:00PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Extra 500k vaccines from the Pfizer lads anyway. We’re all gonna be licking pavements by the end of summer, not to worry

eh... you need to vaccinated for that? news to me

Buer · 14-04-2021 02:44PM

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Extra 500k vaccines from the Pfizer lads anyway. We’re all gonna be licking pavements by the end of summer, not to worry

Wait, we were supposed to stop doing that?

Zzippy · 14-04-2021 10:34PM

Just a reminder folks, we're all affected by Covid but discussion of politics is not allowed, so keep it to the science. Thanks.

mfceiling · 15-04-2021 10:36AM

Jab done!! Just a 15 minute wait and I'm out the gate.

I'll give the nordies their dues....this place is running with military precision and they are flying through them. 1500 people in this centre today. Hopefully we can catch up quickly in the south.

Pfizer as well!!

Squidgy Black · 15-04-2021 11:44AM

Denmark have halted the use of Astrazeneca altogether, 2.4 million doses withdrawn. But they did a study showing 1 in 40k getting blood clots from it.

Although it seems they're a good bit further along with their rollout and they reckon they've enough supply of other vaccines to not make a massive difference

Yeah_Right · 15-04-2021 12:39PM

mfceiling wrote: »

Jab done!! Just a 15 minute wait and I'm out the gate.

I'll give the nordies their dues....this place is running with military precision and they are flying through them. 1500 people in this centre today. Hopefully we can catch up quickly in the south.

Pfizer as well!!

Show off.

No I'm not jealous.

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