Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Ray Donovan · 13-04-2021 08:18PM

josip wrote: »

Government considers delay to Pfizer second dose

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/government-considers-delay-to-secondpfizer-jab-to-allow-more-people-to-get-first-dose-40309563.html

Win win for the govt here, because it will also mean that the people getting Pfizer will be fully vaccinated later and won't be eligible for the EU travel cert in the summer.
I know it sounds like it belongs in the conspiracy forum, but after what they did virtually closing the passport office, nothing would surprise me.

I'm not having dig here, as this I believe there is serious disinformation being spread by NPHET about the EU travel cert, but it seems Ronan Glynn has you fooled.

The EU travel cert in its current guise can be accessed and utilised if you meet one of 3 criteria
1. Full vaccination
2. Covid diagnosis and recovery in previous 180 days
3. Recent negative test

However every time NPHET/Glynn etc discuss it they ALWAYS refer to it as a vaccine passport. They are totally trying to deceive the public into believing the vast vast majority of them wont be eligible for the pass when this clearly isn't the case.

Just look at the amount of times "Vaccince cert" is mentioned in this article when it is clearly about the EU travel cert.

https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-certs-5408141-Apr2021/

Happydays2020 · 13-04-2021 08:21PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I'm not having dig here, as this I believe there is serious disinformation being spread by NPHET about the EU travel cert, but it seems Ronan Glynn has you fooled.

The EU travel cert in its current guise can be accessed and utilised if you meet one of 3 criteria
1. Full vaccination
2. Covid diagnosis and recovery in previous 180 days
3. Recent negative test

However every time NPHET/Glynn etc discuss it they ALWAYS refer to it as a vaccine passport. They are totally trying to deceive the public into believing the vast vast majority of them wont be eligible for the pass when this clearly isn't the case.

Just look at the amount of times "Vaccince cert" is mentioned in this article when it is clearly about the EU travel cert.

https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-certs-5408141-Apr2021/

I will happily get my negative tests. I think my holidays are growing by the week.

13-04-2021 08:27PM

saabsaab wrote: »

It is a good idea. Like everything it needs improvement.

I’d go as far to say that it was a defensible idea many months ago

Donald Trump · 13-04-2021 08:29PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I'm not having dig here, as this I believe there is serious disinformation being spread by NPHET about the EU travel cert, but it seems Ronan Glynn has you fooled.

Sure the next time he calls you, just don't answer the phone.

Donald Trump · 13-04-2021 08:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I’d go as far to say that it was a defensible idea many months ago

But woody, once it is brought it, it stays in until other countries start to improve. If it had been brought in months ago (and I think it should have) it would still be in now.

We would likely have less local restrictions but we would still have to have MHQ.

I see a lot of anti-MHQ people who also say it should have been brought in 6 months ago or a year ago. We have to start from where we are now.

Multipass · 13-04-2021 08:32PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I'm not having dig here, as this I believe there is serious disinformation being spread by NPHET about the EU travel cert, but it seems Ronan Glynn has you fooled.

The EU travel cert in its current guise can be accessed and utilised if you meet one of 3 criteria
1. Full vaccination
2. Covid diagnosis and recovery in previous 180 days
3. Recent negative test

However every time NPHET/Glynn etc discuss it they ALWAYS refer to it as a vaccine passport. They are totally trying to deceive the public into believing the vast vast majority of them wont be eligible for the pass when this clearly isn't the case.

Just look at the amount of times "Vaccince cert" is mentioned in this article when it is clearly about the EU travel cert.

https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-certs-5408141-Apr2021/

That makes sense. I was wondering how they were going to work around the people who can’t get any vaccine. The HSE website says anyone with a previous anaphylactic reaction shouldn’t have the vaccine. But there’s no way to disprove if you claim to have had one, especially if you’ve lived abroad.

13-04-2021 08:39PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

But woody, once it is brought it, it stays in until other countries start to improve. If it had been brought in months ago (and I think it should have) it would still be in now.

We would likely have less local restrictions but we would still have to have MHQ.

I see a lot of anti-MHQ people who also say it should have been brought in 6 months ago or a year ago. We have to start from where we are now.

I am not wholly against it. As long as vaccinations are recognised, both on an individual and national level, and that it does not apply to the EU. I have written same to my local TDs.

Donald Trump · 13-04-2021 08:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am not wholly against it. As long as vaccinations are recognised, both on an individual and national level, and that it does not apply to the EU. I have written same to my local TDs.

I'm not picking on you. I have just seen other posters saying "it should have been brought in X ago" but who are dead set against it now. I don't think they really would have been for it months ago. They are just venting that they don't want it now and trying to think or reasons to give out about it.

If I was against it now, I don't see how I'd have been for it months ago. We might not have had the Christmas surge, but that is a sunk cost now, so to speak. We have to start from where we are today and I don't want to see another surge. Especially since we are on the cusp of vaccinations.

I think it would be a pity for anyone who had made sacrifices and taken care for the past year or more to catch it in a last surge a few weeks before they were due to get vaccinated.

Mr. Karate · 13-04-2021 08:48PM

saabsaab wrote: »

It is a good idea. Like everything it needs improvement.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EFF3BmxEq0

Slinky94 · 13-04-2021 09:00PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

But woody, once it is brought it, it stays in until other countries start to improve. If it had been brought in months ago (and I think it should have) it would still be in now.

We would likely have less local restrictions but we would still have to have MHQ.

I see a lot of anti-MHQ people who also say it should have been brought in 6 months ago or a year ago. We have to start from where we are now.

Do you think if MHQ was brought in last year that the British variant still wouldn't be the most prevalent variant here right now anyway? Given how George Lee preaches most nights about how it's so much more transmissible.

And you can say even more of a reason to bring it in to stop your future VOC's that you keep warning us all of like Helen Lovejoy saying "think of the children", but judging by the incompetence shown over the past 12 months they won't get this right anytime soon.

Personally I feel all this effort should have been put into contact tracing, and maybe have a hotel for chancers who'd show up with no test.

josip · 13-04-2021 09:07PM

Ray Donovan wrote: »

I'm not having dig here, as this I believe there is serious disinformation being spread by NPHET about the EU travel cert, but it seems Ronan Glynn has you fooled.

The EU travel cert in its current guise can be accessed and utilised if you meet one of 3 criteria
1. Full vaccination
2. Covid diagnosis and recovery in previous 180 days
3. Recent negative test

However every time NPHET/Glynn etc discuss it they ALWAYS refer to it as a vaccine passport. They are totally trying to deceive the public into believing the vast vast majority of them wont be eligible for the pass when this clearly isn't the case.

Just look at the amount of times "Vaccince cert" is mentioned in this article when it is clearly about the EU travel cert.

https://www.thejournal.ie/vaccine-certs-5408141-Apr2021/

No dig taken, and I'm aware of the other 2 ways of getting the cert.
We haven't had Covid and don't intend getting it

so that only leaves vaccines and PCRs.
We've got a multi border, out and back, European trip to do this summer.
If we have to get PCRed, then we're looking at either trying to complete the trip within 48 hours or getting another set of PCRs midway on the way out and back.
If we're vaccinated, then it's less of a dash.

Jack1985 · 13-04-2021 09:16PM

Following the release of the Dubai Two I'm not sure if anyone noticed this,

When both were initially returned to MHQ the media were able to inform the public of a private diagnosis, that one of two was Covid-19 positive (this would have extended the MHQ stay).

The diagnosis was false-positive, only two papers (one a rag) actually published that it was a false-positive.

13-04-2021 09:16PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I'm not picking on you. I have just seen other posters saying "it should have been brought in X ago" but who are dead set against it now. I don't think they really would have been for it months ago. They are just venting that they don't want it now and trying to think or reasons to give out about it.

If I was against it now, I don't see how I'd have been for it months ago. We might not have had the Christmas surge, but that is a sunk cost now, so to speak. We have to start from where we are today and I don't want to see another surge. Especially since we are on the cusp of vaccinations.

I think it would be a pity for anyone who had made sacrifices and taken care for the past year or more to catch it in a last surge a few weeks before they were due to get vaccinated.

I think because had it been brought in months ago we would have a more mature and nuanced approach to it now. Including clearer metrics, an approach toward to the EU, toward vaccinated individuals and toward countries with high vaccination rates

What we have now is a panicked measure, that I am sure would have included many more countries if Donnelly had his way, and no sign that there will be any nuance brought in for the summer. It’s nonsensical - USA on the list and not India? Really?

I actually believe that there will be a change in June, that Donnelly will be forced to roll in behind any EU travel system, and that he will also remove the US. But many do not believe that, and who can blame them given the rhetoric. There is little I can point to that would reassure them, other than my gut (which is not an altogether pleasant thing to point to). We are just moving in the wrong direction at this stage of the pandemic and seemingly have no plan to reverse.

It doesn’t bother me personally a whole load. I’m in Spain right now, about to fly to the UK for a vaccine. I’ll be fully vaccinated by July and after a trip to the USA for a wedding I will come home to Ireland. And will go via the UK if necessary, if there is still no recognition of vaccination for arrivals from the USA, on account of the law being an ass

Donald Trump · 13-04-2021 09:19PM

Slinky94 wrote: »

Do you think if MHQ was brought in last year that the British variant still wouldn't be the most prevalent variant here right now anyway? Given how George Lee preaches most nights about how it's so much more transmissible.

And you can say even more of a reason to bring it in to stop your future VOC's that you keep warning us all of like Helen Lovejoy saying "think of the children", but judging by the incompetence shown over the past 12 months they won't get this right anytime soon.

Personally I feel all this effort should have been put into contact tracing, and maybe have a hotel for chancers who'd show up with no test.

Slinky, in January, we had a temporary blip and the system became overwhelmed to the extent that close contacts were not tested. I know because I was a close contact at that time. I never had a test and I was told that I would not be sent for one if I had not symptoms or only minor symptoms.

Contact tracing is great in theory. But it has its limitations.

As for the British variant, that is something we can only hypothesize. If half of the original "seeds" that were imported had been stopped, it would seem logical that we would have roughly half the number now.

faceman · 13-04-2021 09:39PM

For those of you excited to get back travelling when you get your vaccine passports, you can cross Australia off the list for a few more years

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6248495104001

Donald Trump · 13-04-2021 09:40PM

faceman wrote: »

For those of you excited to get back travelling when you get your vaccine passports, you can cross Australia off the list for a few more years

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6248495104001

Who knew the reach of the evil mastermind Ronan Glynn extended so far!

I don't know man. I just wouldn't be getting my hopes up for anything for a while. Just expect it to continue for a good while longer. Then at least I won't be making plans and getting disappointed.

faceman · 13-04-2021 09:45PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Who knew the reach of the evil mastermind Ronan Glynn extended so far!

I don't know man. I just wouldn't be getting my hopes up for anything for a while. Just expect it to continue for a good while longer. Then at least I won't be making plans and getting disappointed.

The ozzies and the kiwis make NPHET and Glynn look like Michael O’Leary when it comes to travel!

With the news in the last couple of days with AZ and J&J, I don’t think we will have certainty around EU travel till end of the summer sadly

Slinky94 · 13-04-2021 09:45PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Slinky, in January, we had a temporary blip and the system became overwhelmed to the extent that close contacts were not tested. I know because I was a close contact at that time. I never had a test and I was told that I would not be sent for one if I had not symptoms or only minor symptoms.

Contact tracing is great in theory. But it has its limitations.

As for the British variant, that is something we can only hypothesize. If half of the original "seeds" that were imported had been stopped, it would seem logical that we would have roughly half the number now.

I would say similar for MHQ good in theory but it has its limitations in terms of ability to outmanoeuvre given the border and incompetence so far in general in its set-up.

Also ditto for the British Variant hypothetical. We may have had half the cases but what then if we would have had half the local restrictions also as you mentioned previously. Cases could have been the same or higher, we'll just never know.

All I know for certain is that we're at a critical phase in the timeline and the next few weeks are key. ðŸ€¦*♂️ðŸ˜‚

Happydays2020 · 13-04-2021 09:48PM

Nice to see Irish business people calling out the madness

https://twitter.com/patrick_coveney/status/1382062554130825216?s=21

13-04-2021 09:51PM

faceman wrote: »

For those of you excited to get back travelling when you get your vaccine passports, you can cross Australia off the list for a few more years

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6248495104001

The comment section of the Sydney morning herald would suggest that Aussies aren’t thrilled about that!

normanoffside · 13-04-2021 09:56PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Nice to see Irish business people calling out the madness

https://twitter.com/patrick_coveney/status/1382062554130825216?s=21

Coveney, that surname rings a bell

Feria40 · 13-04-2021 09:57PM

normanoffside wrote: »

Coveney, that surname rings a bell

Greencore CEO, Simon's brother

actually! · 13-04-2021 09:58PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Nice to see Irish business people calling out the madness

https://twitter.com/patrick_coveney/status/1382062554130825216?s=21

The relationship of that individual to Simon Coveney is understood, right?

mandrake04 · 13-04-2021 09:59PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

I feel that someone in Government was duped by the Zero Covid lobby who managed to push through MHQ 52 weeks after it would have made any impact...

Even in Australia where they've had a strict MHQ it's meant that 10's of thousand of its citizens are stranded abroad and an entire nation confined to its own borders...and they probably won't reopen the country even with everyone vaccinated... is that what those screaming for closed borders and confine everyone in Ireland want? Indefinite closure of the country?

Let’s put a bit of perspective on the subject.

It’s like a refilling cup it’s not as if they all been stranded for a year, those who are stranded this month are not the same bunch from a few months ago. Many simply can’t afford to get flights because spent all their money trying to hold on to a life they made overseas but are now jobless and penniless because lockdowns etc, that’s the fault of their host countries not implementing any sort of quarantine it’s not Australia’s fault as they got their own tax paying residents to think of.

So what if the borders are closed, it’s not as if normal life is going immediately return where you are just because everyone is vaccinated....sure it be a few degrees more normal than now until the entire world comes out of this you will have restrictions for some considerable time.

Personally I’m happy enough not to travel overseas for a while I got nearly everything I need here it’s all very normal, where I am we have avoided any strict lockdowns. On the other hand if I was living in Europe I think I would have necked myself by now ...those ‘closed borders’ are actually a life saver tbh.

GazzaL · 13-04-2021 10:03PM

Hopefully Fine Gael will kick some lumps out of Fianna Fáil, stop the MHQ nonsense, and get on with a pragmatic, expedient reopening of the country.

Micky 32 · 13-04-2021 10:38PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

Personally I’m happy enough not to travel overseas for a while I got nearly everything I need here it’s all very normal, where I am we have avoided any strict lockdowns. On the other hand if I was living in Europe I think I would have necked myself by now ...those ‘closed borders’ are actually a life saver tbh.

Ah yeah, sure all fine and dandy for yourself, once it doesn’t affect you right? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Some people have families abroad etc etc

Incidentally i doubt it will be as long as 2024 in Australia. I’d say a fair bit of travelling will have started by then especially to low risk vaccinated countries.

13-04-2021 10:41PM

Harris restored some faith today, his words that he firmly believed.... grwat to see

Not the pass the book culture of hse to niac to committee for countries to Donnelly to someone else,

Im amazed were not calling for an election, they are clueless, where are the FF backbencher s they will be out of power forever soon

Tazz T · 13-04-2021 10:50PM

saabsaab wrote: »

It is a good idea. Like everything it needs improvement.

Are you mike pence?

Micky 32 · 13-04-2021 10:50PM

Mekhi Clean Teaspoonful wrote: »

Harris restored some faith today, his words that he firmly believed.... grwat to see

Not the pass the book culture of hse to niac to committee for countries to Donnelly to someone else,

Im amazed were not calling for an election, they are clueless, where are the FF backbencher s they will be out of power forever soon

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40264850.html%3ftype=amp

Jack1985 · 13-04-2021 10:51PM

Mekhi Clean Teaspoonful wrote: »

Im amazed were not calling for an election, they are clueless, where are the FF backbencher s they will be out of power forever soon

Whilst I'd go to agree I'm reminded the clowns in opposition SF, LAB, SOC all want MHQ to all countries. A total disconnect with the society we are nowadays.

And don't get me started on that Alan Kelly giving out about Brazilians in January, the crowd who feed his f*t hole.

I think that's one of the major problems the Irish expected MHQ for the Brazilians not themselves.

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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