Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Danno · 12-04-2021 10:50PM

Just for fun...

mmclo · 12-04-2021 11:55PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Another court case tonight involving a woman interned who has a sick mother. She wants to get out.

Needs to improve her golf basically

namloc1980 · 12-04-2021 11:58PM

hotmail.com wrote: »

Another court case tonight involving a woman interned who has a sick mother. She wants to get out.

I'd say she'll be released tomorrow as the government don't want the courts examining the constitutionality of MHQ.

13-04-2021 12:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus. Worst thing about the pandemic is that it’s shown how many people think like this

I read a great book by Anna Funder a few years ago. Stasiland. It was about her experiences growing up in the GDR.

She wrote about how fully 25% of the GDR population were informers on their fellow citizens at some level.

I scoffed at it. I thought she was exaggerating. One in four people ready to inform on their neighbours, family and friends?

I'm not scoffing now.

faceman · 13-04-2021 08:25AM

Economics101 wrote: »

The concession to Erasmus students is no doubt the decent thing to do, given their likely personal and financial circumstances. However watch out for the next hard-done group to lobby for "free-fees" quarantine.
What has always been a farcical policy will end up being another immense drain on the Irish Exchequer.

Never mind the hard done by Erasmus students. Seems elite sportspeople have it so much worse the government has dropped their requirement to quarantine full stop. Poor things.

faceman · 13-04-2021 08:31AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Imagine that your relative innocently comes into contact with the vaccinated, Covid free traveller and comes down with Covid.
I believe that it’s best to err on the side of caution.
There have been many dying parents whose children couldn’t be with them in their final hours, even though they live just down the road.

Nonsense

Dempo1 · 13-04-2021 09:04AM

This Mandatory Hotel Quarantine concept has gone from farcical to ludicrous.

Now we're going to pay for self entitled students on erasmus schemes quarantine, I'd like to know how the F**k is this scheme operational during a pandemic in the first place.

Government give people a weeks notice to avoid quarantine, the courts releasing people, the state paying for the Dubai Duo, people just walking out and countries being removed from list on the whim of a minister who's more concerned about his Twitter profile.

This entire debacle is a train wreck waiting to happen and despite the nonsensical idea its cost neutral, legal costs alone are going to be horrendous.

Valhallapt · 13-04-2021 09:18AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

This Mandatory Hotel Quarantine concept has gone from farcical to ludicrous.

Now we're going to pay for self entitled students on erasmus schemes quarantine, I'd like to know how the F**k is this scheme operational during a pandemic in the first place.

Government give people a weeks notice to avoid quarantine, the courts releasing people, the state paying for the Dubai Duo, people just walking out and countries being removed from list on the whim of a minister who's more concerned about his Twitter profile.

This entire debacle is a train wreck waiting to happen and despite the nonsensical idea its cost neutral, legal costs alone are going to be horrendous.

It’s the Twitter mob who insisted on MHQ to begin with. Never made any sense.

Dyr · 13-04-2021 09:30AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

This Mandatory Hotel Quarantine concept has gone from farcical to ludicrous.

Now we're going to pay for self entitled students on erasmus schemes quarantine, I'd like to know how the F**k is this scheme operational during a pandemic in the first place.

Government give people a weeks notice to avoid quarantine, the courts releasing people, the state paying for the Dubai Duo, people just walking out and countries being removed from list on the whim of a minister who's more concerned about his Twitter profile.

This entire debacle is a train wreck waiting to happen and despite the nonsensical idea its cost neutral, legal costs alone are going to be horrendous.

You're right just close the airports altogether, lets stop ****ing around.

Erasmus students ffs, with half the country economy shuttered. Goes to show what the Irish Government will not risk displeasing, and its not the taxpayer

faceman · 13-04-2021 09:44AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

This Mandatory Hotel Quarantine concept has gone from farcical to ludicrous.

Now we're going to pay for self entitled students on erasmus schemes quarantine, I'd like to know how the F**k is this scheme operational during a pandemic in the first place.

Government give people a weeks notice to avoid quarantine, the courts releasing people, the state paying for the Dubai Duo, people just walking out and countries being removed from list on the whim of a minister who's more concerned about his Twitter profile.

This entire debacle is a train wreck waiting to happen and despite the nonsensical idea its cost neutral, legal costs alone are going to be horrendous.

I agree with what you’re saying but strongly disagree with calling Erasmus student self entitled

hotmail.com · 13-04-2021 09:49AM

Valhallapt wrote: »

It’s the Twitter mob who insisted on MHQ to begin with. Never made any sense.

And the Opposition.

13-04-2021 09:51AM

Its a public health measure
Its proper order that the cost of it is paid for erasmus student
Its meant to.benefit us all
Covid is rampant in France so its reasonable to assume its a source of new variants

Red Silurian · 13-04-2021 09:59AM

bluelamp wrote: »

That article is also misleading in fairness - it in no way represents the current risk.

That flight was before masks were mandatory, before pre departure testing, before arrivals testing, and before vaccines.

Whatever risk was present at that point in time, is now minuscule in comparison.

Also important to point out that with very little open in this country at the moment the risk of community spread is quite low...

The issue is if we re-open in the next few weeks and we get our COVID case numbers right down to the levels we had last summer the situation outlined above becomes a real risk again. Pre-departure testing is about as useless as a chocolate teapot as they can be taken up to 3 days before the flight takes off and the vaccines will be a great tool when we get close to herd immunity in 10 years time

faceman wrote: »

I agree with what you’re saying but strongly disagree with calling Erasmus student self entitled

These students were forced to go abroad for their Erasmus or else they wouldn't have been able to graduate - proper order that they shouldn't have to stump up almost 2k after paying 3.5k for their 'free' education

is_that_so · 13-04-2021 10:02AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

These students were forced to go abroad for their Erasmus or else they wouldn't have been able to graduate - proper order that they shouldn't have to stump up almost 2k after paying 3.5k for their 'free' education

And yet it does draw attention to the very crude and increasingly ill thought out method of this being applied.

kirving · 13-04-2021 10:04AM

faceman wrote: »

Seems elite sportspeople have it so much worse the government has dropped their requirement to quarantine full stop. Poor things.

By absolutely any measure, this has evolved into a complete farce. Very slowly at first, and now rather quickly as the government trip over themselves making insane contradictions to appease whoever is the next group in the queue to "seek clarity".

Red Silurian · 13-04-2021 10:05AM

is_that_so wrote: »

And yet it does draw attention to the very crude and increasingly ill thought out method of this being applied.

Exactly, forcing students on Erasmus during a pandemic completely beggars belief

13-04-2021 10:08AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Exactly, forcing students on Erasmus during a pandemic completely beggars belief

Am i correct in my understanding that they were told that if they didn't go on their placement, then they would forfeit that portion of their grading (which was substantial)? If that is true, there shouldn't even be a debate about who should pay

is_that_so · 13-04-2021 10:09AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Exactly, forcing students on Erasmus during a pandemic completely beggars belief

It wasn't a consideration when they went and TBH education for the young trumps many things. There is plenty to go wrong when you are dealing with individuals who should not be in the criminal justice system.

faceman · 13-04-2021 10:13AM

But what about the variants of con.... nevermind.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/update-1-british-variant-of-covid-19-not-as-severe-as-feared-the-lancet-1110397.html

joseywhales · 13-04-2021 10:14AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

the vaccines will be a great tool when we get close to herd immunity in 10 years time

So do you propose mhq for ten years then? Do you imagine the country would financially survive ten years of almost no movement of people?

bombs away · 13-04-2021 10:16AM

Marine Layer wrote: »

Its a public health measure
Its proper order that the cost of it is paid for erasmus student
Its meant to.benefit us all
Covid is rampant in France so its reasonable to assume its a source of new variants

Proper order? Maybe the state should pay for everyone coming in so if it's of benefit to us all. Jesus

And on the point of VAC's, there will always be VAC's with regards to Covid. It's not going to go away when we get herd immunity. It's with us forever now and will evolve as we do. Every scientist agrees that we'll have yearly Covid seasons so the threat of VAC's will always be there. We going to use MHQ's every frigging winter because we're afraid of the next variant? The f***ing mass panic this is causing contributed to in a large part by the media is hilarious.

Dempo1 · 13-04-2021 10:23AM

faceman wrote: »

I agree with what you’re saying but strongly disagree with calling Erasmus student self entitled

Listening to their whinging on the Today with claire Byrne show yesterday explained to me what cohort of student goes on these trips, I somehow doubt students from lower income families go on these holidays masked as study trips, regardless this scheme actually happening during a pandemic is just appalling. Mummy & Daddy should be paying for quarantine not the tax payer.

VeryWise · 13-04-2021 10:25AM

Marine Layer wrote: »

Its a public health measure
Its proper order that the cost of it is paid for erasmus student
Its meant to.benefit us all
Covid is rampant in France so its reasonable to assume its a source of new variants

If that was the true rationale for MHQ then it would be impossible to exempt athletes. If the rugby players can be exempt then the students should be too. It’s either too dangerous or it’s not.

Who would have thought one person could just decide some people get interned for two weeks, some don’t, some pay, some don’t. No published criteria for exemption or who pays. This is a level of power held by an individual Minister to make decisions that is not seen in a democracy.

I saw on another thread a suggestion that people should be randomly tested and those with positive results quarantined, in fairness that is probably more sensible than MHQ but shows how ridiculous the system is.

Personally I don’t know that I want to live in a country where people can be detained to appease public opinion based on the PR judgement of one individual.

faceman · 13-04-2021 10:29AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Listening to their whinging on the Today with claire Byrne show yesterday explained to me what cohort of student goes on these trips, I somehow doubt students from lower income families go on these holidays masked as study trips, regardless this scheme actually happening during a pandemic is just appalling. Mummy & Daddy should be paying for quarantine not the tax payer.

Jaysus man. Little bit of begrudgery there

mmclo · 13-04-2021 10:33AM

VeryWise wrote: »

It’s either too dangerous or it’s not.

Who would have thought one person could just decide some people get interned for two weeks, some don’t, some pay, some don’t. No published criteria for exemption or who pays. This is a level of power held by an individual Minister to make decisions that is not seen in a democracy.

This is the essence of the constitutional challenge and it is a strong one, if the Government just left well enough alone they might prevail but chopping and changing means it can't be a fair, equal and rules based law

Interesting we haven't heard much more about golfers and rugby players yet

normanoffside · 13-04-2021 10:36AM

Dempo1 wrote: »

Listening to their whinging on the Today with claire Byrne show yesterday explained to me what cohort of student goes on these trips, I somehow doubt students from lower income families go on these holidays masked as study trips, regardless this scheme actually happening during a pandemic is just appalling. Mummy & Daddy should be paying for quarantine not the tax payer.

For anyone studying a language as part of their degree; Erasmus is compulsory and counts as 25% of their total degree. The only option to not doing it is taking a year out and doing the placement the following year, but there are no guarantees to the pandemic being over next year either.
Do you expect these students to out their university degrees and lives permanently on hold until you deem it ok for them to go abroad for study?

Red Silurian · 13-04-2021 10:53AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Am i correct in my understanding that they were told that if they didn't go on their placement, then they would forfeit that portion of their grading (which was substantial)? If that is true, there shouldn't even be a debate about who should pay

Your understanding is correct... The real question is what benefit they got from leaving one locked down country where they were studying remotely to go to another locked down country to study remotely - but in fairness you can't blame that one on the students and they certainly shouldn't be paying for their MHQ no more than the NZ rugby team should have paid for theirs at the end of the Tri-Nations last year

normanoffside wrote: »

For anyone studying a language as part of their degree; Erasmus is compulsory and counts as 25% of their total degree. The only option to not doing it is taking a year out and doing the placement the following year, but there are no guarantees to the pandemic being over next year either.
Do you expect these students to out their university degrees and lives permanently on hold until you deem it ok for them to go abroad for study?

I would expect the Universities to have made an exemption to the Erasmus requirement during the pandemic

josip · 13-04-2021 11:00AM

And another one.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0412/1209528-hotel-quarantine-court/

All of the challenges are now starting to take up a lot of valuable court time.

Red Silurian · 13-04-2021 11:04AM

josip wrote: »

And another one.

https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/0412/1209528-hotel-quarantine-court/

All of the challenges are now starting to take up a lot of valuable court time.

Not at all, this is a new system and it is only right that it gets challenged in the courts, it's what our courts are there for. If it turns out that there is a flaw in the system isn't it better we find out as early as possible

FileNotFound · 13-04-2021 11:11AM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Not at all, this is a new system and it is only right that it gets challenged in the courts, it's what our courts are there for. If it turns out that there is a flaw in the system isn't it better we find out as early as possible

Indeed, hopefully the initial cases will pretty much end the discussion and we can all get on with it.

Either way at this stage - sick of hearing non stop demand for quarantine and then as soon as its in non stop demand it end.

The whole thing is like a broken record.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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