Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

Sono Topolino · 12-04-2021 06:00PM

carveone wrote: »

Which is referencing the quarantine challenge court case today, which resulted in: "No need for the case to proceed" (move on, nothing to see here):
https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0412/1209289-coronavirus-quarantine-challenge/

The big problem with most challenges is that by the time they come before the court, the plaintiff most likely will have completed their quarantine period and the case will be moot.

zebastein · 12-04-2021 06:02PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

What it shows is that if the person had either not gone on holidays or quarantined for 14 days on returning it wouldn't have happened, the fact that it was 10 months ago (or 8 months ago in this case) means very little

We either stop people going abroad, logistically I'm not sure how we can do that, or make sure they're quarantined on their return or else keep everything in our own country closed

WHich one of the 3 would you prefer?

You make it sound like the travel is bringing waves of new cases that prevent the country from opening?

If you want the country to reopen, first eliminate the covid in the community. Offaly has been the county with the highest numbers for more than a month, maybe two. I don't believe that there are every week new people coming down a plane and bringing new cases to Offaly, so the virus keeps on spreading by local contacts.

If you have the list of all the covid 19 positive people, that you decide that you don't want to control what they do (they can quarantine at home, they have nothing to prove), then I don't see the reasons why people with a negative PCR test have to be monitored 24/7 for 12days.

If we were Australia, with close to 0 community cases, then you want to control travel, fair enough. If you do virtually nothing to break the transmission chain in the community, then be consistent with your travel rules

gw80 · 12-04-2021 06:19PM

Cymini Sectores wrote: »

A colleague of mine who is a health care worker and should know better is traveling to a high risk country for his wedding. This is a reason for quarantine when back and not a valid reason to travel! While he is fully vaccinated with pfizer, it would be useless against variants. He has got the cash to spare but will be missing work while in quarantine, and has asked me to do some of his shifts. I am pretty conflicted and have thought of reporting him to HR before he travels.

Left for me, I'd rather the government shut down international travel especially people coming from the UK at least till the end of the year

Where does it say Pfizer is useless against variants?

12-04-2021 06:22PM

Cymini Sectores wrote: »

A colleague of mine who is a health care worker and should know better is traveling to a high risk country for his wedding. This is a reason for quarantine when back and not a valid reason to travel! While he is fully vaccinated with pfizer, it would be useless against variants. He has got the cash to spare but will be missing work while in quarantine, and has asked me to do some of his shifts. I am pretty conflicted and have thought of reporting him to HR before he travels.

Left for me, I'd rather the government shut down international travel especially people coming from the UK at least till the end of the year

You’re a healthcare worker and your view is that Pfizer is useless against variants? I call BS on this story

NSAman · 12-04-2021 06:26PM

Sono Topolino wrote: »

The big problem with most challenges is that by the time they come before the court, the plaintiff most likely will have completed their quarantine period and the case will be moot.

Just have a bank of lawyers at the airport..;)

Cynical thing to say, but it seems to be the case those that have legal reps frighten the ****e out of the system.

THese people posed little if any additional health risk, yet were quarantined.

Vaccinated, Negative PCR and still quarantined?

The whole thing is crazy....

Obviously the challenge won't go ahead (still don't understand as they were still detained).

To me it smacks of the system running scared of being challenged.

Jack1985 · 12-04-2021 06:28PM

Cymini Sectores wrote: »

A colleague of mine who is a health care worker and should know better is traveling to a high risk country for his wedding. This is a reason for quarantine when back and not a valid reason to travel! While he is fully vaccinated with pfizer, it would be useless against variants. He has got the cash to spare but will be missing work while in quarantine, and has asked me to do some of his shifts. I am pretty conflicted and have thought of reporting him to HR before he travels.

Left for me, I'd rather the government shut down international travel especially people coming from the UK at least till the end of the year

If he's a healthcare saying that he is grossly ill-informed and I'm not sure his speciality but I wouldn't want him near me or anyone I know.

FileNotFound · 12-04-2021 06:28PM

Deleted User wrote: »

You’re a healthcare worker and your view is that Pfizer is useless against variants? I call BS on this story

I think the real issue is that we assume healthcare workers know anything about the virus and treatments.

Sure some specific ones will but the majority have no more of a clue than most.

Our company had to train healthcare staff on basic techniques at the start of this, not a clue about maintaining simple sterile environments.

It's a great thing to throw out as a line - listen to me - but means little in reality.

12-04-2021 06:29PM

NSAman wrote: »

Just have a bank of lawyers at the airport..;)

Cynical thing to say, but it seems to be the case those that have legal reps frighten the ****e out of the system.

THese people posed little if any additional health risk, yet were quarantined.

Vaccinated, Negative PCR and still quarantined?

The whole thing is crazy....

Obviously the challenge won't go ahead (still don't understand as they were still detained).

To me it smacks of the system running scared of being challenged.

The dubai 2 haven't been released. The challenge on their case is still proceeding

FileNotFound · 12-04-2021 06:31PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The dubai 2 haven't been released. The challenge on their case is still proceeding

Either win or loss in their case will be interesting, finally some clarity and maybe all the constitution experts can have a day off.

12-04-2021 06:33PM

Cymini Sectores wrote: »

A colleague of mine who is a health care worker and should know better is traveling to a high risk country for his wedding. This is a reason for quarantine when back and not a valid reason to travel! While he is fully vaccinated with pfizer, it would be useless against variants. He has got the cash to spare but will be missing work while in quarantine, and has asked me to do some of his shifts. I am pretty conflicted and have thought of reporting him to HR before he travels.

Left for me, I'd rather the government shut down international travel especially people coming from the UK at least till the end of the year

Reported him for what? Getting married? He's going to quarantine on return and is vaccinated.

And of they shut down international travel fully, how would transport workers operate? How would your ppe get in? The medicine you use?

If this was the thought process of my colleagues, I would look for a transfer because they are both asshole and incompetent

namloc1980 · 12-04-2021 06:42PM

Cymini Sectores wrote: »

Left for me, I'd rather the government shut down international travel especially people coming from the UK at least till the end of the year

Ummmmm, you do realize there is a land border with the UK on this island?

smurfjed · 12-04-2021 06:48PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

How do you get a PCR test taken if you can't leave your quarantine location though?

I live in a different country, we have 6/14 isolation depending on the country we arrive from, this is tracked on a phone APP. You can make a PCR appointment from this same APP. 2 hours prior to the PCR, the APP will change your isolation status to permit travel. So the technology is available, unfortunately in ireland the will to use such technology is not there.

Valhallapt · 12-04-2021 06:52PM

Cymini Sectores wrote: »

A colleague of mine who is a health care worker and should know better is traveling to a high risk country for his wedding. This is a reason for quarantine when back and not a valid reason to travel! While he is fully vaccinated with pfizer, it would be useless against variants. He has got the cash to spare but will be missing work while in quarantine, and has asked me to do some of his shifts. I am pretty conflicted and have thought of reporting him to HR before he travels.

Left for me, I'd rather the government shut down international travel especially people coming from the UK at least till the end of the year

He is fully vaccinated.

How do you propose we end lockdown? Sounds like you never want this misery to end.

Father Hernandez · 12-04-2021 06:56PM

Cymini Sectores wrote: »

A colleague of mine who is a health care worker and should know better is traveling to a high risk country for his wedding. This is a reason for quarantine when back and not a valid reason to travel! While he is fully vaccinated with pfizer, it would be useless against variants. He has got the cash to spare but will be missing work while in quarantine, and has asked me to do some of his shifts. I am pretty conflicted and have thought of reporting him to HR before he travels.

Left for me, I'd rather the government shut down international travel especially people coming from the UK at least till the end of the year

Christ this is the worst thing I've read all day.

Reporting him to HR, what a rat thing to do.

This past year has brought out the worst in people.

zebastein · 12-04-2021 07:05PM

What would HR do? Does your employer decide what you do during your time off?

NSAman · 12-04-2021 07:10PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

The dubai 2 haven't been released. The challenge on their case is still proceeding

Neither were vaccinated and didnt have a clear PCR test though.... Big difference!

Lmkrnr · 12-04-2021 07:13PM

Op will be the same co worker who blame's the Groom for a positive covid case in the same county.

I bet it was him he got married in the red zone 3 month's ago, de virus was still in him. Im ringing Joe in de morning.

faceman · 12-04-2021 07:20PM

Won’t someone think of the variants!

https://twitter.com/telegraph/status/1381234655257575425?s=21

MrMusician18 · 12-04-2021 07:30PM

faceman wrote: »

Won’t someone think of the variants!

https://twitter.com/telegraph/status/1381234655257575425?s=21

"Admitted" good old telegraph, present it as a failing.

Ronaldinho · 12-04-2021 07:32PM

zebastein wrote: »

What would HR do? Does your employer decide what you do during your time off?

Employers tend to take a dim view of their staff breaking the law alright.

NSAman · 12-04-2021 07:33PM

So with a large number of infections in India, I am sure a new variant will start up there. It is the nature of viruses to start new strains. This happens with the common flu virus.

If anyone thinks that Covid is going anywhere soon they are delusional. It is going to be something we will have to live with.

So with that in mind, how DO we live with it? Vaccines..... hygiene practises.... screening....

When does this restriction on people who have done the above stop?

Common Sense would tell you that vaccination + testing is the way to go....... UNLESS all this vaccination is useless and then there is no hope at all.....

12-04-2021 07:34PM

NSAman wrote: »

Neither were vaccinated and didnt have a clear PCR test though.... Big difference!

Im aware of the differences. Does not change the fact that there is still a challenge before the courts does it?

12-04-2021 07:35PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

Employers tend to take a dim view of their staff breaking the law alright.

Unless it has a material effect on your employment, its none of their business.

Again, he will be quarantined on return.

WTF is the issue?

Lmkrnr · 12-04-2021 07:37PM

NSAman wrote: »

So with a large number of infections in India, I am sure a new variant will start up there. It is the nature of viruses to start new strains. This happens with the common flu virus.

If anyone thinks that Covid is going anywhere soon they are delusional. It is going to be something we will have to live with.

So with that in mind, how DO we live with it? Vaccines..... hygiene practises.... screening....

When does this restriction on people who have done the above stop?

Common Sense would tell you that vaccination + testing is the way to go....... UNLESS all this vaccination is useless and then there is no hope at all.....

There is hope, 99.9%? Will get on with life.

12-04-2021 07:41PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Unless it has a material effect on your employment, its none of their business.

Again, he will be quarantined on return.

WTF is the issue?

This thread has indeed gone full Tropic Thunder

Ronaldinho · 12-04-2021 07:49PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Unless it has a material effect on your employment, its none of their business.

Again, he will be quarantined on return.

WTF is the issue?

The quarantine is neither here nor there - shouldn't be traveling outside of their 20km never mind the country. Disgraceful.

And they'd want to check the terms of their employment. People have been terminated for less.

caveat emptor · 12-04-2021 07:57PM

Father Hernandez wrote: »

Christ this is the worst thing I've read all day.

Reporting him to HR, what a rat thing to do.

This past year has brought out the worst in people.

Jaysus that is a bit harsh. Is he not allowed to travel? Seems like the person is doing everything they can do to be safe. I don't think it's a good idea to escalate by telling his employer.

I've personally refrained from telling on other people through out this. It's hard enough on everyone. Also watching line of duty has put me off it. :pac:

12-04-2021 08:03PM

Ronaldinho wrote: »

The quarantine is neither here nor there - shouldn't be traveling outside of their 20km never mind the country. Disgraceful.

And they'd want to check the terms of their employment. People have been terminated for less.

Jesus. Worst thing about the pandemic is that it’s shown how many people think like this

NSAman · 12-04-2021 08:06PM

And who said the Borg were just in SciFi movies?

NSAman · 12-04-2021 08:07PM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Im aware of the differences. Does not change the fact that there is still a challenge before the courts does it?

Not at all... but the other two people took all the precautions and were still detained.

The whole thing is a sh1t show.

Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

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