Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

lucernarian wrote: »

This new thread has gone to the dogs tbh. I know it's been a rough day of news but seeing threadbanned users posting away, people based in the UK gloating about having their pint today and something about moving to Portugal, plus the hysteria that "lockdowns and masks will never go away"... How is this being allowed?

What's happening I think is folk starting new threads, banned posters from this thread posting on new one and mods merging them into the original thread.

bodhrandude wrote: »

What's happening I think is folk starting new threads, banned posters from this thread posting on new one and mods merging them into the original thread.

Yes, I understood Beasty's message (least I hope so). When threadbans are involved, confusion is avoided when threads are closed and redirected to the "main" thread

It's unfortunate that the 10k limit was reached on a day like this, I feel some unscrupulous characters took advantage of this.

lucernarian wrote: »

Yes, I understood Beasty's message (least I hope so). When threadbans are involved, confusion is avoided when threads are closed and redirected to the "main" thread

It's unfortunate that the 10k limit was reached on a day like this, I feel some unscrupulous characters took advantage of this.

Who have we wandering around here ?

Australia have rejected J&J (after also suspending AZ) as they don’t want to use adenovirus vector vaccines due to the blood clotting concerns. Looks like they’ll be sticking to Pfizer and Moderna (and possible one or two others which are still in the pipeline)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-13/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-australia/100064454/

I know this is not a very scientific way of putting it, but to use a very old phrase, I wouldn't touch the Astra Zeneca vaccine with a barge pole.

Turtwig wrote: »

I would be optimistic though that we could catch up quite quickly. To date supply has being the constraint. If this means AZ is held back a few days we should have no real problem in catching up.

My biggest concern here is what happens if J & J produces the risk outcome as AZ? We're reliant on that single dose vaccine to do a lot of heavy lifting for our later summer targets. If that one get's age restricted things could get very awkward.

Heaven forbid the supply of the mRNA vaccines gets disrupted.

My thoughts exactly
Similar issues with J& J along with" capillary leak syndrome " being investigated.
It will be very difficult having vaccinated over 60s if J& J cannot be given to younger people.

Think that they have been a little too cautious with the age group restricted to AZ and maybe it will be revised downwards to 40 + being allowed to get it .
I wonder is this decision influenced by the uncertainty around AZ supply also?

rm212 wrote: »

That’s my situation. 25 with a medical condition and got the first dose... really wish I hadn’t as I’ve just lost all confidence in it being a good and effective vaccine. Seems like it’s crap against some of the currently spreading variants (eg. South African). If I had known I’d get the Pfizer or Moderna if I had held out a few more weeks, I would have bit your hand off. I’m just isolating anyway. Actually, I’d probably have gotten both doses of Pfizer before getting AZ dose 2.

Replied to your post in the AZ thread.

If your referring to it being crap against South African variant I'm assuming your relating this to the god awful study in South Africa that's been discussed on the thread a few times (old thread now)

You've been given an effective vaccine that's proving itself to prevent serious illness, prevent death and reduce transmission. Honestly your over thinking it.

obviously this has turned into a sh*tshow, no major surprise.

What I cant understand is how there is talk of not using AZ tomorrow. surely they are not going to suspend them for over 60s tomorrow, then in a few days say ok its safe now roll uo your sleeves! I'm Irish people will accept this as we now are happy to take any sub par service and explanation available but to me its a joke to come out and say over 60s all good nothing to fear but oh hang on a few days just need to double check.

Should open the portal tomorrow for over 60s to register for vaccine to show confidence in the vaccine and keep on track in the ultimate goal to get everyone vaccinated and open up - that is the goal i think though sometimes it seems that opening society and getting people back to work is nowhere on our agenda

rm212 wrote: »

I’m talking about this study, not sure if it’s the same one you’re taking about?
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2102214?query=featured_home

Yeah thats the one.

More holes in it than Swiss cheese

Good bit on it back in the previous thread.

brendanwalsh wrote: »

Astra is done guys.

What an awful awful vaccine.

Feel bad for anyone with a first dose but at least they had no side effects then they dodged the bullet. I Would not get the second dose and would wait till Pfizer comes available

I'd consider myself relatively well informed and I'd lick my second dose off a rats arsé given the opportunity. If you want to feel bad, feel bad that I might not be given the opportunity to exercise choice in the fate of my second dose but do not feel bad for me because I received one dose of what is suddenly an "awful vaccine". This awful vaccine has saved thousands of lives to date.

Miike wrote: »

Look at the confidence intervals of that study.

They’re large yes, but even in the most optimistic case of them being at the absolute maximum... it’s still not amazing protection. Especially for the severe infection.

Well, we will see a real life example with the UK starting to re-open, I suppose.

About the UK - Let's hope they don't see an increase in cases as a reason to tighten their restrictions. The vaccine goes beyond case numbers. I thought I read their CMO even said that there'll be an increase in cases but not hospitalisations or deaths so no need to panic.

Some common sense IMO. If that was our lot and our cases increased, MM would be back on the podium with a solemn look on his face.

rm212 wrote: »

Australia have rejected J&J (after also suspending AZ) as they don’t want to use adenovirus vector vaccines due to the blood clotting concerns. Looks like they’ll be sticking to Pfizer and Moderna (and possible one or two others which are still in the pipeline)

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-13/johnson-johnson-covid-19-vaccine-australia/100064454/

Should be added that there is far less pressure on them - they only have a few cases a day and the country is effectively cut off from outside. It's much easier for them to be picky and choosy.