Vaccine Megathread - See OP for threadbans

funnydoggy

A nice read:

Doug Corrigan pushing bad science and anti-vax tropes about mRNA vaccines

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/doug-corrigan-pushing-bad-science-and-anti-vax-tropes-about-mrna-vaccines/

is_that_so

adam240610 wrote: »

Everyone panicking and calling the astra vaccine ****e and useless need to calm down a bit. Seemingly there's around a one in a million chance of developing a fatal clot from a first dose of the vaccine, which would correspond to maybe one or two people in the entire country considering how much work BioNtech and others are putting up.

Covid has killed thousands in Ireland, and not using these vaccines to save one or two lives will most definitely lead to a greater number of deaths, not to mention the increased economic impact of delaying the rollout.

There's a lot of hyperbole and incorrect statements going around in this thread at the minute, giving out this vaccine as it comes in has a net positive on the number of lives saved overall. If we really wanted to stay somewhat cautious, which we should, giving astra to over 30s or 40s wouldn't affect the rollout time at all, but over 60 seems like overkill

AZ will finish its work for those already on one shot unless that health issue emerges. The positive from this is that AZ has now been assigned to one age category. We won't get to the 30s and 40s for quite some time, now looking more like July. By then we'll have a lot more Pfizer, J&J, Moderna and probably CureVac.

stephenjmcd

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

You mean an article completely lacking citations on a website called science with Dr. Doug isn't legitimate? I need to reevaluate my sources.

There's a market for science with Doctor Jimbob if you really want to push the boat out

josip

hmmm wrote: »

The worst thing about this is the safety overkill from Western regulators is going to damage confidence throughout the world. The Oxford vaccine is the only affordable option for many poorer countries.

There is also Sinopharm although its efficacy is less than AZ.
A relative tested positive for Covid yesterday, 4 weeks after her 2nd Sinopharm dose, quite a common occurrence.
Mild, cold-like symptoms only.

funnydoggy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

There's a market for science with Doctor Jimbob if you really want to push the baot out

What about me?:pac:


"Pretending to do science with funnydog" sounds quite lovely. I'd read it:o

Miike

patnor1011 wrote: »

I guess that I wil wait for more studies particularly possible long time effect and delayed response. Folks at Harvard and MIT seems to stumbled onto something.

Researchers from Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) are warning that the messenger RNA (mRNA) technology used in Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “vaccines” has the capability to forever alter recipients’ genomic DNA, making them more susceptible to disease and death.

Their December preprint paper contains findings about wild coronaviruses that challenge the CDC’s (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) narrative that synthetic mRNA from Chinese virus injections cannot enter cell nuclei where DNA resides. It also questions the CDC claim that cells get rid of this synthetic mRNA “soon after it is finished using the programmed instructions.”

“Under ordinary circumstances, the body makes (‘transcribes’) mRNA from the DNA in a cell’s nucleus. The mRNA then travels out of the nucleus into the cytoplasm, where it provides instructions about which proteins to make,” explains Children’s Health Defense (CHD) about how the process works naturally.

“By comparison, mRNA vaccines send their chemically synthesized mRNA payload (bundled with spike protein-manufacturing instructions) directly into the cytoplasm,” it adds about how the synthetic mRNA found in Wuhan flu shots functions.

Biochemist and molecular biologist Doug Corrigan, PhD, and his team say they were perplexed as to why many people who had already been injected for Chinese germs with synthetic mRNA still tested “positive” for them later on down the road. What they ultimately determined is that mRNA “vaccines” may be permanently altering human DNA through reverse transcription.

Their paper explains that SARS-CoV-2 RNA s “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” contrary to what the CDC claims. Further, “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed,” this being a phenomenon known as “retro-integration.”

n Corrigan’s view, the information contained in his preprint “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.” The DNA-to-mRNA pathway is not a one-way street like the CDC claims. Reverse transcriptase enzymes do, in fact, have the ability to convert RNA into DNA, which can then integrate back into cell nuclei DNA. More than 40 percent of mammalian genomes, it turns out, comprise the products of reverse transcription.

“The preliminary evidence cited by the Harvard-MIT researchers indicates that endogenous reverse transcriptase enzymes may facilitate reverse transcription of coronavirus RNAs and trigger their integration into the human genome,” CHD explains.

The potential result of this, Corrigan and his team warn, is “a more severe immune response” among the “vaccinated” when they are exposed to wild-type illness – think cytokine storm or autoimmune disease.

https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/11/27/will-an-rna-vaccine-permanently-alter-my-dna/

https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2021/02/15/breaking-study-sheds-more-light-on-whether-an-rna-vaccine-can-permanently-alter-dna/

What a load of absolute drivel. Anyone with leaving cert biology can explain the process of reverse transcription and what is required for that process. None of the components of which exist in vaccines or SARS-CoV-2.

ACitizenErased

funnydoggy wrote: »

A nice read:

Doug Corrigan pushing bad science and anti-vax tropes about mRNA vaccines

https://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/doug-corrigan-pushing-bad-science-and-anti-vax-tropes-about-mrna-vaccines/

Calling him a quack got me :pac:

patnor1011

patnor1011 wrote: »

I guess that I wil wait for more studies particularly possible long time effect and delayed response. Folks at Harvard and MIT seems to stumbled onto something.

Researchers from Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) are warning that the messenger RNA (mRNA) technology used in Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “vaccines” has the capability to forever alter recipients’ genomic DNA, making them more susceptible to disease and death.

Their December preprint paper contains findings about wild coronaviruses that challenge the CDC’s (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) narrative that synthetic mRNA from Chinese virus injections cannot enter cell nuclei where DNA resides. It also questions the CDC claim that cells get rid of this synthetic mRNA “soon after it is finished using the programmed instructions.”

“Under ordinary circumstances, the body makes (‘transcribes’) mRNA from the DNA in a cell’s nucleus. The mRNA then travels out of the nucleus into the cytoplasm, where it provides instructions about which proteins to make,” explains Children’s Health Defense (CHD) about how the process works naturally.

“By comparison, mRNA vaccines send their chemically synthesized mRNA payload (bundled with spike protein-manufacturing instructions) directly into the cytoplasm,” it adds about how the synthetic mRNA found in Wuhan flu shots functions.

Biochemist and molecular biologist Doug Corrigan, PhD, and his team say they were perplexed as to why many people who had already been injected for Chinese germs with synthetic mRNA still tested “positive” for them later on down the road. What they ultimately determined is that mRNA “vaccines” may be permanently altering human DNA through reverse transcription.

Their paper explains that SARS-CoV-2 RNA s “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” contrary to what the CDC claims. Further, “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed,” this being a phenomenon known as “retro-integration.”

n Corrigan’s view, the information contained in his preprint “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.” The DNA-to-mRNA pathway is not a one-way street like the CDC claims. Reverse transcriptase enzymes do, in fact, have the ability to convert RNA into DNA, which can then integrate back into cell nuclei DNA. More than 40 percent of mammalian genomes, it turns out, comprise the products of reverse transcription.

“The preliminary evidence cited by the Harvard-MIT researchers indicates that endogenous reverse transcriptase enzymes may facilitate reverse transcription of coronavirus RNAs and trigger their integration into the human genome,” CHD explains.

The potential result of this, Corrigan and his team warn, is “a more severe immune response” among the “vaccinated” when they are exposed to wild-type illness – think cytokine storm or autoimmune disease.

https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/11/27/will-an-rna-vaccine-permanently-alter-my-dna/

https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2021/02/15/breaking-study-sheds-more-light-on-whether-an-rna-vaccine-can-permanently-alter-dna/

That's a notorious anti-vax group.

Russman

Man, I miss the old vaccines thread

patnor1011

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Both articles are simply idle speculation. From the second article:

"Again, this is a theoretical exercise I am presenting for consideration. I am not making the claim that an mRNA vaccine will permanently alter your genomic DNA, and I didn’t make this claim in my first article, although it appears that troll sites made the fallacious claim that I did."

That is science and how it works. Someone make claim and then others try to disprove it. So far nobody disproved fact that they mRNA may alter or "programming" may go wrong.

Also we based a lot of our responses on idle speculations like how many people would die without lockdowns or how vaccines wil save us and how safe they are and then we have this which is not that "idle speculation" ....

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES=COVID-19&VAXMAN=PFIZER/BIONTECH

funnydoggy

Sunday 11th April: +5,272


https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-11-april-2021.pdf

is_that_so

patnor1011 wrote: »

Sure but we based a lot of our responses on idle speculations like how many people would die without lockdowns or how vaccines wil save us and how safe they are and then we have this which is not that "idle speculation" ....

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES=COVID-19&VAXMAN=PFIZER/BIONTECH

Is there a point to this or is it just a sneaky way to get CT/anti-vax stuff onto other threads?

SheepsClothing

In light of AZ being prescribed for only over 60's, why aren't we giving it to over 70's now? If they can only go to 60 - 69 year old's, many vaccines are going to be left idle when June comes around and the overall vaccine roll out will be delayed.

ACitizenErased

Russman wrote: »

Man, I miss the old vaccines thread

The last 72 hours on here have been bat**** crazy

Bubbaclaus

patnor1011 wrote: »

That is science and how it works. Someone make claim and then others try to disprove it. So far nobody disproved fact that they mRNA may alter or "programming" may go wrong.

There is a human colony living under the surface of Pluto that was planted there by aliens.

I have no evidence of this, but it is up to you to prove me wrong. That's how it works apparently.

dominatinMC

Russman wrote: »

Man, I miss the old vaccines thread

Can we not go back to the old thread, or at least a continuation of it. Used to be the best thing about Boards..

is_that_so

SheepsClothing wrote: »

In light of AZ being prescribed for only over 60's, why aren't we giving it to over 70's now? If they can only go to 60 - 69 year old's, many vaccines are going to be left idle when June comes around and the overall vaccine roll out will be delayed.

Not necessarily, we can't say what will be known about this issue in 3 months and COVAX will happily take what we don't want.

iamwhoiam

SheepsClothing wrote: »

In light of AZ being prescribed for only over 60's, why aren't we giving it to over 70's now? If they can only go to 60 - 69 year old's, many vaccines are going to be left idle when June comes around and the overall vaccine roll out will be delayed.

The vast majority of over 70 have already had one dose of Pfizer .

Icantthinkof1

What about people 60-69 who have medical conditions that put them at high risk of Covid will they be offered rna vaccines or is it literally everyone 60-69 gets AZ?

Miike

patnor1011 wrote: »

That is science and how it works. Someone make claim and then others try to disprove it. So far nobody disproved fact that they mRNA may alter or "programming" may go wrong.

Also we based a lot of our responses on idle speculations like how many people would die without lockdowns or how vaccines wil save us and how safe they are and then we have this which is not that "idle speculation" ....

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES=COVID-19&VAXMAN=PFIZER/BIONTECH

That is not how science works. Someone makes a claim, puts forward a hypothesis and tests it, examines the results and publishes them with a conclusion. Others will test the hypothesis, the procedure, the results and if it is replicable.

Science is not some essential oil peddling twat makes outlandish ill informed claims and is right until proven otherwise.

patnor1011

patnor1011 wrote: »

I guess that I wil wait for more studies particularly possible long time effect and delayed response. Folks at Harvard and MIT seems to stumbled onto something.

Researchers from Harvard University and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) are warning that the messenger RNA (mRNA) technology used in Wuhan coronavirus (Covid-19) “vaccines” has the capability to forever alter recipients’ genomic DNA, making them more susceptible to disease and death.

Their December preprint paper contains findings about wild coronaviruses that challenge the CDC’s (Centers for Disease Control and Prevention) narrative that synthetic mRNA from Chinese virus injections cannot enter cell nuclei where DNA resides. It also questions the CDC claim that cells get rid of this synthetic mRNA “soon after it is finished using the programmed instructions.”

“Under ordinary circumstances, the body makes (‘transcribes’) mRNA from the DNA in a cell’s nucleus. The mRNA then travels out of the nucleus into the cytoplasm, where it provides instructions about which proteins to make,” explains Children’s Health Defense (CHD) about how the process works naturally.

“By comparison, mRNA vaccines send their chemically synthesized mRNA payload (bundled with spike protein-manufacturing instructions) directly into the cytoplasm,” it adds about how the synthetic mRNA found in Wuhan flu shots functions.

Biochemist and molecular biologist Doug Corrigan, PhD, and his team say they were perplexed as to why many people who had already been injected for Chinese germs with synthetic mRNA still tested “positive” for them later on down the road. What they ultimately determined is that mRNA “vaccines” may be permanently altering human DNA through reverse transcription.

Their paper explains that SARS-CoV-2 RNA s “can be reverse transcribed in human cells,” contrary to what the CDC claims. Further, “these DNA sequences can be integrated into the cell genome and subsequently be transcribed,” this being a phenomenon known as “retro-integration.”

n Corrigan’s view, the information contained in his preprint “validates that this is at least plausible, and most likely probable.” The DNA-to-mRNA pathway is not a one-way street like the CDC claims. Reverse transcriptase enzymes do, in fact, have the ability to convert RNA into DNA, which can then integrate back into cell nuclei DNA. More than 40 percent of mammalian genomes, it turns out, comprise the products of reverse transcription.

“The preliminary evidence cited by the Harvard-MIT researchers indicates that endogenous reverse transcriptase enzymes may facilitate reverse transcription of coronavirus RNAs and trigger their integration into the human genome,” CHD explains.

The potential result of this, Corrigan and his team warn, is “a more severe immune response” among the “vaccinated” when they are exposed to wild-type illness – think cytokine storm or autoimmune disease.

https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/11/27/will-an-rna-vaccine-permanently-alter-my-dna/

https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2021/02/15/breaking-study-sheds-more-light-on-whether-an-rna-vaccine-can-permanently-alter-dna/

Seems a legitimate source

The Author of Light – Did God Reveal His Identity in the Physics of Light?
New Book by Dr. Doug Corrigan

I have always wondered how it feels to be a patsy for assorted charlatans/anti-vac/ pseudo scientific nut jobs?

lucernarian

patnor1011 wrote: »

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Biochemist and molecular biologist Doug Corrigan, PhD, and his team say they were perplexed as to why many people who had already been injected for Chinese germs with synthetic mRNA still tested “positive” for them later on down the road. What they ultimately determined is that mRNA “vaccines” may be permanently altering human DNA through reverse transcription.


https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2020/11/27/will-an-rna-vaccine-permanently-alter-my-dna/

https://sciencewithdrdoug.com/2021/02/15/breaking-study-sheds-more-light-on-whether-an-rna-vaccine-can-permanently-alter-dna/

This is a pile of "hot" steaming garbage, full of "Chinese germs" bollix that no "scientist" would write "about".

If anyone can tell me how to use even more quotemarks to make my posts more sexy, please let me know.

And reverse transcription absolutely cannot be used like that with those vaccines, it's laughable.

Micky 32

:pac:

Deleted User wrote: »

Seems a legitimate source




I have always wondered how it feels to be a patsy for assorted charlatans/anti-vac/ pseudo scientific nut jobs?

Quote:
The Author of Light – Did God Reveal His Identity in the Physics of Light?
New Book by Dr. Dougal Corrigan. :pac:

Le Bruise

ACitizenErased wrote: »

The last 72 hours on here have been bat**** crazy

It's unreal!

I haven't posted much the last week or so as I got a bit of 'COVID fatigue' constantly trying to stay up to date with everything. Decided to pop back in for a gander just as the news started to break about Astra. God bless the sane and measured posters who have stuck around to battle the influx of conspiracy/anti-vax stuff!

iguana

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

What in the feck is this gibberish?

I feel that any article which calls Covid 19 'the Wuhan flu' has all the credibility of used toilet paper.

Deeper Blue

patnor1011 wrote: »

That is science and how it works. Someone make claim and then others try to disprove it. So far nobody disproved fact that they mRNA may alter or "programming" may go wrong.

Also we based a lot of our responses on idle speculations like how many people would die without lockdowns or how vaccines wil save us and how safe they are and then we have this which is not that "idle speculation" ....

https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19&VAXTYPES=COVID-19&VAXMAN=PFIZER/BIONTECH

Thank you for educating us, it's clear that you are better informed than 99.9% of the world's scientists. Not all heroes wear capes etc.

KrustyUCC

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

What about people 60-69 who have medical conditions that put them at high risk of Covid will they be offered rna vaccines or is it literally everyone 60-69 gets AZ?

It should be only AZ for everyone in that bracket as they're the only ones who can new doses but I'm sure if people refuse AZ they'll get a different vaccine at another time

weisses

patnor1011 wrote: »

That is science and how it works. Someone make claim and then others try to disprove it.

Definition of science

Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world following a systematic methodology based on evidence.

Now try again

MrStuffins

Popping back into this thread after a couple of days break...........

trellheim

Shot Plot Update as of 11 April. Low points Sundays