Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

seamusk84 wrote: »

That is not a “plan” in the slightest definition of the word. It’s completely arbitrary, gives no sense of clarity and I don’t mean dates: I mean the actual various stages of restriction lifting.

Like when can we meet in our gardens? Jeeze even something that simple, at what stage does that occur. Bloody hell this is just unreal at this stage.

Yeah i do love the GAA but having it down as one of the main stuff lifted is idiotic. Like why make such a huge deal of it

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I see your mindset here.

I take it that you dont believe that fundamental civil rights should be curbed on a lightest touch possible basis and that restrictions and measures should actually stand up to scrutiny and be under constant review.

You're more like a discipline-the-bold-children kind of guy and to hell with human rights.

Me personally I believe the reason we're in this mess is all this gullibility on show.

You clearly don't understand my mindset at all.

Out of interest, what fundamental rights are you referring to when you mention them being curbed. The constitution clearly lays them out but they're subject to interpretation and one person's right to do one thing doesn't necessarily take precedence over the greater good of society.

Graham wrote: »

Finally, something we agree on

Of course some rights have been restricted, there's a pandemic.

Well GooglePlus just asked me which rights were curbed. As if that was a question.

normanoffside wrote: »

Yeah presymptomatic and Asymptomatic carriers combined pass it on to 1 in 142 people that they live with.
The Studies mention both.

Symptomatic people pass it on 25 times more frequently, they are the ones that need to be identified in order to stop disease spread but you are not allowed to go to these test centres if you have symptoms.

Therefore the walk in centres only purpose is case mining.

Your information seems to be wrong, or at least contradicted by the following (Jan 2021) ...

see https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2774707
"the model presented here estimated that more than half of transmission comes from asymptomatic individuals. In the absence of effective and widespread use of therapeutics or vaccines that can shorten or eliminate infectivity, successful control of SARS-CoV-2 cannot rely solely on identifying and isolating symptomatic cases"

Deleted User wrote: »

Why did life carry on as normal during the 1968 flu pandemic? Woodstock even took place during it.

That is a misleading claim.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-woodstock-pandemic-1968-idUSKBN22J2MJ

Lumen wrote: »

That is a misleading claim.

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-woodstock-pandemic-1968-idUSKBN22J2MJ

Well what pandemic measures were in place anyway that would have stopped it being held even during the peak? As far as I was aware, life carried on as normal throughout the whole thing. No masks, no gathering restrictions etc. Would a festival like Woodstock be able to take place now, even if it is "between waves" as they state? Highly unlikely.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Are you saying that none of our rights are being curbed? Because last time I looked my business was shut down and if I want to leave my town I have to tell guards a story never mind leaving the country or meeting a family member or friend.

Zero scrutiny. They are allowed to make things up on the spot, even things we already know are useless. With zero control. But of course its for the greater good. I guess so is another 50b deficit, widespread SME ruination and cancelling health services based on some amateur spreadsheet models of which none have come true at any stage.

I didn't say certain rights weren't being curbed, I asked you to point me directly to which ones were being curbed in our constitution. I also pointed out that our rights are guaranteed by the constitution as long as they don't become inconsistent with the wider constitution itself. You'd do well reading it before spouting on about your rights being breached, as they're actually not. Our constitution gives plenty of room for interpretation and if your given rights are seen to impact wider society or impose on the rights of others, the rights you might consider a given are no longer that.

Deleted User wrote: »

But it's still accurate to say it took place during it.

It would be equally accurate, misleading and meaningless to say that outdoor concerts in New Zealand have gone on during this pandemic.

I'm not sure whether you were making the argument out of ignorance or bad faith, but moving the goalposts now isn't helping

Deleted User wrote: »

During that pandemic life carried on as normal. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns. But during this one normal has become a 'new normal'.

So did they lock down, and still had 400,000 people die from that flu in the US, in 1968?

If not then it's completely not comparable to covid, is it?

growleaves wrote: »

Yes it is very extreme. There is a seeming unending supply of corrupt people who will support any measure no matter how harsh or how dubious the benefit and some have asked for mass arrests, martial law, and long prison sentences to stop things like people hanging out with their friends.

The controlled demolition of the economy, papered over by debt-based fiscal and monetary stimulus, has no precedent that I can think of - maybe in colonial days?

I think you may have strayed out of the conspiracy forum!!

So tomorrow will be the end of the 5km travel restriction but when does it look like we'll see country wide travel resume again ? I've a feeling the end of May but that's just a wild guess.

The county wide travel thing is all good and well until you remember the county you live in is Cavan...