Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Graham

Graham wrote: »

Kinda makes sense in the context of a pandemic don't you think?

Not when it's not happening in other countries. Going more than 5km from your home in Ireland is extremely dangerous. Traveling around the whole of Sweden is fine.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

Not when it's not happening in other countries.

I'm relieved we're not one of those countries. YMMV

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CalamariFritti wrote: »

Freedom of Assembly and Article 5 of the European Human Rights Convention immediately comes to mind.

I know they can be curbed but only due to emergencies threatening the life of the nation. I guess we would be going back and forth forever over this but an emergency and a potential emergency or a past emergency are not the same thing. Hence me going on about scrutiny and constant review.

In any case assuming we are still in national emergency rights can be curbed but what was happening over the last 12 months is taking the piss. 5km, masks, €9 meals, dont turn the TV too loud.

Unfortunately the law doesn't take your personal feelings into account and fighting that which is made to be impartial to emotion with emotion is a battle you'll never win. It is what it is until our legislation is changed but that's a discussion for another day, not now. We have what we have in front of us, there's no point going on about what's that far ahead of us or to either side.

Freedom of Assembly is a right given to all citizens, unless seen as inconsistent with the wider constitution. There's no point even mentioning that in your argument because the law is the law and no right has been breached.

Graham

Graham wrote: »

I'm relieved we're not one of those countries. YMMV

You'd rather be restricted to 5km within your home than to able to travel around a country?

LineOfBeauty

Throwing it out there, anyone speculate on when any kind of even non contact team sport training will return for adults? It'd really be nice to have at least that to look forward to each week.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd rather be restricted to 5km within your home than to able to travel around a country?

I'll file that under "things I've never said".

paddyisreal

LineOfBeauty wrote: »

Throwing it out there, anyone speculate on when any kind of even non contact team sport training will return for adults? It'd really be nice to have at least that to look forward to each week.

I would say mid May to hazard a guess. We have organised our own game now twice a week with the long evenings as known our crowd it might be spetember!

Graham

Graham wrote: »

I'll file that under "things I've never said".

I didn't say you did. I'm asking.

Graham

Deleted User wrote: »

You'd rather be restricted to 5km within your home than to able to travel around a country?

Deleted User wrote: »

I didn't say you did. I'm asking.

Would I rather be restricted to 5km?

Funnily enough, no. Like most people I'd rather not.

In fact I'd really rather there were no restrictions but I recognise there's a pandemic so some thing are, have been, or will be, necessary. I'm quite sure most of us would 'rather' they weren't.

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Graham wrote: »

Would I rather be restricted to 5km?

Funnily enough, no. Like most people I'd rather not.

In fact I'd really rather there were no restrictions but I recognise there's a pandemic so some thing are, have been, or will be, necessary. I'm quite sure most of us would 'rather' they weren't.

The problem is that many individuals will abide by any restrictions, irrespective of how 'necessary' they are. Many restrictions currently in place are overkill, devoid of any logic and are doing more damage than good. People shouldn't be so compliant with restrictions that have no evidence, logic or reasoning in place to support them.

facehugger99

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

So tomorrow will be the end of the 5km travel restriction but when does it look like we'll see country wide travel resume again ?

Tomorrow.

AlekSmart

walus wrote: »

The fact that covid is the deadliest disease ever known to humanity should be a common knowledge at this point. I’m surprised that people are still questioning how we could give it a priority over other trivial diseases (i.e. cancer) or other irrelevant issues such as poverty and hunger. Anybody questioning the current policies should be charged with a thought crime at this point.

(Not.)

You may not realise it,but that " (Not) " really is a required part of your post.....:(

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Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

So tomorrow will be the end of the 5km travel restriction but when does it look like we'll see country wide travel resume again ? I've a feeling the end of May but that's just a wild guess.

Officially who knows. Maybe May or June. Realistically inter County travel will resume tomorrow. It will be near on impossible to police county restrictions with a 20km radius into other counties for those near county borders and I don't imagine the Guards have much interest besides a few PR stunts. Can imagine they will focus on stopping house parties and large gatherings.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

During that pandemic life carried on as normal. No masks, no social distancing, no lockdowns. But during this one normal has become a 'new normal'.

Not even new normal more like ‘abnormal.’

Graham

11521323 wrote: »

The problem is that many individuals will abide by any restrictions, irrespective of how 'necessary' they are. Many restrictions currently in place are overkill, devoid of any logic and are doing more damage than good. People shouldn't be so compliant with restrictions that have no evidence, logic or reasoning in place to support them.

Unfortunately for your argument, I have and can see the evidence, logic and reasoning for the restrictions.

It's odd that you'd assume anyone that disagrees with you hasn't.

AlekSmart

shtpEdthePlum wrote: »

So HCWs can't live our lives now, even though we have risked them and in some cases lost them while working throughout this pandemic. We are also the guinea pigs for the vaccines (see: the nurse who got a rare blood clot due to AZ vaccine this week) and it's still unclear how long vaccination confers immunity. So we could be wasting months of precious immunity because bitter sad individuals won't want us to be free until they have their freedom too?

I mean, it's true but it's pathetic and those people need to take a look at themselves.

That "period of unclarity" is indeed of interest.

Is there room for a clash of interests between the Pharmacutical Industry and it's customers here ?

GPoint

facehugger99 wrote: »

Tomorrow.

Could be that we're going to see a few articles telling us that there are check points still on the main routes between counties and they might stay in place for some time. This will discourage some from taking a trip and then when checkpoints removed hear say will take some time until people realise they can travel.

AlekSmart

Sharpyshoot wrote: »

Sweden only wished it had or nphet.

No it does'nt...It had Bjorn Borg & The Swedish Chef instead,and probably every bit as effective !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY_Yf4zz-yo&ab_channel=MalNichtEgal

walus

Graham wrote: »

Yeah, that makes even less sense.

I'm going to file that under conspiracy theory.

Careful what you wish for.

AlekSmart

Deleted User wrote: »

Late March.

But look at the difference in that messaging compared with this kind of stuff: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rochelle-walensky-cdc-chief-covid-concern/

"I'm going to pause here, I'm going to lose the script and I'm going to reflect on the recurring feeling I have of impending doom,"

In the UK the messaging from SAGE is similar to the above. Every other day it seems there's a doomsday prediction from SAGE, or from a member of SAGE.

They're testing, but they don't test people who don't have symptoms. And they don't panic or be "extremely concerned" about an increase in case numbers. That's not the case in other Western European countries. People seem to be terrified whenever there's an increase in case numbers.

It's all part of " The Message " just as here in The Republic....

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/882722/25-options-for-increasing-adherence-to-social-distancing-measures-22032020.pdf

Coercion.

Compulsion:

Experience with UK enforcement legislation such as compulsory seat belt use suggests that,with adequatepreparation, rapid change can be achieved
(16).Some other countries have introducedmandatory self-isolation on a wide scale without evidence of major public unrest and a large majority ofthe UK’s population appear to be supportive of more coercive measures. For example, 64% adults inGreat Britain said they would support putting London under a ‘lock down’

(17).However, data from Italyand South Korea suggest that for aggressive protective measures to be effective, special attention shouldbe devoted to those population groups that are more at risk

(18).In addition, communities need to beengaged to minimise risk of negative effects.Consideration should be given to enacting legislation, withcommunity involvement,to compel key social distancing measures.8.

Social disapproval:Social disapproval from one’s community can play an important role in preventing anti-social behaviour or discouraging failureto enact pro-social behaviour

(15). However, this needs tobe carefully managed to avoid victimisation, scapegoating and misdirected criticism. It needs to beaccompanied by clear messaging and promotion of strong collective identity. Consideration should begiven to use of social disapproval but with a strong caveat around unwanted negative consequences.

She is on the money about that feeling of doom.....but it has sweet FA to do with Covid.

11521323

Graham wrote: »

Unfortunately for your argument, I have and can see the evidence, logic and reasoning for the restrictions.

It's odd that you'd assume anyone that disagrees with you hasn't.

There's no point in anyone replying to you. Continue parroting your illogical fallacies, I'm glad barely anyone agrees with you. Good night.

FintanMcluskey

Watching reeling in the years 2010

A placard at a protest read “127,000 out of work for a year”.

€67,000,000,000 bailout required at the time

Minuscule numbers compared to now

It took the IMF intervention to steady the ship then and I believe it’s inevitable they will return

They will be needed to actually ensure we have funds for a functioning health service

gansi

gansi wrote: »

Not even new normal more like ‘abnormal.’

Yes, that's more accurate. Thanks.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Watching reeling in the years 2010

A placard at a protest read “127,000 out of work for a year”.

€67,000,000,000 bailout required at the time

Minuscule numbers compared to now

It took the IMF intervention to steady the ship then and I believe it’s inevitable they will return

They will be needed to actually ensure we have funds for a functioning health service

2010 was horrific thousands upon thousands left, the news used to show the airports full of people leaving because of the dire unemployment situation here. I know loads of people who left. The recovery came after bail out but it took a long time.

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FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Watching reeling in the years 2010

A placard at a protest read “127,000 out of work for a year”.

€67,000,000,000 bailout required at the time

Minuscule numbers compared to now

It took the IMF intervention to steady the ship then and I believe it’s inevitable they will return

They will be needed to actually ensure we have funds for a functioning health service

Not the same thing at all. The global, European and our own financial system are in a much different and better position. 11 years is a long time, our economy makes most of its money from those still in work right now (most of the workforce still are), comparing the national books now to 2010 is like comparing apples and oranges.

jd1983

Deleted User wrote: »

That just doesn't stand up to any scrutiny whatsoever.

If the pubs were open, the growth of the virus would have been greater, not slower.

How can you then equate this "slower" growth with more immunity? Why would there be a greater number of immune people if the virus wasn't infecting as many people?

You become immune from getting the virus. If the pubs stayed open in summer, more people would have got the virus during the summer but the numbers would have still been low, allowing us to protect the vulnerable in hospitals and so on. The spread would then be much lower during the winter, as more people would be immune. Therefore we wouldn't have had such a steep surge at the exact same time when hospitals are at their busiest.
Flatten the curve assumes a spread of the disease but it tries to avoid a significant amount of people getting it at the same time, like what happened in Ireland. I reckon we'll be a case study in years to come in college courses for what not to do in a pandemic.

PTH2009

Why did NPHET release a statement today ?

The Media will dig out something negative tomorrow don't worry

AlekSmart

Graham wrote: »

Unfortunately for your argument, I have and can see the evidence, logic and reasoning for the restrictions.

It's odd that you'd assume anyone that disagrees with you hasn't.

Given the amount of "evidence, logic, & reasoning" you currently see,are you content to see the maintenance of the current regulatory regieme into the future ?

Graham

AlekSmart wrote: »

Given the amount of "evidence, logic, & reasoning" you currently see,are you content to see the maintenance of the current regulatory regieme into the future ?

The current 'regulatory regime' is already changing as circumstances themselves change.

I expect that continue and hopefully gather pace.

AlekSmart

Graham wrote: »

The current 'regulatory regime' is already changing as circumstances themselves change.

I expect that continue and hopefully gather pace.

Not quite addressing my question though.