Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

normanoffside · 10-04-2021 06:17PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah thats the one.

I thought he might be getting a few because the reply was in about 20 mins or so

I also raised a few other concerns but that was the bit around MHQ.

There would seem to be some quite split views on it within the parties and it definitely looks like some TDs are getting hounded today

Yes I did follow up with some specific issues and he replied to me specifically on those. I have to say fair play, he has impressed me today. I’d barely heard of him before.

Del Griffith · 10-04-2021 06:18PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Dr Glynn on vaccinated and travelling:

“ fully vaccinated people must still quarantine because there is no international vaccine certification system.”

“ On top of that, we know of cases where ... people who’ve been vaccinated are subsequently diagnosed with Covid, involving a variant of concern.”

Dr Glynn said we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can enable travel, as not enough people have been vaccinated.””

What sort of a government arse licking coward would you need to be to pay any attention to this clown at this point, seriously

Mr. Karate · 10-04-2021 06:19PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Emailed my local TDs involved with Government parties this afternoon to essentially vent frustration at the way things were handled around MHQ, fully vax travelers not having a process to bypass quarantine etc.

The local FF TD came back with a reply within a half an hour (tbh I didn't expect to even get one).

He came back with the below, some of which I didn't know regarding section 9 of the legislation,

"I share your concern about the impact of mandatory hotel quarantining and its effectiveness given the Common Travel Area and our shared border with the United Kingdom.

Mandatory Hotel Quarantine (MHQ) legislation was introduced on the back of strong advice from the public health experts on NPHET. I expect it will be in place for several months while the Covid-19 pandemic and the worldwide vaccination programme continue.

As we have seen with other public health measures - introduction can prove relatively easy with removal posing significant difficulties. During the legislative debate on the Health (Amendment) Act 2021 which underpins MHQ, I raised the necessity for a sunset clause to be included to ensure the measure must regularly come before the Dáil for review.

Section 9 of the Act ensures that the provisions related to MHQ may only be in operation during the 3-month period after the passing of the Act, with further 3-month extensions requiring a resolution of both Houses of the Oireachtas.

I am looking forward to examining the impact of MHQ when the matter comes before the Dáil in June. I will certainly have regard to the points you have made and I would welcome any further feedback or observations. "

That's a whole load of verbal diarrhea to say absolutely nothing.

Frank Bullitt · 10-04-2021 06:20PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Dr Glynn on vaccinated and travelling:

“ fully vaccinated people must still quarantine because there is no international vaccine certification system.”

“ On top of that, we know of cases where ... people who’ve been vaccinated are subsequently diagnosed with Covid, involving a variant of concern.”

Dr Glynn said we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can enable travel, as not enough people have been vaccinated.””

Over a year now to prepare for this, and nothing.

Mr. Karate · 10-04-2021 06:20PM

General Toilet wrote: »

What a load of hogwash.

Proof that they have no intention of ever letting this end.

hmmm · 10-04-2021 06:21PM

If fully vaccinated people still have to quarantine for fear of them introducing a new variant, this is an indefinite lockdown as this risk does not disappear in 3 months.

There has been a dramatic change in Government policy, and I'm not sure even the Government realises it.

The Ministers for Transport and Tourism have to resign in my view. There was no consultation with the travel and tourism industry before this, and this has been effectively sprung on them with no exit strategy and little communication. There will also be multiple knock-on effects for other industries and future FDI.

ninebeanrows · 10-04-2021 06:23PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Dr Glynn on vaccinated and travelling:

“ fully vaccinated people must still quarantine because there is no international vaccine certification system.”

“ On top of that, we know of cases where ... people who’ve been vaccinated are subsequently diagnosed with Covid, involving a variant of concern.”

Dr Glynn said we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can enable travel, as not enough people have been vaccinated.””

That does not look good.

If Glynn is highlighting extreme outliers as a reason to keep MHQ going then it is not good.

Are we going to continue MHQ if there is a 1 in 10,000 chance of a covid variant getting in, that we know vaccinnes can work against anyway?

From Glynns words it looks like yes is the answer. So therefore this isn't going to end this year or next.

Micky 32 · 10-04-2021 06:26PM

hmmm wrote: »

If fully vaccinated people still have to quarantine for fear of them introducing a new variant, this is an indefinite lockdown as this risk does not disappear in 3 months.

That’s what i’ve being saying……….

Micky 32 · 10-04-2021 06:29PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

That does not look good.

If Glynn is highlighting extreme outliers as a reason to keep MHQ going then it is not good.

Are we going to continue MHQ if there is a 1 in 10,000 chance of a covid variant getting in, that we know vaccinnes can work against anyway?

From Glynns words it looks like yes is the answer. So therefore this isn't going to end this year or next.

Even when enough get vaccinated there will be some other reason that they’ll come up with.

Del Griffith · 10-04-2021 06:31PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

That does not look good.

If Glynn is highlighting extreme outliers as a reason to keep MHQ going then it is not good.

Are we going to continue MHQ if there is a 1 in 10,000 chance of a covid variant getting in, that we know vaccinnes can work against anyway?

From Glynns words it looks like yes is the answer. So therefore this isn't going to end this decade.

Yes, but far less than 1 in 10,000, more like 1 in a few billion. I asked one snivelling arse licker in this thread that supports this thinking, when will there ever be a situation where there is zero chance of a variant, given that (basically harmless, post vaccine) mutations are naturally occurring in all virus, and there's tumbleweeds and deflections.

MHQ might have been necessary in some extreme case or situation, but this faux justification can literally go on forever with that line of thought/lunacy/OTT cowardice, as I see it that's the real problem here.

hmmm · 10-04-2021 06:36PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

MHQ might have been necessary in some extreme case or situation, but this faux justification can literally go on forever with that line of thought/lunacy/OTT cowardice, as I see it that's the real problem here.

RTE have the entire country wound up with talk of "variants". It's mentioned in other countries and is a potential risk, but for some reason we have taken it to an extreme and everyone is terrified. I'm surprised we left the Swallows back into the country.

AnaB · 10-04-2021 06:36PM

Thé most sad thing is that we cannot change anything... We ll be texting here on Boards and nothing more.

Donald Trump · 10-04-2021 06:36PM

hmmm wrote: »

If fully vaccinated people still have to quarantine for fear of them introducing a new variant, this is an indefinite lockdown as this risk does not disappear in 3 months.

Do you mean indefinite MHQ? The idea of the MHQ is so that we can get rid of local lockdown.

The MHQ will be related to the level of variant in those other countries. So if they do not have it circulating there, it won't be needed for them.

If we are all vaccinated and mixing here, the changes of a local variant emerging are very very small. At that stage, it would need to be brought in. When other countries are vaccinated, they should not be generating their own variants either. Or at least the chances of them doing so are made much smaller.

The danger here is a VOC getting into Ireland. And other countries being vaccinated and imposing mandatory quarantine for us (ironically because maybe we didn't do it ourselves!). I already posted above about Ireland being on the high risk list for Germany until about 2 weeks ago.

Micky 32 · 10-04-2021 06:37PM

Something has to give in this eventually, i can’t see Mr Biden being happy with Ireland if the government inflicted permanent quarantine on americans wanting to visit Ireland.

bombs away · 10-04-2021 06:38PM

hmmm wrote: »

RTE have the entire country wound up with talk of "variants". It's mentioned in other countries and is a potential risk, but for some reason we have taken it to an extreme and everyone is terrified. I'm surprised we left the Swallows back into the country.

There are multiple variants of the flu virus constantly evolving world wide, are we going to start quarantine for those too? There needs to be a defined exit strategy to this, it’s setting a worrying precedent.

mmclo · 10-04-2021 06:39PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

It has been shown that some of the vaccinations have been less effective against the variants.

No one vaccine in one poor study was to be less effective on one variant but still way ahead of regularly used efficacy rates for other conditions

mmclo · 10-04-2021 06:42PM

SusanC10 wrote: »

I thought that I read that Cabinet were to discuss the issue of fully vaccinated people at last night's meeting but there doesn't seem to have been any change.

Looking for an "urgent" report, not sure where that ranks on the Sir Humphrey scale but was an interesting part of the announcement I thought

Ladylouth · 10-04-2021 06:43PM

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1380874703536070656

Gerry Killeen calling for border control now.

10-04-2021 06:44PM

This is becoming a conspiracy thread.

themacattack. · 10-04-2021 06:52PM

boys and girls ...what is the situation can anyone guess in june july and august for those of us who want to get the hell out of here for a week or two...im thinking the uk is going to be the least complicated option because of the common travel area...south of england will be warm and they will have everything open wheris here theres even too many question marks for the month of june here to do a staycation....any thoughts

ninebeanrows · 10-04-2021 06:55PM

themacattack. wrote: »

boys and girls ...what is the situation can anyone guess in june july and august for those of us who want to get the hell out of here for a week or two...im thinking the uk is going to be the least complicated option because of the common travel area...south of england will be warm and they will have everything open wheris here theres even too many question marks for the month of june here to do a staycation....any thoughts

Once inter county travel is allowed, then Belfast or head to UK is simplist option and maybe stay few days either side, get ferry etc.

Unfortunately therell be no short trips, youll need 3 or 4 weeks off to make it work.

Hellrazer · 10-04-2021 06:56PM

On top of that, we know of cases where ... people who’ve been vaccinated are subsequently diagnosed with Covid, involving a variant of concern.”

This stinks of bull**** and another way to keep us locked down for longer. I cant find a single case of anyone fully vaccinated that has been diagnosed with a different variant of covid.

More lies??

hmmm · 10-04-2021 06:59PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

The MHQ will be related to the level of variant in those other countries. So if they do not have it circulating there, it won't be needed for them.

You keep saying that, but so far we've been given three reasons as thy countries go on the MHQ list:
1. To keep the VoCs out
2. To keep future variants out
3. High rates of transmission of the virus

You are talking about (1). Even with people who are fully vaccinated, apparently that's too much risk for us to accept. No vaccine passports for Irish people or potential tourists.

(2) is a moving target with no clear exit strategy.

When other countries are vaccinated, they should not be generating their own variants either. Or at least the chances of them doing so are made much smaller.

This is likely late 2022/2023, and many poorer countries will probably never be vaccinated with frequent seasonally-driven outbreaks.

There has been a very dramatic change in Government strategy, and the least they owe us is to admit this - particularly to industries which rely on foreign workers and travel/tourism. However I suspect that many in Government don't even realise what they have done.

10-04-2021 07:01PM

themacattack. wrote: »

boys and girls ...what is the situation can anyone guess in june july and august for those of us who want to get the hell out of here for a week or two...im thinking the uk is going to be the least complicated option because of the common travel area...south of england will be warm and they will have everything open wheris here theres even too many question marks for the month of june here to do a staycation....any thoughts

I expect the us to be locked out soon. Going by mr glynns comments

Donald Trump · 10-04-2021 07:07PM

Del Griffith wrote: »

Yes, but far less than 1 in 10,000, more like 1 in a few billion. I asked one snivelling arse licker in this thread that supports this thinking, when will there ever be a situation where there is zero chance of a variant, given that (basically harmless, post vaccine) mutations are naturally occurring in all virus, and there's tumbleweeds and deflections.

MHQ might have been necessary in some extreme case or situation, but this faux justification can literally go on forever with that line of thought/lunacy/OTT cowardice, as I see it that's the real problem here.

How did you work out those stats? 1 in exactly how many billion did you calculate? Or do you have a reference for it?

It reminded me of 55 seconds into this interview

Donald Trump · 10-04-2021 07:13PM

hmmm wrote: »

You keep saying that, but so far we've been given three reasons as thy countries go on the MHQ list:
1. To keep the VoCs out
2. To keep future variants out
3. High rates of transmission of the virus

You are talking about (1). Even with people who are fully vaccinated, apparently that's too much risk for us to accept. No vaccine passports for Irish people or potential tourists.

(2) is a moving target with no clear exit strategy.

This is likely late 2022/2023, and many poorer countries will probably never be vaccinated with frequent seasonally-driven outbreaks.

There has been a very dramatic change in Government strategy, and the least they owe us is to admit this - particularly to industries which rely on foreign workers and travel/tourism. However I suspect that many in Government don't even realise what they have done.

I don't understand what your confusion is.

1) Refers to keeping known VOCs out. That is why some of those countries were added to the list - they had high rates of those infections. It is also why Ireland and the UK were on Germany's VOC banned list until 2 weeks ago. Both have been removed now and you might not have noticed as EU citizens were exempted. But we were on their list. A non-EU citizen could not have travelled from Ireland to Germany, even for essential reasons, while we were on it.

2) VOC's have to mutate from an existing strain. If a country is vaccinated, then the likelihood of a variant originating from there is very very small.

3) I think you mean high incidence of the virus? Or are you referring to VOCs again with higher rates of transmission than "original" strains?

10-04-2021 07:13PM

Haven’t the eu. voted to bring in a green travel pass enabling those who test negative or are vaccinated or have recently recovered from covid to travel in the eu. without the need for any quarantine. So if this system is rolled out might it mean out current system would become obsolete for eu citizens.

Donald Trump · 10-04-2021 07:16PM

gansi wrote: »

Haven’t the eu. voted to bring in a green travel pass enabling those who test negative or are vaccinated or have recently recovered from covid to travel in the eu. without the need for any quarantine. So if this system is rolled out might it mean out current system would become obsolete for eu citizens.

Yes. That likely will be brought in. Which is probably why we need to make sure that we keep things under control here so that we are allowed to partake!

10-04-2021 07:23PM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yes. That likely will be brought in. Which is probably why we need to make sure that we keep things under control here so that we are allowed to partake!

‘Allowed to partake’ - It was voted upon.

namloc1980 · 10-04-2021 07:29PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Dr Glynn on vaccinated and travelling:

“ fully vaccinated people must still quarantine because there is no international vaccine certification system.”

“ On top of that, we know of cases where ... people who’ve been vaccinated are subsequently diagnosed with Covid, involving a variant of concern.”

Dr Glynn said we are not yet at the stage where vaccination can enable travel, as not enough people have been vaccinated.””

Does the vaccine not work without a cert to go along with it?

Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

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