Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

Micky 32

Donald Trump wrote: »

Well if they hadn't been so smartarse to me at the start, over something that was incorrect, I wouldn't have had to correct them. Poster then claimed to know what was voted on, when they did not.



There's enough "fake news" and people mistaking their emotion for reality on the thread already.

…and these condescending arrogant posts are probably the reason there were “ smart arse “ replies toward your posts.

saabsaab

TobyHolmes wrote: »

same info available a year ago. the time to do it was then.
not a year later when every other country moving forward and we are going backwards.

No we are making progress with the vaccines but I agree that we should have done it a year ago.

Donald Trump

Micky 32 wrote: »

…and these condescending arrogant posts are probably the reason they were “ smart arse “ toward your posts.

Possibly. But if someone states something that is demonstrably untrue, I only try to help them by explaining the correct information.



I'm just a helpful person. If someone is wrong, then the best approach is to accept that and learn from it. Nobody knows everything but if one is open to learning, then they will learn from mistakes.

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

No we are making progress with the vaccines but I agree that we should have done it a year ago.

But you're clear that you support MHQ because of the possibility of variants that will bypass the vaccines. So what relevant to MHQ does Ireland’s vaccination progress have? I think it’s clear that MHQ will be in place long after we are all vaccinated

Micky 32

Donald Trump wrote: »

I'm just a helpful person. If someone is wrong, then the best approach is to accept that and learn from it. Nobody knows everything but if one is open to learning, then they will learn from mistakes.

As long as you also have learned from your mistakes and learned from them that were pointed out to you over the course of the thread, all should be fine and dandy then.:)

saabsaab

Golfman64 wrote: »

Is that the information that all current vaccines are affective on all known variants but yet they decide not to exempt fully vaccinated travellers or countries with high levels of vaccination?

Real-world Israeli data shows South African variant better at bypassing vaccine

Strain is more effective at ‘breaking through’ the Pfizer shot than others

Micky 32

saabsaab wrote: »

Real-world Israeli data shows South African variant better at bypassing vaccine

Strain is more effective at ‘breaking through’ the Pfizer shot than others

Links , data? Doesn’t seem to be getting in the way of normality in Israel.

Donald Trump

Micky 32 wrote: »

As long as you also have learned from your mistakes and learned from them that were pointed out to you over the course of the thread, all should be fine and dandy then.:)

Yeah if I say something that is incorrect and you can demonstrate it objectively then that is fine.



If we have subjective differences of opinion then I won't just take your opinion as fact if it is subjective.


It's only a message/discussion board. People get too heated up sometimes.

hmmm

saabsaab wrote: »

Real-world Israeli data shows South African variant better at bypassing vaccine

Strain is more effective at ‘breaking through’ the Pfizer shot than others

That all looks very scary in headline form, but by "break-through" you're mostly talking about a head-cold. The vaccines, so far, prevent severe Covid disease in all known variants. The vaccine thread is a good place to get real data.

I'm sure NPHET know that already, and their real fear is future variants which are more potent. If that is the case they should be very clear on communicating this, because the government would need to prepare for the indefinite shutdown of transport links to and from this country.

stephenjmcd

Micky 32 wrote: »

Links , data? Doesn’t seem to be getting in the way of normality in Israel.

Probably for the vaccine thread but they're going to post this

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2021-04-10/south-african-variant-can-break-through-pfizer-vaccine-israeli-study-says

But take note of this

"The researchers cautioned, though, that the study only had a small sample size of people infected with the South African variant because of its rarity in Israel.

They also said the research was not intended to deduce overall vaccine effectiveness against any variant, since it only looked at people who had already tested positive for COVID-19, not at overall infection rates."

Hmmm sums it up well in the post above mine though

CruelSummer

saabsaab wrote: »

Real-world Israeli data shows South African variant better at bypassing vaccine

Strain is more effective at ‘breaking through’ the Pfizer shot than others

Bold writing doesn’t make something true. All studies show that Pfizer is effective against all known variants currently. We either vaccinate & reopen or we’re in a permanent lockdown as tomorrow there could be the Dublin or Cork variant, next day the Sligo one, etc. We can’t just keep hiding under the bed when hospitalisations and deaths are reduced to minimal levels.

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

Real-world Israeli data shows South African variant better at bypassing vaccine

Strain is more effective at ‘breaking through’ the Pfizer shot than others

So let’s burn our own house to the ground because of this potential future increase in risk, right?

Donald Trump

Micky 32 wrote: »

Links , data? Doesn’t seem to be getting in the way of normality in Israel.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/real-world-israeli-data-shows-south-african-variant-better-at-bypassing-vaccine/


The study looked at 150 people who contracted the virus after vaccination. Reading between the line, the SA variant is not common over there. It would occur in about 1 in 150 positive cases. When they looked at the vaccinated people, the SA variant had been responsible for 8 in the 150.

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

So let’s burn our own house to the ground because of this potential future increase in risk, right?

No, that would be a silly thing to do. There is no need to panic.

Golfman64

Donald Trump wrote: »

https://www.timesofisrael.com/real-world-israeli-data-shows-south-african-variant-better-at-bypassing-vaccine/


The study looked at 150 people who contracted the virus after vaccination. Reading between the line, the SA variant is not common over there. It would occur in about 1 in 150 positive cases. When they looked at the vaccinated people, the SA variant had been responsible for 8 in the 150.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/biontech-and-pfizer-trial-data-suggests-vaccine-protects-against-south-africa-variant-1.4526293

Donald Trump

CruelSummer wrote: »

Bold writing doesn’t make something true. All studies show that Pfizer is effective against all known variants currently. We either vaccinate & reopen or we’re in a permanent lockdown as tomorrow there could be the Dublin or Cork variant, next day the Sligo one, etc. We can’t just keep hiding under the bed when hospitalisations and deaths are reduced to minimal levels.

Why are you hiding under the bed? You won't gain any extra protection from doing that. There is no need to do that. Just take the normal recommended precautions.

JeffKenna

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So let’s burn our own house to the ground because of this potential future increase in risk, right?

Things are bad enough without having a roof over our head.

Donald Trump

Donald Trump wrote: »

No, that would be a silly thing to do. There is no need to panic.

But that’s what we are doing! It’s a knee jerk, disproportionate reaction, late in the pandemic, to satisfy the Twitter mob. The cure will be worse than this potential future risk (unless you’re naive enough to think that this is getting lifted at the next review)

Donald Trump

Golfman64 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/biontech-and-pfizer-trial-data-suggests-vaccine-protects-against-south-africa-variant-1.4526293

Yes. It protects against effects of the virus. But not 100% of everyone who is vaccinated is guaranteed not to develop any symptoms of the disease if they encounter the virus subsequent to getting vaccinated.


The study in Israel is for 150 people who contracted it after vaccination. That's a very small percentage. It is an academic study. Not meant to scare people.



Relative to the other vaccines, this SA variant was better able to "bypass" the vaccine. That is all it is saying.

saabsaab

Deleted User wrote: »

So let’s burn our own house to the ground because of this potential future increase in risk, right?

Each to his own.

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

But that’s what we are doing! It’s a knee jerk, disproportionate reaction, late in the pandemic, to satisfy the Twitter mob. The cure will be worse than this potential future risk (unless you’re naive enough to think that this is getting lifted at the next review)

What reaction has been taken?


The article was only published about 4 hours ago, 8pm on a Saturday when all the civil servants were enjoying their weekend off.


No need to panic there horse

faceman

Donald Trump wrote: »

Yes. It protects against effects of the virus. But not 100% of everyone who is vaccinated is guaranteed not to develop any symptoms of the disease if they encounter the virus subsequent to getting vaccinated.


The study in Israel is for 150 people who contracted it after vaccination. That's a very small percentage. It is an academic study. Not meant to scare people.



Relative to the other vaccines, this SA variant was better able to "bypass" the vaccine. That is all it is saying.

Sounds similar to the flu vaccine

Donald Trump

faceman wrote: »

Sounds similar to the flu vaccine

Same as any vaccine faceman.


The issue with SARS-CoV-2 is that we are starting from scratch. So we have a some catch-up to do before we can consign it to flu "status".



There was a good interview with Mike Ryan who explained it as it being reduced to an annoyance rather than a tragedy. But we are not at that point yet.

dalyboy

Ladylouth wrote: »

https://twitter.com/killeen_gerry/status/1380874703536070656

Gerry Killeen calling for border control now.

Gotta laugh at the replies on that feed.
Not as much as one iota of support for Killeen
My positivity rises when I see unhinged sociopaths being challenged

Donald Trump

Donald Trump wrote: »

What reaction has been taken?


The article was only published about 4 hours ago, 8pm on a Saturday when all the civil servants were enjoying their weekend off.


No need to panic there horse

What article?

Del Griffith

Golfman64 wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/health-pharma/biontech-and-pfizer-trial-data-suggests-vaccine-protects-against-south-africa-variant-1.4526293

Don't ruin it on them..

bluelamp

Deleted User wrote: »

But that’s what we are doing! It’s a knee jerk, disproportionate reaction, late in the pandemic, to satisfy the Twitter mob. The cure will be worse than this potential future risk (unless you’re naive enough to think that this is getting lifted at the next review)

It's all been an overreaction solely to protect a sh*t show of a health service, that wasn't fit for purpose long before the pandemic.

Excess mortality for 2020 is far below the covid death figures, the median age of covid deaths were 84 if I remember correctly, 2 years older than Irelands life expectancy.

Lets call a spade a spade here - this is mismanagement of Irelands health system coming back to bite us.

RedPaddyX

I’m starting to think “Donald Trump” is Stephen Donnelly. I’m not sure why people bother debating him any longer.

I thought I’d have calmed down over this today - but no I’m just getting angrier and angrier. Keep on to the politicians guys we have to put pressure on them to get to common sense. The only saving grace is it seems the UK are going on a more coherent and organized open up direction - let’s hope that pressurized us to do same.

dalyboy

RedPaddyX wrote: »

I’m starting to think “Donald Trump” is Stephen Donnelly. I’m not sure why people bother debating him any longer.

I thought I’d have calmed down over this today - but no I’m just getting angrier and angrier. Keep on to the politicians guys we have to put pressure on them to get to common sense. The only saving grace is it seems the UK are going on a more coherent and organized open up direction - let’s hope that pressurized us to do same.

The UK are opening up with caveats on PCR on Re-entry to UK soil.
So Belfast outbound and inbound . 2 PCR tests required . Costs approx €400 .

Sounds a hell of a lot better than sitting twiddling your thumbs in an Irish hotel for 2 weeks upon return and 2 grand lighter in the wallet.

So then . For me. It’s the Belfast option.

Donald Trump

Deleted User wrote: »

What article?

This one. https://www.timesofisrael.com/real-world-israeli-data-shows-south-african-variant-better-at-bypassing-vaccine/



It is where the headline that you responded to was lifted from. I had posted it a few posts back as well.