COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Wolf359f · 10-04-2021 02:49AM

hmmm wrote: »

They should never have done this on a no-profit basis, and it shows the folly of celebrating that approach.

If I was Astra Zeneca I'd walk away and cut their losses. Let one of the big EU manufacturers who have done little to nothing pick up the vaccine.

The non profit is debatable, every country is paying a different price.
I'd say AZ is under contract so walking, god know what kinda contract breach that would cause. Not just between AZ and Oxford, but AZ and all their customers.
Best Effort clause could hardly absolve AZ relinquishing the patent to produce it.

patnor1011 · 10-04-2021 06:31AM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Sure. Put it this way. Ireland should thank its lucky stars that Tegnell wasn't in charge here during the pandemic.

What are you talking about? We did the same they did - we emptied hospitals and shipped most vulnerable to nursing houses when they promptly died. Majority of the population have no problem when they get covid mask or restriction or none of them does not matter.

Vaccines are no silver bullet as they do not guarantee reinfection but may reduce severity. It does not matter how many people get vaccinated as our health system is poised to collapse as soon as they attempt to fully open it again due to all missed appointments.

gmisk · 10-04-2021 07:23AM

I was onto my sister yesterday she is in northern ireland. She would be in the 40-45 range, asked to book an appointment for first dose via portal....they really are flying through people....meanwhile down here what ages are we now at, is it still over 70s?

I am guessing if I could get booked in up north it would be an essential journey?....I am just under 40.

noserider · 10-04-2021 08:06AM

gmisk wrote: »

I was onto my sister yesterday she is in northern ireland. She would be in the 40-45 range, asked to book an appointment for first dose via portal....they really are flying through people....meanwhile down here what ages are we now at, is it still over 70s?

I am guessing if I could get booked in up north it would be an essential journey?....I am just under 40.

Go for it

is_that_so · 10-04-2021 08:07AM

marno21 wrote: »

Clear example of why it's prudent to withhold some doses for second doses if this is the level of reliability we are operating at.

It's also a reminder of the house of cards that is delivery projections for Q2 vaccinations.

maviesk · 10-04-2021 08:11AM

gmisk wrote: »

I was onto my sister yesterday she is in northern ireland. She would be in the 40-45 range, asked to book an appointment for first dose via portal....they really are flying through people....meanwhile down here what ages are we now at, is it still over 70s?

I am guessing if I could get booked in up north it would be an essential journey?....I am just under 40.

Definitely an essential journey.

You can get the jab in Northern Ireland if you're registered with a GP there. If you're registered with a GP elsewhere in the UK, you're still eligible but you need to get in touch with the Trust directly and provide proof of NHS number and GP registration.

gmisk · 10-04-2021 08:13AM

maviesk wrote: »

Definitely an essential journey.

You can get the jab in Northern Ireland if you're registered with a GP there. If you're registered with a GP elsewhere in the UK, you're still eligible but you need to get in touch with the Trust directly and provide proof of NHS number and GP registration.

Thanks for that I am registered with a GP beside my folks. So yeah I think will probably head up when I can get booked in.

My other half is in healthcare and due his second dose pretty soon, so I wouldn't mind being vaccinated as well.

maviesk · 10-04-2021 08:22AM

gmisk wrote: »

Thanks for that I am registered with a GP beside my folks. So yeah I think will probably head up when I can get booked in.

My other half is in healthcare and due his second dose pretty soon, so I wouldn't mind being vaccinated as well.

Not sure where in the North your folks are, but in Belfast you've two choices: SSE Arena is only administering AZ but the Royal Vic is doing mostly Pfizer so while it's never a guarantee, something to keep in mind if you've a particular preference.

Micky 32 · 10-04-2021 09:33AM

patnor1011 wrote: »

Vaccines are no silver bullet as they do not guarantee reinfection but may reduce severity.

There’s no may about it. Vaccines are practically 100% protection against severe illness hospitalisation and death. Take a look at Israel’s stats.

Some people love trying to downplay vaccines.

TomOnBoard · 10-04-2021 10:06AM

astrofool wrote: »

The current data (on the scientific side) points to the antibody levels in those who've previously been infected by SARS-COV2 to be lower compared to those who've taken a vaccine, and also that the antibodies are specific to the strain they were infected with, so less protection against mutations.

Have you references to some of the studies that established these findings? Thanks.

TomOnBoard · 10-04-2021 10:13AM

JPup wrote: »

How do you intend to test whether your antibodies are good and high? Much simpler to just take the vaccine and then you will know for sure that they are.

Antibody tests will tell you if you have antibodies and the levels you have. Such tests are also fundamental to establishing longevity of protection from vaccines. In Ireland, an ongoing project that measures antibody levels has been ongoing since last year. See SCOPI study here:
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/scopi/

Micky 32 · 10-04-2021 10:15AM

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1380665520366579714?s=21

stephenjmcd · 10-04-2021 10:20AM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Antibody tests will tell you if you have antibodies and the levels you have. Such tests are also fundamental to establishing longevity of protection from vaccines. In Ireland, an ongoing project that measures antibody levels has been ongoing since last year. See SCOPI study here:
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/coronavirus/novelcoronavirus/scopi/

While anti body tests like this can play a roll they actually aren't all that accurate.

T Cell response is where the long term protection looks to be and that won't come up in an anti body test which is only looking at anti bodies in the blood which will fade over time, while T cell is the long term memory.

10-04-2021 10:21AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

There’s no may about it. Vaccines are practically 100% protection against severe illness hospitalisation and death. Take a look at Israel’s stats.

Some people love trying to downplay vaccines.

I agree with you that they are very effective. But it's not so much the public that are downplaying them, it seems to me, as doctors and scientists (particularly in the West). Dr Mary Ramsay of Public Health England predicts and social distancing will last for years in the UK despite the success of the vaccine rollout there: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56475807

SAGE is saying something similar: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9437441/Life-WONT-return-normal-June-21-Covid-vaccines-arent-good-SAGE-warns.html

If I recall correctly Tony Holohan said they would compliment the current measures a few months ago.

Micky 32 · 10-04-2021 10:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree with you that they are very effective. But it's not so much the public that are downplaying them, it seems to me, as doctors and scientists (particularly in the West). Dr Mary Ramsay of Public Health England predicts and social distancing will last for years in the UK despite the success of the vaccine rollout there: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56475807

SAGE is saying something similar: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9437441/Life-WONT-return-normal-June-21-Covid-vaccines-arent-good-SAGE-warns.html

If I recall correctly Tony Holohan said they would compliment the current measures a few months ago.

Lol, I can’t see SD lasting for years but feel free to hide under your bed. To qoute:

“”Already, it means that people who are fully vaccinated can meet up after 14 days of the second dose, indoors or outdoors, without masks, or the need to social distance.””

10-04-2021 10:45AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Lol, I can’t see SD lasting for years but feel free to hide under your bed. To qoute:

“”Already, it means that people who are fully vaccinated can meet up after 14 days of the second dose, indoors or outdoors, without masks, or the need to social distance.””

I agree with you. And I want what you want, i.e. life to go back to normal asap. I'm just pointing out that it's not so much the public as many scientists and doctors who appear to be downplaying the vaccines. There was an article in the Financial Times the other day about the UK Government sounding out companies about social distancing being a requirement for 6 months every year in workplaces. But I hope as much as anyone that normal life will resume asap.

Micky 32 · 10-04-2021 10:52AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree with you. And I want what you want, i.e. life to go back to normal asap. I'm just pointing out that it's not so much the public as many scientists and doctors who appear to be downplaying the vaccines. There was an article in the Financial Times the other day about the UK Government sounding out companies about social distancing being a requirement for 6 months every year in workplaces. But I hope as much as anyone that normal life will resume asap.

Doctors differ patients die and all that. If you were to listen to SAGE they wouldn’t want normality to return until there’s zero cases left in the world. We all know that will never happen, there will always be cases somewhere.

I posted a link earlier in the thread where people from Israel were all out socialising post vaccinated. There wasn’t much social distancing going on. Added to that social distancing rules relaxed for irish people who are vaccinated. It’s all good. It’s just the begining.

10-04-2021 10:57AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Doctors differ patients die and all that. If you were to listen to SAGE they wouldn’t want normality to return until there’s zero cases left in the world. We all know that will never happen, there will always be cases somewhere.

I posted a link earlier in the thread where people from Israel were all out socialising post vaccinated. There wasn’t much social distancing going on. Added to that social distancing rules relaxed for irish people who are vaccinated. It’s all good. It’s just the begining.

I hope you're right.

vienne86 · 10-04-2021 11:02AM

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-08-april-2021.pdf

Decent day!

Stark · 10-04-2021 11:05AM

Looks like they've reduced the lag time on reporting from 3 days to 2 days?

vienne86 · 10-04-2021 11:08AM

Stark wrote: »

Looks like they've reduced the lag time on reporting from 3 days to 2 days?

I think Paul Reid said it will be reduced to one day next week.

stephenjmcd · 10-04-2021 11:13AM

vienne86 wrote: »

I think Paul Reid said it will be reduced to one day next week.

Yeah 24hrs but I'd still expect a bit of lag with data being uploaded etc. Numbers for previous days could fluctuate a good bit etc

10-04-2021 11:16AM

Those numbers are still rather low if we're aiming to do 800k+ this month. Putting a lot of pressure on the remaining weeks to pick up the slack

JTMan · 10-04-2021 11:31AM

CureVac approval could come, in May, which is earlier than expected according to this Bloomberg article here (paywall).

- “We’re already very far advanced in the third phase of clinical trials and are awaiting data for the final application package,”.
- CNBC say that CureVac are awaiting final data to start the expedited regulatory approval process. This is expected late April or Early May.
- CureVac are also working with Musk’s Tesla Inc. on a vaccine printer, which the Tesla CEO called “an important product for the world”.

Sounds like late May or early June for EMA approval. Hopefully we will get supply shortly thereafter.

irishlad. · 10-04-2021 11:36AM

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=502588836

Looks like we're on track to hit this week's target of 120/125k, provided we have a 30k day tomorrow.

Next week will be the acid test, when the target is 180/190k

namloc1980 · 10-04-2021 11:39AM

irishlad. wrote: »

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1cUZy6AMCwuA2zhtRuKK7cqMVgmhdDsGsZrFWJTkw9DY/edit#gid=502588836

Looks like we're on track to hit this week's target of 120/125k, provided we have a 30k day tomorrow.

Next week will be the acid test, when the target is 180/190k

What are the chances we have 30k on a Sunday?

ACitizenErased · 10-04-2021 11:47AM

First doses has gone up 1% and second doses up 0.5% since yesterday suggesting ~45k have been added on. Given only 29k were administered on Wednesday looks like some have been added onto the previous days.
https://twitter.com/irelandvaccine/status/1380831436975013892?s=21

ACitizenErased · 10-04-2021 11:52AM

Looks like the data is catching up
https://twitter.com/covid19dataie/status/1380835955997827072?s=21

trellheim · 10-04-2021 11:58AM

fk sake AZ delivery cut by 50% this weeks' deliveries

https://www.ft.com/content/df5020f4-461e-443e-8d55-f3234690d049

Gets worse the more of that article you read lol

stephenjmcd · 10-04-2021 11:58AM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

First doses has gone up 1% and second doses up 0.5% since yesterday suggesting ~45k have been added on. Given only 29k were administered on Wednesday looks like some have been added onto the previous days.
https://twitter.com/irelandvaccine/status/1380831436975013892?s=21

Yeah definitely looks like some delayed reporting has come through

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