COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

namloc1980 wrote: »

You remember incorrectly. You claimed it would take "weeks" to get back on track after the pause and I queried why they couldn't do it quicker with time being of the essence? If they have sorted out out on a well it kind of flies in the face of your stance that it would take "weeks".

So you're happy that we're back to 95% rolled out then, great And I guess the HSE hasn't messed up and we're not truly screwed.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Not really. There has been a stock built up. We've been repeatedly told by some posters that we administer 95% of what we get within days of receipt. But as of last weekend 20% of all the vaccines doses we had received were in storage and the goalposts have now been moved conveniently.

namloc1980 wrote: »

Why are you happy to give them 2-3 weeks to catch up? Surely we should be expecting much much better than that. If we can't expect them to get through a backup of stock then we're truly screwed when it'll come to mass vaccinations.

astrofool wrote:

AZ being paused will mean there is 2-3 weeks of extra vaccinations happening as all the logistics go into place to get them delivered to the right place and get them into arms, remembering that some were cancelled, and some went ahead using Pfizer, so it's not a simple case of resuming as it was minus 1 week.

astrofool wrote: »

To all these, as long as we're back to 95% of vaccines used in a couple of weeks, then everything is going to plan, if we're not, then then the HSE has messed up.

Since we are quite early in assessing what vaccines do or cant do there are a lot of hypothetical things at play. Only time will show.
I for one hope this doctor and his study will not be proven right.

Research article as published in Microbiology & Infectious Diseases:
https://carterheavyindustries.files.wordpress.com/2021/02/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

patnor1011 wrote: »

Since we are quite early in assessing what vaccines do or cant do there are a lot of hypothetical things at play. Only time will show.
I for one hope this doctor and his study will not be proven right.

Research article as published in Microbiology & Infectious Diseases:
https://carterheavyindustries.files.wordpress.com/2021/02/covid19-rna-based-vaccines-and-the-risk-of-prion-disease-1503.pdf

See ye Monday, I can't cope lol..

Do you think it is fair that somebody in the vulnerable group who has previously suffered an acquired brain injury and stroke is offered the AZ vaccine when they are terrified of even the slightest possibility of suffering another one,

Been offered a vaccine that is said to be safe in Ireland as it's benefits outweigh it's risks which is a correct statement when applied to the general population but not really when you apply it to an individual who probably doesn't have much risk of infection at this point in time.

When in Countries like France they are halting it for the u55 age group as their health minister says "it is completely consistent to say that we do not recommend the AstraZeneca vaccine to people under 55 years of age while we learn more"

Shouldn't people with legitimate fears from past experience be allowed an alternative vaccine,

I understand it is down to supply at this point but the current data suggests that AZ is safe for the over 55s so why can't they move other vaccines down to other groups

manus35 wrote: »

Do you think it is fair that somebody in the vulnerable group who has previously suffered an acquired brain injury and stroke is offered the AZ vaccine when they are terrified of even the slightest possibility of suffering another one,

Been offered a vaccine that is said to be safe in Ireland as it's benefits outweigh it's risks which is a correct statement when applied to the general population but not really when you apply it to an individual who probably doesn't have much risk of infection at this point in time.

When in Countries like France they are halting it for the u55 age group as their health minister says "it is completely consistent to say that we do not recommend the AstraZeneca vaccine to people under 55 years of age while we learn more"

Shouldn't people with legitimate fears from past experience be allowed an alternative vaccine,

I understand it is down to supply at this point but the current data suggests that AZ is safe for the over 55s so why can't they move other vaccines down to other groups

I think it is fair you get offered a vaccine as part of being in a priority cohort.There are legitimate reasons to decline it, but that is also fair that if you decline it, you 'lose' your priority and need to wait a few weeks that supply of other vaccines before you get it.


People that decline the vaccine should not slow the vaccination for the rest of the cohorts. If we wait that a cohort gets completely vaccinated with the vaccine of their choice before moving to the next one, then we'll never finish, we'll get stocks of AZ in the fridge waiting.

The difference is that France has not based their vaccination strategy on AZ. They have plenty more Moderna than Ireland (I got 2 of my relatives in France already vaccinated with Moderna), so they can make this recommendation without slowing down the process.

hmmm wrote: »

Israel may have achieved herd immunity say some of its doctors:
https://www.israel21c.org/israel-may-have-achieved-herd-immunity-against-covid-19/

56% vaccinated, and estimate of 15% with prior infections.

I find the debate in Ireland a bit odd at times, as if we are the only country in the world with Covid. Israel is the test case for all of us, and it's relatively easy (I think) to predict our future by looking at what is happening there.

Exactly. Heading into the weekend (whatever that means now, as weekends and weekdays have morphed into one for me :pac:) people need reminding of this. Whenever I'm dismayed at the cycle of negativity being bombarded to us by the news outlets here, I look towards Israel for solace. They are almost back to normal (proper, old school normal) with a few more steps left to go. And this is despite all the scary variants being in circulation. I guess the only caveat being that they are using the gold-standard Pfizer/BioNTech jab, whilst everyone else is using a combination. Anyway, things can, and only will, get better!

SusanC10 wrote: »

Are the EMA any closer to authorisation of Vaccine for 12-16 Age Group ?
Any chance of it being rolled out here before next school year starts ?

Unknown at present. Some people reckon autumn but it could be later than that. I'm still thinking 2022 until it's clear it'll be otherwise. If and when it happens it'll probably be done in schools themselves.

Chile are using Sinovac though, which only just barely meets the threshold to qualify as a vaccine.

I agree though in principle, even if 56% turns out to be the magic number for Israel, we cannot assume the same will hold true for us. We need to keep our foot to the floor until everyone has been offered the vaccine.

What Israel will do though is properly inform the discussion on restrictions. It seems likely that we should be able to lift most restrictions by early June, leaving only boozing and large events on the shelf.

eagle eye wrote: »

France and Australia moving away from AZ.
That's right an EU country moving away from AZ despite what the EMA have said.
Too much going on with this vaccine. I certainly won't be taking it.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/astrazeneca-france-and-australia-pivot-to-mrna-vaccines-after-clot-findings-1.4532887?mode=amp

I assume by that logic you will never take a long haul flight ever again so

eagle eye wrote: »

Can you exsplan that please?

Seeing that you’re more likely to get a blood clot from a long haul flight than AZ i’m guessing you have also have decided never to fly on a long haul flight again?

I hope you don’t like sports anytime soon. The government are planning to let vaccinated people into stadiums.

Micky 32 wrote:

Seeing that you’re more likely to get a blood clot from a long haul flight than AZ i’m guessing you have also have decided never to fly on a long haul flight again?

I hope you don’t like sports anytime soon. The government are planning to let vaccinated people into stadiums.

It's a situation where I don't have all the information but when you see countries moving away from the vaccine then you have to take notice.
Just because our horrendous government haven't decided to move away from it doesn't mean I should just keep the head down and plough on and take it. I'm calling them horrendous due to many other things they've done, not because of any decision on AZ.
Likelihood is I'm going to be offered Pfizer anyways as there'll be a lot more of that than AZ at the end of this month when I'll be due to get it.

eagle eye wrote: »

It's a situation where I don't have all the information but when you see countries moving away from the vaccine then you have to take notice.
Just because our horrendous government haven't decided to move away from it doesn't mean I should just keep the head down and plough on and take it. I'm calling them horrendous due to many other things they've done, not because of any decision on AZ.
Likelihood is I'm going to be offered Pfizer anyways as there'll be a lot more of that than AZ at the end of this month when I'll be due to get it.

What on earth has the government got to do with this, this kind of comment makes it very hard to take your posts seriously. You post the same stuff every day.

Turtwig wrote: »

This 10,000 arose from both AZ and PB. As far as we know, PB does not pose the same level of risk as AZ.

Mostly AZ. Approx 20 million administered in the UK already.

Are they giving AZ to over 70s? A neighbour said that’s the one she is getting and she is 70+.