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snotboogie · 09-04-2021 11:57AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Deliveries for the month into the country estimated at 860k

No estimates for administration? We are on course for about 600k best case imo. That would be just over a 40% increase on March. The goal is around 7 million vaccines and we will be at 1.5 million by the end of the month. Israel opened up at 90 per 100, that's 4.5 million vaccines for us, which we will still be a looong long way from at the end of this month.

100k for the first 7 days is very disappointing, even with the bank holiday.

eoinbn · 09-04-2021 12:08PM

is_that_so wrote: »

3 weeks at 200K + 125K this week and whatever we get from J&J should be close enough to that.

Hopefully we will see a big bump from the BioNtech plant in the last two weeks of April. The J&J deliveries will be fairly minor.

astrofool · 09-04-2021 12:37PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

It's always next week.

Are you happy we caught up after the AZ pause and are quickly back to 95% rolled out within the week? I remember you were quite dismissive that would happen.

SEPT 23 1989 · 09-04-2021 12:38PM

Quick question

Is there an issue with private GP practices not being given vaccines?

dashoonage · 09-04-2021 12:47PM

Hey sorry for the stupid question, so many different articles on the web.

Can someone confirm for me over 70's dont get AZ in ireland ?

snotboogie · 09-04-2021 12:48PM

Singapore has a very similar population to Ireland; 5.7 million vs 5 million and an almost identical GDP with the exact same Multinational caveats as us. They started vaccinating two weeks after us. From February the 13th until March the 13th we had almost the exact same vaccination rate. Singapore are now at 30 vaccines per 100 compared to 20 vaccines per 100 here. Singapore are only using the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (no Chinese or Russian ones). For a long time we were told that we would be left behind as a small country out on our own yet upper income small countries out on their own are almost all way ahead of us; Singapore, The UAE, Chile, Uruguay, Bahrain, Qatar...

is_that_so · 09-04-2021 12:51PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Quick question

Is there an issue with private GP practices not being given vaccines?

It's all down to supplies but they have been quick to complain. The HSE approach seems to be to contact them when they have shots. Once we get to the over 65s that should no longer be an issue.

is_that_so · 09-04-2021 12:54PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Singapore has a very similar population to Ireland; 5.7 million vs 5 million and an almost identical GDP with the exact same Multinational caveats as us. They started vaccinating two weeks after us. From February the 13th until March the 13th we had almost the exact same vaccination rate. Singapore are now at 30 vaccines per 100 compared to 20 vaccines per 100 here. Singapore are only using the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (no Chinese or Russian ones). For a long time we were told that we would be left behind as a small country out on our own yet upper income small countries out on their own are almost all way ahead of us; Singapore, The UAE, Chile, Uruguay, Bahrain, Qatar...

Your post seems to suggest a great keenness to add even more small countries doing better than us. We are doing as well as we can given our circumstances.

JDD · 09-04-2021 12:54PM

Is there somewhere you can track actual deliveries of vaccines into Ireland? I don't mean estimates of what might or might not come in over the next few weeks, but actual data on what arrived in on what date?

Sconsey · 09-04-2021 12:59PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Singapore has a very similar population to Ireland; 5.7 million vs 5 million and an almost identical GDP with the exact same Multinational caveats as us. They started vaccinating two weeks after us. From February the 13th until March the 13th we had almost the exact same vaccination rate. Singapore are now at 30 vaccines per 100 compared to 20 vaccines per 100 here. Singapore are only using the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines (no Chinese or Russian ones). For a long time we were told that we would be left behind as a small country out on our own yet upper income small countries out on their own are almost all way ahead of us; Singapore, The UAE, Chile, Uruguay, Bahrain, Qatar...

What about Oman, New Zealand, Costa Rica, Kuwait? all similar size, all behind us. Your argumet only works if you pick and choose the countires you want.

is_that_so · 09-04-2021 01:07PM

Just some data on the walk-ins, with 5 new ones opening. The HSE’s Niamh O’Beirne said that of the 25,000 people tested, there was a positivity rate of about 2.6pc, with 635 positive cases.

snotboogie · 09-04-2021 01:09PM

Sconsey wrote: »

What about Oman, New Zealand, Costa Rica, Kuwait? all similar size, all behind us. Your argumet only works if you pick and choose the countires you want.

Well New Zealand are purposely not vaccinating because they are zero covid and are watching results from other countries. Hardly a fair comparison.

Oman, Costa Rica and Kuwait are all far poorer than us.

You are not addressing the point though are you? Most countries out on their own, around our size and GDP are doing far better than us when we were told this was not possible.

1huge1 · 09-04-2021 01:18PM

JDD wrote: »

Is there somewhere you can track actual deliveries of vaccines into Ireland? I don't mean estimates of what might or might not come in over the next few weeks, but actual data on what arrived in on what date?

https://www.gov.ie/en/news/0ca30-covid-19-vaccine-supply-updates/

Sconsey · 09-04-2021 01:19PM

snotboogie wrote: »

Well New Zealand are purposely not vaccinating because they are zero covid and are watching results from other countries. Hardly a fair comparison.

Oman, Costa Rica and Kuwait are all far poorer than us.

You are not addressing the point though are you? Most countries out on their own, around our size and GDP are doing far better than us when we were told this was not possible.

Sorry I was not aware of the caveats to your argument that you had not actually mentioned. So New Zealand does not apply. But then why include Chile, Uruguay or Bahrain whose GDP is nowhere near ours. Your argument mekes even less sense now. You can include the ones that suit your argument but I cannot?

Strazdas · 09-04-2021 01:37PM

dashoonage wrote: »

Hey sorry for the stupid question, so many different articles on the web.

Can someone confirm for me over 70's dont get AZ in ireland ?

I know that Pfizer and Moderna only was being given to the over 80s and 85s, but I'm not sure what has happened now they are moving down through the age cohorts.

is_that_so · 09-04-2021 01:39PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I know that Pfizer and Moderna only was being given to the over 80s and 85s, but I'm not sure what has happened now they are moving down through the age cohorts.

Under 70 it's whatever is available unless NIAC says otherwise.

Russman · 09-04-2021 01:39PM

Strazdas wrote: »

I know that Pfizer and Moderna only was being given to the over 80s and 85s, but I'm not sure what has happened now they are moving down through the age cohorts.

AFAIK the over 70s are still just getting Pfizer / Moderna. My dad (76) is getting his tomorrow, got his reminder/confirmation text an hour ago so he's delighted after being cancelled two weeks ago !

JDD · 09-04-2021 01:46PM

My parents are 76. My Mum got Pfizer at the DCU vaccination centre two weeks ago, and my Dad got Pfizer at his GPs surgery last week. Both would have been suitable for AZ but it seems they're keeping the AZ for HCW and younger high risk patients, and keeping Pfizer for the older crowd.

I suppose it all depends on what the GP has got delivery of though. It's more likely to be Pfizer, just on sheer number of deliveries, but I don't think they've come out and said that 70-80 year olds shouldn't get AZ.

namloc1980 · 09-04-2021 01:49PM

astrofool wrote: »

Are you happy we caught up after the AZ pause and are quickly back to 95% rolled out within the week? I remember you were quite dismissive that would happen.

You remember incorrectly. You claimed it would take "weeks" to get back on track after the pause and I queried why they couldn't do it quicker with time being of the essence? If they have sorted out out on a well it kind of flies in the face of your stance that it would take "weeks".

dashoonage · 09-04-2021 01:55PM

Cheers for the replies all. Mother in for her jab in the morning. Will take whatever is given without complaint but was just wondering which one it will be.

snotboogie · 09-04-2021 01:58PM

Sconsey wrote: »

Sorry I was not aware of the caveats to your argument that you had not actually mentioned. So New Zealand does not apply. But then why include Chile, Uruguay or Bahrain whose GDP is nowhere near ours. Your argument mekes even less sense now. You can include the ones that suit your argument but I cannot?

What? NZ are purposely not vaccinating because they are zero covid and waiting for results from other countries. Nothing at all to do with their GDP.

The point is that we were told that as a small country we could not compete for vaccine supply. Yet wealthy small countries who wnet it alone are the best performing in the world.

1huge1 · 09-04-2021 02:08PM

snotboogie wrote: »

What? NZ are purposely not vaccinating because they are zero covid and waiting for results from other countries. Nothing at all to do with their GDP.

The point is that we were told that as a small country we could not compete for vaccine supply. Yet wealthy small countries who wnet it alone are the best performing in the world.

I suppose the way to look at it is that if every EU country, all 27 of them went at this indivually (big and small), we would be in a very different environment right now.

spakman · 09-04-2021 02:11PM

My mother is 71 and rang GP this morning as she hadn't heard anything from them about vaccine appointment.
The receptionist said she is well down the list and should get the vaccine in the next 4-6 weeks!
I hope to god they're basing that on past supplies and that they will be getting much larger supplies in the next couple of weeks. Otherwise she won't get her first dose until mid-May

Strazdas · 09-04-2021 02:14PM

snotboogie wrote: »

What? NZ are purposely not vaccinating because they are zero covid and waiting for results from other countries. Nothing at all to do with their GDP.

The point is that we were told that as a small country we could not compete for vaccine supply. Yet wealthy small countries who wnet it alone are the best performing in the world.

Imagine they had gone up against a Germany, France, Italy etc who were buying in hundreds of millions of vaccines and not part of any EU procurement. Germany alone could have hoovered up many tens of millions of Pfizer doses and the likes of the small wealthy countries would have been shafted in the process.

snotboogie · 09-04-2021 02:17PM

1huge1 wrote: »

I suppose the way to look at it is that if every EU country, all 27 of them went at this indivually (big and small), we would be in a very different environment right now.

Maybe but we were told that small countries would be brushed aside by the US, EU and China in the rush for vaccines. It hasn't happened.

Again, Singapore are as close as you can get to us in population size and economy but have 50% more vaccines adminstered than us (using only Pfizer and Moderna) and are currently vaccinating at twice our speed, despite us having two extra vaccines approved and being in a large buying block.

09-04-2021 02:17PM

spakman wrote: »

My mother is 71 and rang GP this morning as she hadn't heard anything from them about vaccine appointment.
The receptionist said she is well down the list and should get the vaccine in the next 4-6 weeks!
I hope to god they're basing that on past supplies and that they will be getting much larger supplies in the next couple of weeks. Otherwise she won't get her first dose until mid-May

If the portal will be open soon for the 65-69s, then it doesn't make sense to still have people 70+ waiting weeks after that. I wonder how this will be handled - will a 70 something be able to book through the portal instead of waiting for the GP?

SusanC10 · 09-04-2021 02:18PM

Are the EMA any closer to authorisation of Vaccine for 12-16 Age Group ?
Any chance of it being rolled out here before next school year starts ?

09-04-2021 02:18PM

Looks like there could be a few issues with J&J as well, good to see they’re picking up these issues early which will hopefully show people safety is the priority.

I have no idea of age groups or anything, just saw a pop up from sky, but if it was the case it impacted on younger people more and they decided to use it on older people only, I guess it could cause some delays.

All hypothetical at this stage I guess.

snotboogie · 09-04-2021 02:18PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Imagine they had gone up against a Germany, France, Italy etc who were buying in hundreds of millions of vaccines and not part of any EU procurement. Germany alone could have hoovered up many tens of millions of Pfizer doses and the likes of the small wealthy countries would have been shafted in the process.

If Germany could do it, why didn't the EU do it?

Skygord · 09-04-2021 02:22PM

The Guardian reports Thierry Breton saying that almost all of the Halix factory AstraZeneca output will now be delivered to the EU...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/apr/08/almost-all-dutch-made-astrazeneca-doses-will-stay-in-eu-says-brussels

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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