COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

VonLuck

Maxface wrote: »

I have decided myself that if when I am offered the vaccine and it is AZ, I am going to decline it. I am under 40 and no underlying conditions. Not something I thought I would say or want and I can't wait for normality. I really want to get on with things and am no way anti vax or all that but just can't shake the lack of confidence in that jab.

Can't wait for normality but will wait?

I'm sure you have taken other vaccines or medicines in your lifetime which have much higher risks than that of the AstraZeneca vaccine. People are only fearful because it's in the news.

I bet that if the same people were in a doctor's office and they prescribed you some medicine you wouldn't think twice about the potential side effects. You trust that your doctor, and the scientists behind the medicine, are qualified professionals.

Cork2021

Went for a walk around my hometown Kanturk today and it was fantastic to see all the over 70s queuing and leaving the two medical centres with renewed smiles! I stopped and talked to one couple I know and they had a few tears, hadn’t seen their grandkids since last September!

Micky 32

Vaccines certs being considered by government for sports events:


https://www.google.ie/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1208696/

Micky 32

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The thing is it's unlikely your going to know in advance what vaccine your getting. You'll register online and the appointment will be given to you. If your appointment is for a MVC it'll be whatever is in use there. It'll be a general rollout when it hits the age groups so whatever is in use for the particular age groups will be distributed to the MVC, be it Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J etc. Whatever the centre is given it'll be what they use for the age group their currently giving it to.

It's easier to tell at the moment which vaccine is being used where because its only GPs using Pfizer & Moderna & the MVCs are all mainly AZ.

The amount of people i have come across with the “ i won’t be taking it” because of the blood clot fiasco is a bit worrying.

giveitholly

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Two sisters and brother all done this week . Husband ,,another sister ., BIL and SIL all have dates for next week
All in 70-75 group , its ramping up now
Delighted

Ye will be able to have a family house party so very soon!!!!

ddarcy

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The thing is it's unlikely your going to know in advance what vaccine your getting. You'll register online and the appointment will be given to you. If your appointment is for a MVC it'll be whatever is in use there. It'll be a general rollout when it hits the age groups so whatever is in use for the particular age groups will be distributed to the MVC, be it Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J etc. Whatever the centre is given it'll be what they use for the age group their currently giving it to.

It's easier to tell at the moment which vaccine is being used where because its only GPs using Pfizer & Moderna & the MVCs are all mainly AZ.

There is always a way around things. There are certain scenarios, well documented, that you can’t get the AZ vaccine, eg allergens/past reactions. Research this and say it applies to you if you don’t want it.

Before anyone complains, it’s my firm belief that you choose what gets put into you. It’s not up to the state. The HSEs poor planning should never be your problem. If you don’t want AZ then another option must be on offer without penalty, especially with the way government has talked up vaccination as a solution. Yes you may have to wait a bit for it, like if you’d like J&J which hasn’t arrived yet.

Btw I got the AZ first shot as I researched it and found any issues it had were not applicable to me. My mind is being changed on the second dose as the US changed entry policies and the FDA needs to approve it. AZ have made a complete balls out of it and I get a sense that the EUA won’t be given, they’ll need the full blown trial and approval process, which easily means next year at the earliest. So currently I’m being forced, or anyone who wants to go to the US in the future, to get Pfizer/Moderna/J&J until they sort themselves out. They’ve a few weeks left before that decision will have to be made.

Maxface

VonLuck wrote: »

Can't wait for normality but will wait?

I'm sure you have taken other vaccines or medicines in your lifetime which have much higher risks than that of the AstraZeneca vaccine. People are only fearful because it's in the news.

I bet that if the same people were in a doctor's office and they prescribed you some medicine you wouldn't think twice about the potential side effects. You trust that your doctor, and the scientists behind the medicine, are qualified professionals.

True, and I am far from that person that doesn't want to take it. It is a thought for me and I never sat in a doctors before when offered medication with as much information I have ever got prior, look I understand this is not what is I guess needed now, it is hopefully only me. The vast vast majority will take whatever is given, my thoughts are a bit more reserved and I want to wait.

Russman

Micky 32 wrote: »

The amount of people i have come across with the “ i won’t be taking it” because of the blood clot fiasco is a bit worrying.

Absolutely. Like the saying goes, “if you’re explaining, you’re losing”, once the idea gets into a percentage of the public that there’s an issue, no amount of reassurance from the powers that be will change it.

Russman

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The thing is it's unlikely your going to know in advance what vaccine your getting. You'll register online and the appointment will be given to you. If your appointment is for a MVC it'll be whatever is in use there. It'll be a general rollout when it hits the age groups so whatever is in use for the particular age groups will be distributed to the MVC, be it Pfizer, Moderna, AZ, J&J etc. Whatever the centre is given it'll be what they use for the age group their currently giving it to.

It's easier to tell at the moment which vaccine is being used where because its only GPs using Pfizer & Moderna & the MVCs are all mainly AZ.

Is that definitely the case ? On the HSE site it says that when you register at the MVC on arrival they’ll tell you what vaccine you’re getting and confirm it matches with what one you were told in your text message:


Reception area

When you arrive at the reception area, a receptionist will take your details and check your ID.

The receptionist will also tell you which COVID-19 vaccine you will be getting. This should match what is in your registration text.

Strazdas

Russman wrote: »

Absolutely. Like the saying goes, “if you’re explaining, you’re losing”, once the idea gets into a percentage of the public that there’s an issue, no amount of reassurance from the powers that be will change it.

I suspect the issue of non uptake will be greatly exaggerated in the next week or two. People saying how they will refuse point blank to take AZ are probably vaccine sceptics in general and not even keen on the other three. I don't see a scenario where large numbers of people refuse AZ (especially as those being offered it right at the moment are the high risk groups of contracting Covid).

ddarcy

Russman wrote: »

Is that definitely the case ? On the HSE site it says that when you register at the MVC on arrival they’ll tell you what vaccine you’re getting and confirm it matches with what one you were told in your text message:


Reception area

When you arrive at the reception area, a receptionist will take your details and check your ID.

The receptionist will also tell you which COVID-19 vaccine you will be getting. This should match what is in your registration text.

The text I got said AZ. They may have changed that though do to no shows

Russman

Strazdas wrote: »

I suspect the issue of non uptake will be greatly exaggerated in the next week or two. People saying how they will refuse point blank to take AZ are probably vaccine sceptics in general and not even keen on the other three. I don't see a scenario where large numbers of people refuse AZ (especially as those being offered it right at the moment are the high risk groups of contracting Covid).

Possibly. My own mother is 69 and was mad keen to get a vaccine but likely won’t take AZ. She has a history of clots and a brain aneurysm and is terrified of it.

Strazdas

Russman wrote: »

Possibly. My own mother is 69 and was mad keen to get a vaccine but likely won’t take AZ. She has a history of clots and a brain aneurysm and is terrified of it.

I can imagine people with very specific concerns might pass up on AZ if offered it, but I'd be a bit surprised if those declining it went much over, say, 10% or so. Most people being offered it at the moment are in the high risk groups and need to be vaccinated quickly.

Van.Bosch

[Deleted User] wrote: »

This may be a stupid question but have the staff of the quarantine hotels been vaccinated? And the defence forces transporting them

Hotel staff have been anyway, not all but it is underway.

Cork Lass

Strazdas wrote: »

I can imagine people with very specific concerns might pass up on AZ if offered it, but I'd be a bit surprised if those declining it went much over, say, 10% or so. Most people being offered it at the moment are in the high risk groups and need to be vaccinated quickly.

I'm unsure about the AZ as i have very limited mobility in one leg and have to take anti clotting injections before long flights etc. I'll make an appointment to discuss my with GP and will take guidance from him. If he okays it then I'll happily take it.

JTMan

JTMan wrote: »

What is going on in Slovakia with Sputnik V is interesting as Bloomberg reports here.

- Slovakia accused Moscow of delivering shots that were different from those used in a peer-reviewed study.
- Russia has in anger demanded Bratislava return the 200,000 doses it sent.
- Slovakian regulator has said it has not received sufficient documents from Russia to declare it safe and effective.
- Head of Slovak State Institute for Drug Control, said in a report. “The comparability and consistency of various batches produced in different places hasn’t been confirmed. In several cases, it appears that the vaccines have different properties.”

This report is in addition to reports that the EMA are investigating Russia for ethical violations in their trials for forcing people to partake.

Establishing equivalence is a basic requirement of a product transfer. This would be a bit concerning about the contract manufacturers being engaged by Gamalaya, and their monitoring of the manufacturers.

Hmm_Messiah

nibtrix wrote: »

Do you have one of the listed "VERY high risk" or "High risk" conditions listed on this page under cohorts 4 and 7? https://www2.hse.ie/screening-and-vaccinations/covid-19-vaccine/rollout/rollout.html#progress-update

If yes, and you are not under the care of any consultant, then your GP is the only one who can put you forward under those cohorts - to my knowledge.

Yes I am under criteria
GP impossible to contact ...not takin covid/vaccine calls

Will try progress it

Maxface

Maxface wrote: »

I have decided myself that if when I am offered the vaccine and it is AZ, I am going to decline it. I am under 40 and no underlying conditions. Not something I thought I would say or want and I can't wait for normality. I really want to get on with things and am no way anti vax or all that but just can't shake the lack of confidence in that jab.

I really need to drive to the shops today but I heard 60 people per day in the EU die in car accidents. This has really shaken my confidence in cars. I can’t wait to get the food I need to eat, but I just can shake the lack of confidence in cars.

Hmm_Messiah

bodhrandude wrote: »

I would suggest post on this thread too as its more specific to your query as well.

Thanks... Will try in am

Now all siblings vaccinated

And wrecking my head talking about side affects

Then the clotting stories..and I not worried by them as I have low platelets count..,so less chance of clottng...normally...only for more details yesterday how the AZ clotting stories relate to low platelets!!

And a parent died from covid19

So not a great few weeks.... Hopefully will sort it out

Polar101

Russman wrote: »

Possibly. My own mother is 69 and was mad keen to get a vaccine but likely won’t take AZ. She has a history of clots and a brain aneurysm and is terrified of it.

My mother is of a similar age (and has underlying conditions), she got her first AZ dose a month ago, and didn't have any issues yet. Since it's been a month, she's got some protection by now, so one less thing for me to worry about I guess. 8 weeks to go until Jab #2.

bodhrandude

When does the online portal launch live, as I'm fed up waiting or trying to find info about my place in the queue for cohort 4. Actually I'm confused, my sister was in cohort 4 with heavy asthma and she had her first inoculation in early April. I have emphysema myself but I'm not even sure if I am in cohort 4 or cohort 7. My doctor said I was severe high risk so I should be cohort 4.

Jane1012

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I really need to drive to the shops today but I heard 60 people per day in the EU die in car accidents. This has really shaken my confidence in cars. I can’t wait to get the food I need to eat, but I just can shake the lack of confidence in cars.

But lucky the alternative of a bicycle exists which does not carry the same risks of travelling in these cars, so I will get to the shops after all but will take the alternative safe option for me.

Turtwig

Jane1012 wrote: »

But lucky the alternative of a bicycle exists which does not carry the same risks of travelling in these cars, so I will get to the shops after all but will take the alternative safe option for me.

The risk of a cycling accident while carrying heavy loads...

correct horse battery staple

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

You might have had a point if online deliveries (vaccines without deadly side effects) didn’t exist

And let those deadly delivery drivers(mRNA), near my property (cells).


I believe that equivalent point was made by someone else. Someone will always exaggerate risk. Maybe the vaccine campaign could do with the shot in the arm of saying - only j&j or Pfizer for women under 50, however the risk is tiny, and now that it’s known, those impact can seek treatment rapidly. It’s not something that lies in wait for weeks or years. The impact will be visible within days if it is going to happen.

Anyone who is worried, and have other medications around the house - look at the side effects of those and associated risk and you will see that you regularly accept far greater risk with everyday medications. Because the vaccination programme is so high profile and the numbers being administered so high, the apparent risk far exceeds the real risk

Russman

Deleted User wrote: »

I really need to drive to the shops today but I heard 60 people per day in the EU die in car accidents. This has really shaken my confidence in cars. I can’t wait to get the food I need to eat, but I just can shake the lack of confidence in cars.

I often agree with your posts Raind, but ridiculing a legitimate worry someone has won’t do anyone any good. No matter how irrational someone else might think it is, someone’s fear isn’t easily dispelled.

JPup

Polar101 wrote: »

My mother is of a similar age (and has underlying conditions), she got her first AZ dose a month ago, and didn't have any issues yet. Since it's been a month, she's got some protection by now, so one less thing for me to worry about I guess. 8 weeks to go until Jab #2.

It’s much better than some protection. A month after getting her first dose, your mothers chances of getting seriously ill from Covid have been greatly reduced. As in, it is extremely unlikely. Someone might be able to give you a link to some stats, but that is my understanding of the experience in Britain.

Charles Babbage

The Swedes seem to have updated their "prognosis" for vaccine deliveries.
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/statistik-och-analyser/prognos-av-vaccinleveranser/

In April, AZ are down (no surprise there), J&J is becoming a token delivery in April, Moderna are actually marginally up in April and Pfizer unchanged.

Curevac hope to wrap up trials in 3 or 4 weeks and get approval by early June. As they are already producing and as the EU has first dibs then perhaps the Curevac volumes in June are actually realistic.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/08/covid-vaccine-maker-curevac-hopes-shot-will-get-eu-approval-in-june.html

bodhrandude

When does the online portal go live.

eoinbn

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The Swedes seem to have updated their "prognosis" for vaccine deliveries.
https://www.folkhalsomyndigheten.se/smittskydd-beredskap/utbrott/aktuella-utbrott/covid-19/statistik-och-analyser/prognos-av-vaccinleveranser/

In April, AZ are down (no surprise there), J&J is becoming a token delivery in April, Moderna are actually marginally up in April and Pfizer unchanged.

Curevac hope to wrap up trials in 3 or 4 weeks and get approval by early June. As they are already producing and as the EU has first dibs then perhaps the Curevac volumes in June are actually realistic.
https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/08/covid-vaccine-maker-curevac-hopes-shot-will-get-eu-approval-in-june.html

Those numbers seem to be closer to the previous estimate of 860k. The Moderna figure seems to be jumping around a lot.
That figure for Curevac has been in the German press. They had planned for more in June but recently cut the forecast by 60%. Their production won't really kick into high gear until Q4.

Qrt

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Cillian De Gascun says he doesn't expect COVID vaccines to become an annual thing, he thinks it will be more likely we may need boosters every few years

When did he say that? I don’t dispute it and it’s what I’ve always thought but I’d like to see someone corroborate that.