Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

BobbyBolivia · 08-04-2021 11:05PM

dalyboy wrote: »

It’s not about agreeing or disagreeing with people on this thread.
It’s on the Irish examiner at the moment in black and white

I think s/he is saying that some people were calling for MHQ without fully realising the consequences of it.

When it is playing out in real time in it's infuriating insanity - it is very easy to see how stupid it is. With the Isreal and USA situations in particular.

The poster is saying that many are too entrenched in their opinion of having supported MHQ initially and having now seen what is becoming of it, they are too stubborn to publically admit how mental and stupid it is (or parts of it at the bare minimum).

The poster can speak for themselves anyway, if I have misinterpreted anything.

Corholio · 08-04-2021 11:09PM

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

I think s/he is saying that some people were calling for MHQ without fully realising the consequences of it.

When it is playing out in real time in it's infuriating insanity - it is very easy to see how stupid it is. With the Isreal and USA situations in particular.

The poster is saying that many are too entrenched in their opinion of having supported MHQ initially and having now seen what is becoming of it, they are too stubborn to publically admit how mental and stupid it is (or parts of it at the bare minimum).

The poster can speak for themselves anyway, if I have misinterpreted anything.

No you are right, and again I don't have anything against people with different opinion, but I just can't see justifications for these particular things.

Str8outtaWuhan · 09-04-2021 07:00AM

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

Sums it up.

https://twitter.com/higginsdavidw/status/1379524656621891591

Isn't international travel responsible for 100% of cases?

unless you think the irish have a tradition of eating bats?

daydorunrun · 09-04-2021 07:13AM

Examiner seems to have gone on a solo run with the USA + EU Mhq story. Haven’t seen it anywhere else yet.

faceman · 09-04-2021 07:15AM

The EU have been asked about the legality of MHQ and they won’t be intervening.

The Irish Times wrote:

Concerns were raised that freedom-of-movement rules within the EU could be impinged. However, the European Commission has now said that the system is a matter for the Government and would not seem to go against agreed EU recommendations on travel.

“Member states may decide to impose rules of quarantine when they believe there are causes for public health,” European Commission spokesman Stefan De Keersmaecker said.

“Quarantine and testing requirements and the conditions for these are national public-health measures that fall under the competence of member states.”

Asked whether hotel quarantine for EU citizens violated a principle of freedom of movement, another commission spokesman, Adalbert Jahnz, said Ireland’s plan did not seem to go against a jointly agreed EU approach to travel during the pandemic.

“The latest of these recommendations dates from February 1st this year which addresses in particular what to do with the problem of variants as well as a new dark red colour that was added to the common map of the epidemiological situation that is made by the ECDC, indicating areas where the virus is circulating at very high levels,” he said.

“This amended recommendation provides specifically that travellers from such areas, dark red areas within the EU, should be required to do a pre-departure test as well as undergo quarantine or self-isolation after arrival. And similarly such measures could also apply to areas with high prevalence of variants of concern.

“Our understanding is that Ireland would require mandatory quarantine from travellers coming from areas with high prevalence of variants of concern, and therefore these measures would not appear to go beyond what is set out in the [European] Council recommendation.”

Asked whether the use of hotels as facilities for quarantine was an issue, Mr Jahnz said this was a matter for member states.

“Not specifically, I have to say that the council recommendations specifically address more the principle than the implementation and then it is up to each member state to make sure that the implementation and enforcement are applied in line with the general principles of EU law.”

faceman · 09-04-2021 07:16AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

Examiner seems to have gone on a solo run with the USA + EU Mhq story. Haven’t seen it anywhere else yet.

It’s in the Times and the Indo, the Indo have confirmed Coveney has backed down

daydorunrun · 09-04-2021 07:26AM

faceman wrote: »

It’s in the Times and the Indo, the Indo have confirmed Coveney has backed down

It’s comical how late this is being introduced.
Just as it seems there is light at the end of the tunnel with vaccines being proven effective here our government do this because of a variant that doesn’t and may never exist.
They won’t even announce an exit strategy for this.
Shocking really.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 09-04-2021 07:29AM

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/international-vaccine-recognition-system-needed-for-return-of-travel-nphet-says-1108511.html

“We need some way of being able to stand over what people shows as proof of vaccination and as proof of immunity.”

The EU has targeted June for the introduction of a vaccine passport system.

“We hope to see some developments in the coming weeks in relation to that,” Prof Nolan said

There may be a crack of light here. NPHET speaking positively about travel!!

titan18 · 09-04-2021 07:33AM

faceman wrote: »

The EU have been asked about the legality of MHQ and they won’t be intervening.

Important point there I feel is

“Our understanding is that Ireland would require mandatory quarantine from travellers coming from areas with high prevalence of variants of concern, and therefore these measures would not appear to go beyond what is set out in the [European] Council recommendation.”

Cos, it's fair to say we're putting countries on the list that don't have a high prevalence, and there's a lack of criteria for who goes on and off.

Beasty · 09-04-2021 07:55AM

Threads merged

Gael23 · 09-04-2021 08:01AM

Deleted User wrote: »

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As long as ireland doesn’t impose MHQ from the UK (which for the life of me I don’t know how we could) then there’ll be ways around all of this

Especially if you have two passports and so can avoid passport stamps in the ‘clean’ one

Wont happen. They cannot put up a border with NI so people from the UK can come through Belfast

Chuck Norris 2021 · 09-04-2021 08:02AM

daydorunrun wrote: »

It’s comical how late this is being introduced.
Just as it seems there is light at the end of the tunnel with vaccines being proven effective here our government do this because of a variant that doesn’t and may never exist.
They won’t even announce an exit strategy for this.
Shocking really.

I was really panicked about the whole thing the last few days. But looking at what is going on in the background, I think this is a purely temporary measure. Once they get their finger out and vaccinate the remainder of the older population, most of whom vote FF or FG, they'll ease the restrictions pretty quickly. I can only image MM is going to have dozy Joe on the phone to him pretty quickly telling him to cop on, and Europe will apply pressure once their figures improve (only a matter of weeks). It's all just a game of smoke and mirrors. I think the best thing that those of us who want to travel can do right now is not panic, sit back and have a good old laugh at the comedy sketch that's about to unfold with MHQ. Its going to become one huge meme. Happy Friday all, we'll escape soon.

SusanC10 · 09-04-2021 08:09AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

I was really panicked about the whole thing the last few days. But looking at what is going on in the background, I think this is a purely temporary measure. Once they get their finger out and vaccinate the remainder of the older population, most of whom vote FF or FG, they'll ease the restrictions pretty quickly. I can only image MM is going to have dozy Joe on the phone to him pretty quickly telling him to cop on, and Europe will apply pressure once their figures improve (only a matter of weeks). It's all just a game of smoke and mirrors. I think the best thing that those of us who want to travel can do right now is not panic, sit back and have a good old laugh at the comedy sketch that's about to unfold with MHQ. Its going to become one huge meme. Happy Friday all, we'll escape soon.

Thanks for that. I think I will join you in your thinking. Happy Friday!

Micky 32 · 09-04-2021 08:14AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/international-vaccine-recognition-system-needed-for-return-of-travel-nphet-says-1108511.html

“We need some way of being able to stand over what people shows as proof of vaccination and as proof of immunity.”

The EU has targeted June for the introduction of a vaccine passport system.

“We hope to see some developments in the coming weeks in relation to that,” Prof Nolan said

There may be a crack of light here. NPHET speaking positively about travel!!

I had to check the article’s date, made sure it wasn’t 1/4/21 :pac:

faceman · 09-04-2021 08:15AM

The proposed U.K. travel plan sounds messy and costly.

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/q-and-a-how-will-the-uks-new-traffic-light-system-for-foreign-travel-work-40291601.html

Chuck Norris 2021 · 09-04-2021 08:16AM

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/international-vaccine-recognition-system-needed-for-return-of-travel-nphet-says-40290178.html

Chuck Norris 2021 · 09-04-2021 08:23AM

faceman wrote: »

The proposed U.K. travel plan sounds messy and costly.

https://www.independent.ie/life/travel/travel-news/q-and-a-how-will-the-uks-new-traffic-light-system-for-foreign-travel-work-40291601.html

It's certainly complicated, and probably still aimed at discouraging travel. A lot of people will be too nervous about a change in status while abroad. Still better than here in that they can legally travel at least. I would imagine that they'll end up adopting whatever the EU does for simplicity though. At least it's encouraging to see a government being someway proactive about restarting travel. And again, our sheep will be looking over the fence at them. I think if the anti travel mob see the UK on the move they'll flip flop and want it here.

Gael23 · 09-04-2021 08:26AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/international-vaccine-recognition-system-needed-for-return-of-travel-nphet-says-40290178.html

First positive thing I’ve heard them say in over a year.

I just hope it’s signed and sealed before Tony returns to the chair so he doesn’t stand in the way

Wallander · 09-04-2021 08:27AM

faceman wrote: »

The EU have been asked about the legality of MHQ and they won’t be intervening.

I wouldn't be so sure. It's difficult to square reports that there was "consternation" in Brussels and EU capitals when the plan first emerged, along with the Attorney General's concerns, and now they've decided to go for it they've realised it was fine all along?

Spokespeople like this are usually just responding to journalists' emails by copying and pasting policy and adding clauses like "as far as I understand" etc. Doesn't necessarily reflect what's happening behind the scenes.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 09-04-2021 08:32AM

Gael23 wrote: »

First positive thing I’ve heard them say in over a year.

I just hope it’s signed and sealed before Tony returns to the chair so he doesn’t stand in the way

NPHET, unlike the government, seem to row in the same direction, no silly leaks of internal jabs. I think people are getting very weary of them, no more caricatures in superman outfits like there was in the beginning. I know they've done a lot for the country, but they are a fame hungry bunch and they'll want to come out of this as the heroes so they'll need to be seen to be proactive. It'll also give people the push they need to 'keep going for a few more weeks'

Gael23 · 09-04-2021 08:38AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

NPHET, unlike the government, seem to row in the same direction, no silly leaks of internal jabs. I think people are getting very weary of them, no more caricatures in superman outfits like there was in the beginning. I know they've done a lot for the country, but they are a fame hungry bunch and they'll want to come out of this as the heroes so they'll need to be seen to be proactive. It'll also give people the push they need to 'keep going for a few more weeks'

Agree, but they have a zero risk approach. Very little is zero risk

09-04-2021 08:39AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

It's certainly complicated, and probably still aimed at discouraging travel. A lot of people will be too nervous about a change in status while abroad. Still better than here in that they can legally travel at least. I would imagine that they'll end up adopting whatever the EU does for simplicity though. At least it's encouraging to see a government being someway proactive about restarting travel. And again, our sheep will be looking over the fence at them. I think if the anti travel mob see the UK on the move they'll flip flop and want it here.

It’s the exact same as it is now, but with the addition of the lighter, and presumably cheaper, test package for green countries. The purchase of a test package for £200 before returning (with the optional addition of a day 5 test) is already the process. Not sure how it took so long for this report to be written and how much it cost!!

I like the ‘green watchlist’ though, to give some comfort as the stability of the green status

So basically to travel you need a test to go out, a test before you come back, and a test package for after you get back. Which would cost in total c £450 per person. And another £140 for the 5 day early release test. Pretty prohibitive for most

Theboinkmaster · 09-04-2021 08:43AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

I was really panicked about the whole thing the last few days. But looking at what is going on in the background, I think this is a purely temporary measure. Once they get their finger out and vaccinate the remainder of the older population, most of whom vote FF or FG, they'll ease the restrictions pretty quickly. I can only image MM is going to have dozy Joe on the phone to him pretty quickly telling him to cop on, and Europe will apply pressure once their figures improve (only a matter of weeks). It's all just a game of smoke and mirrors. I think the best thing that those of us who want to travel can do right now is not panic, sit back and have a good old laugh at the comedy sketch that's about to unfold with MHQ. Its going to become one huge meme. Happy Friday all, we'll escape soon.

I agree but my issue is the DFA and passport office - they could remain closed for another few months...to try to block some travel.

There's no reason why they shouldn't be open right now, 5th May at the absolute latest.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 09-04-2021 08:43AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Agree, but they have a zero risk approach. Very little is zero risk

I think by summer a deaf ear could be turned to a lot of their advice. Once vaccination is progressed, and the risks are greatly reduced, the governments attention will turn to the next general election. I think there is a plan to throw open the doors, they're just not telling us until last minute.

Chuck Norris 2021 · 09-04-2021 08:47AM

Theboinkmaster wrote: »

I agree but my issue is the DFA and passport office - they could remain closed for another few months...to try to block some travel.

There's no reason why they shouldn't be open right now, 5th May at the absolute latest.

I've contacted them through the webchat, no indication yet as to when they'll open. They're doing one printing run a week, emergency passports first, and then randomly chosen online renewals, so if yours is just a renewal it could show up. I've read on here that several people have received them within days, and read that another poster had got the same response. My wife's one is the problem, so it's just a wait and see if it turns up in the post. At least the fact that they are printing means the backlog will be smaller, especially for renewals. I have another way to get it, but I'll sit on it another few weeks.

Theboinkmaster · 09-04-2021 08:50AM

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

I've contacted them through the webchat, no indication yet as to when they'll open. They're doing one printing run a week, emergency passports first, and then randomly chosen online renewals, so if yours is just a renewal it could show up. I've read on here that several people have received them within days, and read that another poster had got the same response. My wife's one is the problem, so it's just a wait and see if it turns up in the post. At least the fact that they are printing means the backlog will be smaller, especially for renewals. I have another way to get it, but I'll sit on it another few weeks.

They've confirmed simple online adult renewals are being done. So yes i agree at least the backlog will be kept to a minimum and they seem confident any backlog will be cleared in 6-8 weeks which i do believe.

However what I'm not confident in is when they will actually re-open....they don't seem to be answerable to anyone so in theory could stay closed until September.

JojoLoca · 09-04-2021 08:50AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s the exact same as it is now, but with the addition of the lighter, and presumably cheaper, test package for green countries. The purchase of a test package for £200 before returning (with the optional addition of a day 5 test) is already the process. Not sure how it took so long for this report to be written and how much it cost!!

I like the ‘green watchlist’ though, to give some comfort as the stability of the green status

So basically to travel you need a test to go out, a test before you come back, and a test package for after you get back. Which would cost in total c £450 per person. And another £140 for the 5 day early release test. Pretty prohibitive for most

The anti-travel crowd will be screaming for us to have exactly same thing here and I fear it might actually happen. They will align Ireland to UK, rather than the rest of EU.

Micky 32 · 09-04-2021 08:52AM

Ah the joys of having a passport that has an expiration of another 8 years

:pac:.

Gael23 · 09-04-2021 08:57AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Ah the joys of having a passport that has an expiration of another 8 years :pac:.

Me too. Valid 2019 to 2029&#55357;&#56834;

Chuck Norris 2021 · 09-04-2021 08:59AM

Gael23 wrote: »

Me too. Valid 209 to 2029😂

+1, might be going on holidays on my own :pac:

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