Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

JojoLoca

JojoLoca wrote: »

The anti-travel crowd will be screaming for us to have exactly same thing here and I fear it might actually happen. They will align Ireland to UK, rather than the rest of EU.

Except, like here, the caveat to all of the UK plan is that it will be supervised by a vaccination cert mechanism as soon as is worked out. So should be only relatively short term

Hellrazer

Micky 32 wrote: »

Ah the joys of having a passport that has an expiration of another 8 years :pac:.

Gael23 wrote: »

Me too. Valid 2019 to 2029��

Breaking news "NPHET says the next 8 years are crucial"

You too just might be able to travel just before your passports expire :D

BobbyBolivia

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s the exact same as it is now, but with the addition of the lighter, and presumably cheaper, test package for green countries. The purchase of a test package for £200 before returning (with the optional addition of a day 5 test) is already the process. Not sure how it took so long for this report to be written and how much it cost!!

I like the ‘green watchlist’ though, to give some comfort as the stability of the green status

So basically to travel you need a test to go out, a test before you come back, and a test package for after you get back. Which would cost in total c £450 per person. And another £140 for the 5 day early release test. Pretty prohibitive for most

Yes, this was not the news that anybody hoping to travel should have been hoping for.

The UK have, at least right now, ended up being far more prohibitive on travel than anyone expected.

I wouldn't be cheering this in any way. Maybe there will be some more movement later in the year once vaccination programs ramp up massively in other countries.

There is also the potential vaccine cert to come into play but who knows when that will happen.

For now it looks like it is Ireland or mainland UK for travel for the next couple of months. I will probably book London for August just to get out of Ireland. Pretty sad stuff.

Gael23

I’ve never been to London so I’m happy enough with that

Str8outtaWuhan

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

Yes, this was not the news that anybody hoping to travel should have been hoping for.

The UK have, at least right now, ended up being far more prohibitive on travel than anyone expected.

I wouldn't be cheering this in any way. Maybe there will be some more movement later in the year once vaccination programs ramp up massively in other countries.

There is also the potential vaccine cert to come into play but who knows when that will happen.

For now it looks like it is Ireland or mainland UK for travel for the next couple of months. I will probably book London for August just to get out of Ireland. Pretty sad stuff.

Cornwall this summer will be beautiful, have relations there and as soon as we see the score i plan to pack up the family and take the boat from belfast to liverpool for a month.

Multipass

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Cornwall this summer will be beautiful, have relations there and as soon as we see the score i plan to pack up the family and take the boat from belfast to liverpool for a month.

Except it’ll be so packed you won’t be able to move. Will be very hard to book anywhere this year.

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

One saving grace is that the post Brexit UK will never have hotel quarantine for Americans. So there’ll always be a way to get around it. And whatever might be put in place in the UK for EU countries will be released in the summer.

Because the UK has an exit plan.

As long as ireland doesn’t impose MHQ from the UK (which for the life of me I don’t know how we could) then there’ll be ways around all of this

Especially if you have two passports and so can avoid passport stamps in the ‘clean’ one

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Thanks. Going to the states for a family wedding in July. Guess I’ll switch my return flight now go to the UK. Then switch passports. Once these MHQs are in place, they’ll be here for the year for sure

You keep going on about your two passports like it's some kind of miracle loophole. Why?

It's not how your travel is tracked and you are flagged as coming from a quarantine country before your last flight lands. If they don't pick you up at the airport, you still subject to the legal requirements and can still be prosecuted date the fact.

(I'm not saying that will actually happen)

Str8outtaWuhan

Multipass wrote: »

Except it’ll be so packed you won’t be able to move. Will be very hard to book anywhere this year.

They have space and land, i have a massive tent unused from all the cancelled festivals

josip

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

Cornwall this summer will be beautiful, have relations there and as soon as we see the score i plan to pack up the family and take the boat from belfast to liverpool for a month.

Do you live in NI?
If not, then is there a need to travel via NI when your end destination is the UK and you'll be traveling in July or August?

Chuck Norris 2021

A senior government source said it's not something that will happen in the short term but it will be looked at "for the medium term."

The source said Ireland is "working closely" with the EU on 'Green passes' which would essentially allow for free travel within the EU for people who are fully vaccinated.

The source added: "A pan-EU system is being developed that would allow people to show, in any member state, verification of vaccination."

Admittedly this is plucked from a tabloid, but I think a clear pattern is starting to emerge this morning. This is from an article on the unfortunate Israeli healthcare worker current stuck in the internment camp. As suspected, the government have not got their 'sh*tting pants' on because they've suddenly realised that they've created a monster they can't manage. So it's now time to adapt the European green cert system asap, and hide behind it. This is about to get very entertaining in a way, but I feel truly awful for some of the people they have imprisoned. Another example was the Austrian family detained despite their plans to head for NI. I know they'll be people on here saying she should have known etc etc, but she is a healthcare worker, and who would believe any developed country would allow this to happen.

Micky 32

Gael23 wrote: »

I’ve never been to London so I’m happy enough with that

I often hop over to Wales on the ferry some weekends for a nice Sunday drive and walk around the Snowdonia mountains. If i could ever get to resume that again it would keep me going.

Tazz T

Travel companies in the UK are now cancelling flights due to the UK insisting on travellers having PCR tests both before and after holidays. Budget charter airline Jet2 has suspended flights up to the 23rd June. Understandable given that the tests will cost as much if not more than the cost of flights for families.

Gael23

Gael23 wrote: »

I’ve never been to London so I’m happy enough with that

Really? Pricey but fantastic city to visit. I have been probable 20 times and would still go again tomorrow

Chuck Norris 2021

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Really? Pricey but fantastic city to visit. I have been probable 20 times and would still go again tomorrow

Lived and worked there for 18 months, had a company supplied apartment in Covent Garden for 12 months of that, smack bang in the west end, would love to be back there now!

scamalert

Tazz T wrote: »

Travel companies in the UK are now cancelling flights due to the UK insisting on travellers having PCR tests both before and after holidays. Budget charter airline Jet2 has suspended flights up to the 23rd June. Understandable given that the tests will cost as much if not more than the cost of flights for families.

fair enough that flight companies take measures, someone said test here costs 200e which is mad money in itself, UK seems to want people to have em booked in advance, and even 1 extra if its red or amber countries, cant see regular people opting for such madness as depending on final destination this could turn into never ending quarantine.


and given **** show that exists here were fully vaccinated people are locked up for extortion seems gov lost their **** a while a ago.

Donald Trump

Chuck Norris 2021 wrote: »

Admittedly this is plucked from a tabloid, but I think a clear pattern is starting to emerge this morning. This is from an article on the unfortunate Israeli healthcare worker current stuck in the internment camp.
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I know they'll be people on here saying she should have known etc etc, but she is a healthcare worker, and who would believe any developed country would allow this to happen.

You should know that if Ireland had the same controls in place as Israel does currently, she would not be getting in at all at the current point in time.

"healthcare worker" is a misleading and irrelevant distraction anyway.

Gael23

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Really? Pricey but fantastic city to visit. I have been probable 20 times and would still go again tomorrow

Would I need to wait until I get this green pass to go? Was sort of looking at late summer

fm

Tazz T wrote: »

Travel companies in the UK are now cancelling flights due to the UK insisting on travellers having PCR tests both before and after holidays. Budget charter airline Jet2 has suspended flights up to the 23rd June. Understandable given that the tests will cost as much if not more than the cost of flights for families.

The same will happen here,"embrace" the eu digital green certificate and add tests to make it more difficult and expensive for people

BobbyBolivia

Gael23 wrote: »

Would I need to wait until I get this green pass to go? Was sort of looking at late summer

There is still a ban on non essential travel and Gardai stationed at airports fining people. So currently airports are a no go (unless you get lucky with fasttrack)

If you are going to go via Belfast to Liverpool, you do not even need a negative PCR test. You can just turn up and get on. The only barrier to this at the moment is the 5km/countywide restrictions. Once these are removed you can head off to Belfast with absolutely no issues. Irish people are treated the exact same as UK citizens for the purposes of travel within the CTA by the UK gov.

M_Murphy57

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

There is still a ban on non essential travel and Gardai stationed at airports fining people. So currently airports are a no go (unless you get lucky with fasttrack)

If you are going to go via Belfast to Liverpool, you do not even need a negative PCR test. You can just turn up and get on. The only barrier to this at the moment is the 5km/countywide restrictions. Once these are removed you can head off to Belfast with absolutely no issues. Irish people are treated the exact same as UK citizens for the purposes of travel within the CTA by the UK gov.

The larne to stranraer ferry also and is only 2 hours across (though would mean a much longer journey south for anyone hoping to visit London )

Chuck Norris 2021

Donald Trump wrote: »

You should know that if Ireland had the same controls in place as Israel does currently, she would not be getting in at all at the current point in time.

"healthcare worker" is a misleading and irrelevant distraction anyway.

It doesn't matter, it'll be reported in a totally biased way and will be used as a stick to poke the whole MHQ system.

Gael23

BobbyBolivia wrote: »

There is still a ban on non essential travel and Gardai stationed at airports fining people. So currently airports are a no go (unless you get lucky with fasttrack)

If you are going to go via Belfast to Liverpool, you do not even need a negative PCR test. You can just turn up and get on. The only barrier to this at the moment is the 5km/countywide restrictions. Once these are removed you can head off to Belfast with absolutely no issues. Irish people are treated the exact same as UK citizens for the purposes of travel within the CTA by the UK gov.

That ban is only under level 5 though isn’t it?

DylanJM

Gael23 wrote: »

That ban is only under level 5 though isn’t it?

No. The fine is also increasing to €2,000 from Monday.

BobbyBolivia

Gael23 wrote: »

That ban is only under level 5 though isn’t it?

The non essential travel ban will not be changed before June at the earliest.

We will no longer be in level 5 come early/mid May so the ban is not linked to level 5.

Klonker

Tazz T wrote: »

Travel companies in the UK are now cancelling flights due to the UK insisting on travellers having PCR tests both before and after holidays. Budget charter airline Jet2 has suspended flights up to the 23rd June. Understandable given that the tests will cost as much if not more than the cost of flights for families.

I'm a bit lazy to read the report fully on this but why would the UK be insisting on a test before you go? Should that not be up to the country you are flying too? What difference would that make to the rate of covid in the UK?

Micky 32

Micky 32 wrote: »

Ah the joys of having a passport that has an expiration of another 8 years :pac:.

Or having more than one passport

Tazz T

Klonker wrote: »

I'm a bit lazy to read the report fully on this but why would the UK be insisting on a test before you go? Should that not be up to the country you are flying too? What difference would that make to the rate of covid in the UK?

The rules are completely independent of the country you fly to which will have their own rules in place, which you'll also have to comply with. I would assume the predeparture test is to prevent the spread of infections during the flight.

Dr. Em

Klonker wrote: »

I'm a bit lazy to read the report fully on this but why would the UK be insisting on a test before you go? Should that not be up to the country you are flying too? What difference would that make to the rate of covid in the UK?

Are you referring to the 'predeparture test'? That means that you need to get tested before getting on a plane to the UK. For the sake of example, if Greece were on the green list and were to implement exactly the same rules as the UK, you would need to get a test before getting on the plane to Greece, after arriving in Greece, before getting on the plane to the UK, and after arriving in the UK - a total of 4 tests.

titan18

Dr. Em wrote: »

Are you referring to the 'predeparture test'? That means that you need to get tested before getting on a plane to the UK. For the sake of example, if Greece were on the green list and were to implement exactly the same rules as the UK, you would need to get a test before getting on the plane to Greece, after arriving in Greece, before getting on the plane to the UK, and after arriving in the UK - a total of 4 tests.

If it's only PCR, that means a good 500 euro at least per person for travelling. I think you can write the summer off for tourism for the vast majority if those rules are in place all over. Maybe by September/October, things will open up a bit if all of Europe is vaccinated by then.

Chuck Norris 2021

titan18 wrote: »

If it's only PCR, that means a good 500 euro at least per person for travelling. I think you can write the summer off for tourism for the vast majority if those rules are in place all over. Maybe by September/October, things will open up a bit if all of Europe is vaccinated by then.

At the moment it's €2k per person just to get out, so it's good value if you look at it that way :pac: