COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Yes highest level of protection at end of May when they started this group in January. Outstanding. UK are vaccinating 50 year olds currently.

Did we have the same supply as the UK?

Would your preferred rollout strategy given the same supply we currently have lead to us being in the same position now as the UK?

Deleted User wrote: »

When you are paid what tony is paid you are judged on your judgements/decisions Simple as that. He did have a country beside him 13 times bigger thann ireland, vaccine hq in europe before brexit, at least one month ahead in vaccine implementation. He could have cut and.paste theirs. Not a huge amount.of insight.needed there. UK have not made these bad decisions. He followed germany instead. Merckle in her 60s still waiting.on vaccine. Boris in his fifties vaccinated a few weeks.

So we should have followed the UK , at what point? At what point in their stellar management of their pandemic situation in the past year.
When they had way more early supply of vacine than us? or way back before that when our was trusted on the EU procurement plan?

You can only imply the later which is more of hindsight being the foresight of a gob****e.

who gives a flying fcuk if a man wears goggles in an attempt to be safer, if that's what they want good for them nothing harming anyone

What can hurt people though is the arrogance and self importance to feel one can pick and choose what vaccine to take. The vaccine you will be offered has already been pre-determined by medical profrssionals, the vaccines have already been tested, approved, regulated by the best medical professionals and scientists we have. Its actually unbelievable that people follow a few stories in the media and start to second guess the experts. The risk of an adverse event is extremely small, many multiple times lower than a similar negative outcome from catching covid and not only will you benefit but not taking it you are denying others the benefit of the reduced transmissability in the community .

Like people who are being offered a vaccine now are getting the priveledge of getting it earlier(and rightly so) but if they think they know best and don't take up the offer they should have to wait until the demand ceases(including COVAX) IMO

franciscanpunk wrote: »

who gives a flying fcuk if a man wears goggles in an attempt to be safer, if that's what they want good for them nothing harming anyone

What can hurt people though is the arrogance and self importance to feel one can pick and choose what vaccine to take. The vaccine you will be offered has already been pre-determined by medical profrssionals, the vaccines have already been tested, approved, regulated by the best medical professionals and scientists we have. Its actually unbelievable that people follow a few stories in the media and start to second guess the experts. The risk of an adverse event is extremely small, many multiple times lower than a similar negative outcome from catching covid and not only will you benefit but not taking it you are denying others the benefit of the reduced transmissability in the community .

Like people who are being offered a vaccine now are getting the priveledge of getting it earlier(and rightly so) but if they think they know best and don't take up the offer they should have to wait until the demand ceases(including COVAX) IMO

I agree with a lot of what you say. But being Curt and dismissive with the vaccine hesitant will very likely lead to them digging in. I think we should take a gentle encouragement route. Listen to their concerns. Give them the info. If they refuse the vaccine then they don’t get barred from the program. They can come back at any time and get the vaccine they were originally offered. No vaccine choice.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Getting personal when you have to.insult me.

This is a vaccine thread. At what point should we have followed UK? Lets think, vaccine strategy/rollout. Their country had invented one of the first vaccines in the world for covid 19. That might have given us an inkling that vaccines were there expertise. that and being hq for vaccinations in eu before brexit. There may have been a few clues that they knew a little bit more about vaccines than us.

The EMA had their office in London, like many companies operating in the EU they'd to leave because of brexit.

Little off topic but it's the same EMA in Amsterdam now that was in London so your point on that doesn't stand up at all.

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No we would not. Uk is vaccinating 50 year olds but many over 60s have not got second dose. They are getting the most bang for their buck with each.dose. If we have there.supply we would be second dosing.over 60s. They are maximising first doses.in the.hope.of greater supply.in.the future.We are not. We are sticking to the rules.Looking.over our shoulders anxiously at what the germans.or norwegians are doing. UK are focused on vaccinating as many.people.in shortest time. Period.

I always understood the merits of the UK plan ive even defended it may times , but it was not clear at the time that 1 pfizer dose was going to be so effective so there was a question mark. Some very good experts in the UK trusted what they saw from trials I laud them given the risk of indemnity arising from it.

The fact of the matter is that they went off label for pfizer and no one here was going to put their neck on the line to do that here and all the indemnity issues that go with it here, you can hit Tony over the head with that one if you like. You can tell there is a hot potato of decisiveness between all stakeholders including the government.

I think Denmark is the only one in the EU to decide on it. To be honest if the dosing for pfizer doesnt change for the lower risk groups at least, i ll be pretty annoyed. Would like to see Pfizer change the label based on UK studies. Especially now if we are facing a potential narrowing of prospective AZ recipients.

Dickie10 wrote: »

imagine if we actually beat the British and Boris to having all adults vaccinated in the heel of th hunt and had ourselves opened up to a bigger degree before them. i wonder will nightclubs be back before christmas? i really miss them.loved a dance and few drinkies

What have nightclubs got to do with this thread ?

lbj666 wrote: »

I always understood the merits of the UK plan ive even defended it may times , but it was not clear at the time that 1 pfizer dose was going to be so effective so there was a question mark. Some very good experts in the UK trusted what they saw from trials I laud them given the risk of indemnity arising from it.

The fact of the matter is that they went off label for pfizer and no one here was going to put their neck on the line to do that here and all the indemnity issues that go with it here, you can hit Tony over the head with that one if you like. You can tell there is a hot potato of decisiveness between all stakeholders including the government.

I think Denmark is the only one in the EU to decide on it. To be honest if the dosing for pfizer doesnt change for the lower risk groups at least, i ll be pretty annoyed. Would like to see Pfizer change the label based on UK studies. Especially now if we are facing a potential narrowing of prospective AZ recipients.

It’s down to the fact that when these decisions were being made, the UK was being decimated with 1000+ deaths per day. They were desperate and they had to gamble and try the unproven route to get themselves out of catastrophic trouble.

Ireland and most of Europe were in a much healthier position in terms of infection rates and were able to more comfortably follow the manufacturers guidelines. Obviously the risk has ended up paying off for the UK and they’re looking better right now, but only after suffering enormously to get where they are.

Deleted User wrote: »

What are you talking about? Have you seen the news in the last 3 months at all?

The UK rollout is slowing down considerably, they haven't said why (likely due to a lack of supply coming from India and Europe) but it looks like their endpoint will be very similar to the EU at sometime in July.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Diasagree with your entire post.

We have vaccinated 13%.They have vaccinated 55%. Uk have not failed to provide anybody with second doses.

Off book you.mean not sticking what was done in trial. Luke oneill posted only yesterday first dose gives most benefit and protection. Its not rocket science. NI have less than fifty cases a day to our 500 and they are opening up more rapidly. They have maximised the benefit of their supply. We have concentrated.it in too small a pool of people. We would probably be over 20% of first doses if we extended pfzier jabs. That gives a great lift to rest of population waiting and reduces overall disease in.community quicker.

And why have they vaccinated more ??

The answer is simple, supply.

NI opening up rapidly ?? You know NI aren't reopening the same things at the same time as the UK right.

All well and good you looking back in hindsight and saying oh we should have done this and that which is what your doing.

Imagine your faced with a choice at the time of approval of a brand new vaccine , follow the recommendations of the manufacturer and the regulators or say f**k it we'll follow the UK. Which do you think is going to win out?

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why was it in London in first place? Expertise in the country possibly? I can see why it was in London given how decisive they have been with authorisations/ strategy etc.

I dont think you understand that the same people who would have been involved / worked for & with the EMA in London would work for the EMA in Amsterdam.

We're going in circles here.

The EMA and the MHRA are and always have been 2 separate entities

Anyway this is off topic for the thread topic of rollout and testing procedures so i won't be replying further.

Deleted User wrote: »

Fortune favours the brave.

Their risk and expertise paid off now with very low cases in April.

im probably a little harsh on ireland.

We are a small country after all. We had to follow someone. So we followed Germany closer than UK with regards vaccination. Astras reputation is destroyed in germany. Not safe for older people. is safe for older people. not safe for younger people.A germans head would be melted. We backed the wrong horse. We.now need to learn from it all and try and repair reputation of astra. There is alot of that in q2. Hopefully people will take it.

Let's wait and see ; the "race" is not over. As I mentioned just above, there's a distinct possibility Ireland could be fully vaccinated before the UK manages it.