COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

stephenjmcd

eagle eye wrote: »

There's too many reports of issues with it.
I don't want to be one of the unlucky ones, just like I don't want to be one of the unlucky ones to contract covid.
I've avoided covid for over a year and I'm confident I can continue to do that. I'd rather wait for Pfizer or Moderna.

Right so your willing to take your chances with covid which can cause quite serious issues, compared to availing on an effective vaccine which like other vaccines has a miniscule chance of a rare side effect.

Sorry but I don't see the logic in this thinking at all. If your due to be called for it so there's a reason for that wouldn't you think ?

You've been on here long enough to know that there isn't a choice of vaccine.

Oxford have now paused Astrazeneca trials in children and teenagers.

funnydoggy

I feel really bad for Oxford tbh!

is_that_so

funnydoggy wrote: »

I feel really bad for Oxford tbh!

Well it's their vaccine! Such pauses in trials, as we've seen this year, are not unusual at all.

josip

marno21 wrote: »

Chile have 58 per 100 done. More than the UK. The bulk of vaccines in Chile though is the Sinovac one.

Perhaps its the vaccine that's the problem.

Word on the ground from Serbia is that the response from Sinovac takes quite a long time.
Compared to Pfizer and AZ anyway.

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Oxford have now paused Astrazeneca trials in children and teenagers.

200 in the paused trial.

We've seen this in nearly every trial carried out. It's not unusual.

Pause, wait for more information, continue. Usually all happens within a week to 10 days. Wouldn't expect anything different here.

funnydoggy

is_that_so wrote: »

Well it's their vaccine! Such pauses in trials, as we've seen this year, are not unusual at all.

Very true. I just can't help but feel sorry for them that they're stuck with AstraZeneca lol

stephenjmcd

is_that_so wrote: »

Well it's their vaccine! Such pauses in trials, as we've seen this year, are not unusual at all.

Ah but think of the headlines, AstraZeneca pause etc... remember the fuss that was made over the stoppages in Pfizer as well.

Pausing a trial is nothing new as you say, these ones just make the headlines

josip

stephenjmcd wrote: »

200 in the paused trial.

We've seen this in nearly every trial carried out. It's not unusual.

Pause, wait for more information, continue. Usually all happens within a week to 10 days. Wouldn't expect anything different here.

Well, since the blood clotting seems more prevalent in younger women, I hope they don't resume trials.
It doesn't sound safe for that particular trial cohort.

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

There's too many reports of issues with it.
I don't want to be one of the unlucky ones, just like I don't want to be one of the unlucky ones to contract covid.
I've avoided covid for over a year and I'm confident I can continue to do that. I'd rather wait for Pfizer or Moderna.

Cant understand your risk assessment tbh. If your getting offered a vaccine soon your risk is on the high side. Its all about odds. The odds are in your favour taking vaccine. How many people have died getting astra in ireland to date? How many people have died in ireland of covid 19 with underlying. I can understand a 20 year with no underlying health conditiins maybe being hesitant. When government have said its safe and odds of dieing of covid are say 1000 to 1 i know which decisionn id make.

mollser

Is there any correlation between the clots in young women (predominantly in their 20's it seems), and use of the pill? The pill is known to cause clotting issues. My wife thought of this in passing - hopefully the scientists have too!

Given the limited info on this, it's a very simple but very sound explanation - and very easy to circumvent without trashing an otherwise sound vaccine!

is_that_so

funnydoggy wrote: »

Very true. I just can't help but feel sorry for them that they're stuck with AstraZeneca lol

All AZ need to do is deliver what they've promised and they'll be out of the doghouse very quickly but they keep finding different ways to disappoint.

stephenjmcd

josip wrote: »

Well, since the blood clotting seems more prevalent in younger women, I hope they don't resume trials.
It doesn't sound safe for that particular trial cohort.

You hope they don't resume trials... how do you expect a vaccine to be approved for the age group without trials? Goes for all age groups & vaccines really, need trials.

Once regulators give the go ahead after reviewing data (in this case MHRA) then they'll start again

Jane1012

mollser wrote: »

Is there any correlation between the clots in young women (predominantly in their 20's it seems), and use of the pill? The pill is known to cause clotting issues. My wife thought of this in passing - hopefully the scientists have too!

Given the limited info on this, it's a very simple but very sound explanation - and very easy to circumvent without trashing an otherwise sound vaccine!

Your wife unfortunately has not come up with anything new, the correlation has been mentioned many times in the media etc over the past 3 weeks

funnydoggy

is_that_so wrote: »

All AZ need to do is deliver what they've promised and they'll be out of the doghouse very quickly but they keep finding different ways to disappoint.

Such a damn shame!

josip

stephenjmcd wrote: »

You hope they don't resume trials... how do you expect a vaccine to be approved for the age group without trials? Goes for all age groups really, need trials.

Once regulators give the go ahead then they'll start again

Pfizer has already successfully completed trials for that cohort.
No need to risk children in trials of a vaccine that isn't critical and that has unanswered questions from the adult cohorts.

mollser

Jane1012 wrote: »

Your wife unfortunately has not come up with anything new, the correlation has been mentioned many times in the media etc over the past 3 weeks

Cool - haven't seen it mentioned. It does make a lot of sense though, would be great if they could understand more and quickly

Micky 32

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Right so your willing to take your chances with covid which can cause quite serious issues, compared to availing on an effective vaccine which like other vaccines has a miniscule chance of a rare side effect.

Sorry but I don't see the logic in this thinking at all. If your due to be called for it so there's a reason for that wouldn't you think ?

You've been on here long enough to know that there isn't a choice of vaccine.

It’s like trying to convince someone who’s afraid of flying how safe it is but they’ll drive all day in a car with no issues where you’re most likely to die.

lbj666

eagle eye wrote: »

There's too many reports of issues with it.
I don't want to be one of the unlucky ones, just like I don't want to be one of the unlucky ones to contract covid.
I've avoided covid for over a year and I'm confident I can continue to do that. I'd rather wait for Pfizer or Moderna.

All the reports indicate they are rare, just cause you see more reports of it being rare doesn't make it less rare.

Its a handful in few million, when narrowed down to specific groups ie young women at worst would be around the 1 in 100,000s we will see what the studies show.

Your risk of getting covid and having a serious illness from it due to your unlying condition are far shorter than that by a decimal place or two maybe more.

You are also going to have to double down your efforts to avoid infection because as society opens up far higher infection levels can be tolerated before health service is impacted to the same degree as before. You may try and look after yourself but the world around you wont looking out for you the same they have in the past year.

Jane1012

mollser wrote: »

Cool - haven't seen it mentioned. It does make a lot of sense though, would be great if they could understand more and quickly

Yes, I’m pregnant so thinking logically if the issue with the combined pill is the levels of oestrogen and progesterone, I would assume it’s going to be more of an issue for me. I’m also cohort 4 though so in a bit of a predicament

astrofool

Jane1012 wrote: »

Yes, I’m pregnant so thinking logically if the issue with the combined pill is the levels of oestrogen and progesterone, I would assume it’s going to be more of an issue for me. I’m also cohort 4 though so in a bit of a predicament

The doctors will guide you through, I would avoid self diagnosing the issue and thinking it's related to oestrogen and progesterone, there is plenty of people on HRT getting supplements and no issues seen at that level, let the doctors and scientists do the studies and listen to their advice.

stephenjmcd

josip wrote: »

Pfizer has already successfully completed trials for that cohort.
No need to risk children in trials of a vaccine that isn't critical and that has unanswered questions from the adult cohorts.

Just because Pfizer has done a trial doesn't mean others just stop. Likely to need multiple suppliers in younger age groups as well.

I've no doubt the trials will continue when regulators allow.

As for the vaccine not being critical, that's just silly, of course it's going to be a crucial vaccine (why wouldn't it be ) for multiple countries and continents, not to mention COVAX when rolling out to adults and in time children

eagle eye

Woody79 wrote:

Cant understand your risk assessment tbh. If your getting offered a vaccine soon your risk is on the high side. Its all about odds. The odds are in your favour taking vaccine. How many people have died getting astra in ireland to date? How many people have died in ireland of covid 19 with underlying. I can understand a 20 year with no underlying health conditiins maybe being hesitant. When government have said its safe and odds of dieing of covid are say 1000 to 1 i know which decisionn id make.

Well it's quite easy to avoid covid for me, just keep doing all the necessary. I always carry hand sanitizer and goggles, I social distance, wear a mask, and goggles if necessary, I wash my hands as soon as I get an opportunity. My family hasn't had any difficulty with being stuck together during this. I take vitamin d every morning, I eat oranges everyday so get loads of vitamin c too.
I'm pretty confident I can avoid contracting covid for as long as is necessary. I'd consider my chances of contracting it as very low, probably as low as that of having issues with AZ.
I'm not going to take the chance of being one of the unlucky ones.
If I contract covid it's my own fault for not being cateful, if I take this drug and have serious complications then it's my fault for taking it.
I like my chances better staying safe and waiting it out.

ACitizenErased

AstraZeneca is arguably THE most critical vaccine. COVAX forecasts 300 million AZ doses vs 1 million Pfizer doses this year alone.

josip

josip wrote: »

Pfizer has already successfully completed trials for that cohort.
No need to risk children in trials of a vaccine that isn't critical and that has unanswered questions from the adult cohorts.

Pfizer for a number of reasons isn't very practical for much of the world. Price, storage and transport requirements all will cause issues. AZ have their problems but they're the only ones supplying at cost, is easily stored and they are currently carrying most of the burden for the COVAX programme. Regulators decide when trials become unsafe or that the risk outweighs the benefit.

Jane1012

astrofool wrote: »

The doctors will guide you through, I would avoid self diagnosing the issue and thinking it's related to oestrogen and progesterone, there is plenty of people on HRT getting supplements and no issues seen at that level, let the doctors and scientists do the studies and listen to their advice.

Yeah... my referring hospital will be the maternity hospital so if it is AZ I will be assigned (I have no confirmation which vaccine I’ll get yet) then I would assume they deem it safe

Cork2021

eagle eye wrote: »

Well it's quite easy to avoid covid for me, just keep doing all the necessary. I always carry hand sanitizer and goggles, I social distance, wear a mask, and goggles if necessary, I wash my hands as soon as I get an opportunity. My family hasn't had any difficulty with being stuck together during this. I take vitamin d every morning, I eat oranges everyday so get loads of vitamin c too.
I'm pretty confident I can avoid contracting covid for as long as is necessary. I'd consider my chances of contracting it as very low, probably as low as that of having issues with AZ.
I'm not going to take the chance of being one of the unlucky ones.
If I contract covid it's my own fault for not being cateful, if I take this drug and have serious complications then it's my fault for taking it.
I like my chances better staying safe and waiting it out.

So let’s say you don’t get a choice in the future after saying no the the AZ vaccine? Are you going to live like a hermit forever? Just being hypothetical here!

lbj666

lbj666 wrote: »

All the reports indicate they are rare, just cause you see more reports of it being rare doesn't make it less rare.

Its a handful in few million, when narrowed down to specific groups ie young women at worst would be around the 1 in 100,000s we will see what the studies show.

Your risk of getting covid and having a serious illness from it due to your unlying condition are far shorter than that by a decimal place or two maybe more.

You are also going to have to double down your efforts to avoid infection because as society opens up far higher infection levels can be tolerated before health service is impacted to the same degree as before. You may try and look after yourself but the world around you wont looking out for you the same they have in the past year.

I agree the herd will move on from here on in.

Getting the vaccine allows a person to move with the herd.

I don't want to be in that group below:

https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/mental-health/locked-in-after-lockdown-agoraphobia-will-be-a-new-normal-for-some-40278773.html

ShyMets

eagle eye wrote: »

Well it's quite easy to avoid covid for me, just keep doing all the necessary. I always carry hand sanitizer and goggles, I social distance, wear a mask, and goggles if necessary, I wash my hands as soon as I get an opportunity. My family hasn't had any difficulty with being stuck together during this. I take vitamin d every morning, I eat oranges everyday so get loads of vitamin c too.
I'm pretty confident I can avoid contracting covid for as long as is necessary. I'd consider my chances of contracting it as very low, probably as low as that of having issues with AZ.
I'm not going to take the chance of being one of the unlucky ones.
If I contract covid it's my own fault for not being cateful, if I take this drug and have serious complications then it's my fault for taking it.
I like my chances better staying safe and waiting it out.

That post doesn't come across as being smug whatsoever

eagle eye

eagle eye wrote: »

Well it's quite easy to avoid covid for me, just keep doing all the necessary. I always carry hand sanitizer and goggles, I social distance, wear a mask, and goggles if necessary, I wash my hands as soon as I get an opportunity. My family hasn't had any difficulty with being stuck together during this. I take vitamin d every morning, I eat oranges everyday so get loads of vitamin c too.
I'm pretty confident I can avoid contracting covid for as long as is necessary. I'd consider my chances of contracting it as very low, probably as low as that of having issues with AZ.
I'm not going to take the chance of being one of the unlucky ones.
If I contract covid it's my own fault for not being cateful, if I take this drug and have serious complications then it's my fault for taking it.
I like my chances better staying safe and waiting it out.

Im in my 40's with no underlying health conditions.

1000 to 1 chance of dieing of covid per Leo or probably less as that includes people with underlying and no underlying. Say its 2000 or even 3000 to 1. For me Im being careful to avoid this too in the short term. Mostly because I know vaccination is around corner. To keep this level of restrictions any longer than I need to (until fully protected with any vaccine) for me is a non runner. As another poster said people will move on and in my view expect everyone else to. No man is an island and to try to act like that when 90% of population are not doing it will be alot more difficult than now. To me there is a cost to your lifes enjoyment living as we are currently. Vaccination allows us to return close to 2019 living. Good enough for me. Sure maybe you'll benefit from herd immunity.