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JDD · 06-04-2021 10:30AM

is_that_so wrote: »

Yeah, about 100K of it - last Thursday I believe.

Jesus, that's a massive drop on what he told the JOC back at the start of March. He said that we were expecting 175,000 doses. Do we know when the remaining 75,000 is due to arrive, or is that just gone now? Do we know why we only got about 60% of what we expected?

viruxc · 06-04-2021 10:32AM

Mark1916 wrote: »

RE: 'EU reportedly may hit vaccination target by the end of June, much earlier than projected'

I thought this has been known for a while? Ireland's goal is to hit 80% of adults by June.

Bubbaclaus · 06-04-2021 10:38AM

JDD wrote: »

Jesus, that's a massive drop on what he told the JOC back at the start of March. He said that we were expecting 175,000 doses. Do we know when the remaining 75,000 is due to arrive, or is that just gone now? Do we know why we only got about 60% of what we expected?

Over 200k doses were received into the country in the period 27 March to 31 March, meaning there was at least 1.187m doses in the country by month end as I understand it.

ectoraige · 06-04-2021 10:39AM

seamus wrote: »

I agree with all of this, though I am disappointed that Gardai appear to be left out of the loop on the planning and will have to wait for the main cohorts.

The same argument can apply - are they more at risk? But given that paramedics and fire stations are being covered, it seems logical that Gardai should be on the list. The former attend medical emergencies which is why they're on the list, but do Gardai not also attend medical emergencies on occasion?

There aren't that many Gardai and their movements are well controlled, they could all be done inside a week. It seems bizarre that they've basically been ignored.

Absolutely. Gardaí do attend medical emergencies and sometimes travel in the back of the ambulance to ensure the paramedics' safety. It's a small space with no social distancing, and one can easily be in there for over an hour.

It's also worth pointing out that the emergency services work in uncontrolled environments. Shops, schools, GPs and even hospitals have a variety of measures they can put in place to reduce the risks, but the emergency services could literally be anywhere, among any number of people. Vaccination is one of the few controls that can be reliably put in place.

Gardaí are also the only people with the powers to enforce quarantine. If you're COVID-positive and decide to go around licking, spitting, and coughing in on people, the Gardaí are the people society relies upon to stop you.

While the statistical risk for Gardaí may be low, they do need to have confidence for their own safety in a way few other workers do.

It's galling to hear teacher unions describe themselves as essential frontline workers when schools have been closed for so much of this pandemic.

1huge1 · 06-04-2021 10:46AM

8,446 doses administrated on Saturday the 3rd of April.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/vaccination-programme-dashboard-as-of-02-april-2021.pdf

higster · 06-04-2021 10:49AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Over 200k doses were received into the country in the period 27 March to 31 March, meaning there was at least 1.187m doses in the country by month end as I understand it.

All 200k AZ?

ectoraige · 06-04-2021 10:51AM

plodder wrote: »

Pragmatic decisions have to be made to make the vaccination proceed efficiently. Teachers and gardai are easily identifiable as groups whereas supermarket workers and other essential retail workers, though just as deserving, are not easily identifiable. Hospitalisations are still dropping. So, hopefully the question is moot. But, if they take off as a result of cases originating in schools (or the re-opening is delayed to prevent that), then it might not have been the right course to take.

It's pretty easy to identify the supermarket workers - they are the ones you actually see working with the public throughout this pandemic.

Cases increasing with school reopenings appear to be as a result of increased mobility among adults rather than spreading among children.

Lucas Hood · 06-04-2021 10:53AM

Those numbers for Saturday are somewhat disappointing.

Bubbaclaus · 06-04-2021 10:54AM

higster wrote: »

All 200k AZ?

I've no idea what the breakdown between the vaccines was, just that they had 855k delivered by 26 March and stated they had met a target of 1,187k doses delivered by end of month.

hynesie08 · 06-04-2021 10:56AM

Those Saturday numbers should be revised upwards over the next few days, as gps upload their data today because of the bank holiday.

06-04-2021 10:59AM

https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-ema-links-astrazeneca-vaccine-thrombosis.amp

Will we act on this and pause Asterazeneca again?

ectoraige · 06-04-2021 10:59AM

History Queen wrote: »

I think you've hit the nail on the head here. The public will not row in behind teachers, so special school staff, SNAs etc get tarred with this brush also. I can't understand the lack of outcry to have other sectors such as carers and childminders vaccinated though. They are more at risk, with less mitigating factors open to them than the general populace.

Childminders probably aren't at that high an actual risk since children don't harbour and spread the virus as effectively as adults, but the perception of risk should certainly be no different to the risk the teacher unions claim. The lack of outcry is down to not having unions pushing their agenda.

stephenjmcd · 06-04-2021 11:06AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2021-04-ema-links-astrazeneca-vaccine-thrombosis.amp

Will we act on this and pause Asterazeneca again?

Act on what?

Just because there's a link doesn't mean they pause or even consider or recommend a pause. All vaccines come with the caveat of potentially rare side effects.

The benefits will continue to outweigh the risks I would think

JDD · 06-04-2021 11:09AM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Over 200k doses were received into the country in the period 27 March to 31 March, meaning there was at least 1.187m doses in the country by month end as I understand it.

Oh so there was more received in the few days before 31 March? So in fact around 300k doses received between 26 March and 31 March (855k to 1.187m)?

That's really good to know. So if we plug in last week's vaccinations (how many did we do, about 70-80k?) we should actually be ramping up massively this week? I mean, I can understand that they didn't want to book people in until they got the vaccines on to Irish soil, but we should have lots more appointments this week right? I mean, we should probably be vaccinating 200,000 people over the next seven days? Isn't that they way they said it would work - that once we got the supply we had the personnel to ramp up the vaccinations?

Do we know how many vaccines are due to be delivered this week, or do they publish vaccine delivery data anywhere?

Deenie78 · 06-04-2021 11:31AM

I had a quick question about the second dose of Pfizer - does anyone know someone who has had their second jab and if so, was there any ill effects? My Dad's due to get his on Thursday and is only just out of hospital after having an infection, I'm hoping it doesn't set him back. Thanks in advance

Bubbaclaus · 06-04-2021 11:55AM

JDD wrote: »

Oh so there was more received in the few days before 31 March? So in fact around 300k doses received between 26 March and 31 March (855k to 1.187m)?

That's really good to know. So if we plug in last week's vaccinations (how many did we do, about 70-80k?) we should actually be ramping up massively this week? I mean, I can understand that they didn't want to book people in until they got the vaccines on to Irish soil, but we should have lots more appointments this week right? I mean, we should probably be vaccinating 200,000 people over the next seven days? Isn't that they way they said it would work - that once we got the supply we had the personnel to ramp up the vaccinations?

Do we know how many vaccines are due to be delivered this week, or do they publish vaccine delivery data anywhere?

Pretty sure we have broken 125k vaccinations in each of the last 2 weeks. Well over 70-80k anyway.

JDD · 06-04-2021 12:02PM

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Pretty sure we have broken 125k vaccinations in each of the last 2 weeks. Well over 70-80k anyway.

Brilliant. Is there a tracker somewhere? We should definitely have the remainder of doses delivered last week gone in the next ten days so.

opinionated3 · 06-04-2021 12:04PM

Deenie78 wrote: »

I had a quick question about the second dose of Pfizer - does anyone know someone who has had their second jab and if so, was there any ill effects? My Dad's due to get his on Thursday and is only just out of hospital after having an infection, I'm hoping it doesn't set him back. Thanks in advance

For what it's worth my 84 yr old uncle had his second jab last Saturday week. No ill effects whatsoever. My best friends 82 yr old mother had hers just last Friday. Got it in the a.m but had a pretty nasty headache in the evening. She was all good Saturday morning. I read somewhere before that a slight reaction when receiving the second dose is fairly common, the first dose is providing protection and might think the second dose is an attacker so to speak and reacts to this foreign entity before calming down again.

ectoraige · 06-04-2021 12:05PM

Deenie78 wrote: »

I had a quick question about the second dose of Pfizer - does anyone know someone who has had their second jab and if so, was there any ill effects? My Dad's due to get his on Thursday and is only just out of hospital after having an infection, I'm hoping it doesn't set him back. Thanks in advance

I received both with no side effect. A number of colleagues did experience a temperature spike and felt crappy for a day after their second dose. He should speak to his GP about his concerns, they might defer it for a week if he's still under the weather, but I wouldn't be worried about a major setback. Hope he does well.

eagle eye · 06-04-2021 12:08PM

Top official at Europe's medicines regulator says there is link between AstraZeneca vaccine and blood clots - but the benefits still outweigh the risks

Marco Cavaleri, head of vaccine strategy at the European Medicines Agency, told an Italian newspaper that it is "increasingly difficult to state that there is no cause and effect relationship between vaccination with AstraZeneca and very rare cases of unusual blood clots".

He said the benefits of having the vaccine still outweigh the risks, although more work will be done to look into whether the risk-benefit ratio remains in favour of the vaccine for all age groups.

Regulators have been looking into reports of a very small number of blood clots, although the EMA has said the vaccine remains safe and effective with tens of millions taking the jab without any issues.

Asked whether the blood clot reports could be linked to the vaccine, he said: "In my opinion, we can now say it, it is clear there is an association with the vaccine. What causes this reaction, however, we still do not know.

"In summary: in the next few hours we will say that the connection exists, but we still have to understand how this happens."

The UK's regulatory agency has said the vaccine is safe and urged people to continue having the jab, although it is considering whether to restrict its use in younger age groups.

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-latest-uk-updates-boris-johnson-vaccine-passports-summer-holidays-coronavirus-announcement-roadmap-12267215

JDD · 06-04-2021 12:13PM

How has the UK avoided these small clusters of blood clot incidents? The vast majority of their vaccinations have been AZ and they are a large country?

Deenie78 · 06-04-2021 12:13PM

opinionated3 wrote: »

For what it's worth my 84 yr old uncle had his second jab last Saturday week. No ill effects whatsoever. My best friends 82 yr old mother had hers just last Friday. Got it in the a.m but had a pretty nasty headache in the evening. She was all good Saturday morning. I read somewhere before that a slight reaction when receiving the second dose is fairly common, the first dose is providing protection and might think the second dose is an attacker so to speak and reacts to this foreign entity before calming down again.

ectoraige wrote: »

I received both with no side effect. A number of colleagues did experience a temperature spike and felt crappy for a day after their second dose. He should speak to his GP about his concerns, they might defer it for a week if he's still under the weather, but I wouldn't be worried about a major setback. Hope he does well.

Thanks so much - really appreciate the feedback. Getting in touch with his GP is a good suggestion, I'll do that!

lbj666 · 06-04-2021 12:21PM

plodder wrote: »

Pragmatic decisions have to be made to make the vaccination proceed efficiently. Teachers and gardai are easily identifiable as groups whereas supermarket workers and other essential retail workers, though just as deserving, are not easily identifiable. Hospitalisations are still dropping. So, hopefully the question is moot. But, if they take off as a result of cases originating in schools (or the re-opening is delayed to prevent that), then it might not have been the right course to take.

Just cause a teacher got jabbed isnt going to stop an outbreak. They will have to maintain the same measures regardless , yes its a lot of effort for them but wont be avoidable.

Only justification they can truthfully give is piece of mind, continuity, minimising of disruption and a gesture for their efforts so far. They cant make any statistical arguement on risk.

Its totally moot,
a)they will get only 1 jab in time for end of school year, meaning they will have elevated immunity for a few weeks left in the school year.
c) 45+ ages were likely to get a jab around the same time roughly
b) younger age groups tend to care more about infecting older than them.

It equates to around a weeks worth of 1st doses meaning 55-65s rollout would be prologued by that much at least. But they are propositioning industrial action. They should be thankful much of the public haven't coped onto the full realities of this otherwise its PR suicide for lack of milder term.

ninebeanrows · 06-04-2021 12:23PM

Is it possible the blood clot issue is simply down to the administration of the vaccine, like bubbles in the syringe and the likes?

Obviously most people would absorb these small air pockets but certain people might be more vulnerable.

I wonder if the risk of the clot is the same for any group receiving a syringe, even with a vile of water?

Baggly · 06-04-2021 12:30PM

eagle eye wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/covid-news-live-latest-uk-updates-boris-johnson-vaccine-passports-summer-holidays-coronavirus-announcement-roadmap-12267215

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Turtwig · 06-04-2021 12:32PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Is it possible the blood clot issue is simply down to the administration of the vaccine, like bubbles in the syringe and the likes?

Obviously most people would absorb these small air pockets but certain people might be more vulnerable.

I wonder if the risk of the clot is the same for any group receiving a syringe, even with a vile of water?

Highly unlikely.

The EMA and MHRA will be updating their guidance this week. Hopefully they've been able to identify additional risk factors and demographics that will help minimise the risk to everyone while not impacting the overall vaccine roll out.

Micky 32 · 06-04-2021 12:37PM

Deenie78 wrote: »

Thanks so much - really appreciate the feedback. Getting in touch with his GP is a good suggestion, I'll do that!

My 90 year old uncle had his second no effects whatsoever .

iamwhoiam · 06-04-2021 12:38PM

ninebeanrows wrote: »

Is it possible the blood clot issue is simply down to the administration of the vaccine, like bubbles in the syringe and the likes?

Obviously most people would absorb these small air pockets but certain people might be more vulnerable.

I wonder if the risk of the clot is the same for any group receiving a syringe, even with a vile of water?

A bubble in a syringe could cause an air embolism but not blood to clot

Irish Stones · 06-04-2021 12:40PM

viruxc wrote: »

RE: 'EU reportedly may hit vaccination target by the end of June, much earlier than projected'

What does EU mean?
As far as I know Italy has just announced to hit their target by end September 2022.
It would be nice to know what EU means, what countries are counted in.

Stark · 06-04-2021 12:43PM

Where did you see that. Worst case estimate for any EU country is September 2021. It wasn't one of those stupid calculators that assumed January/February levels of supply for the next two years was it?

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