Are we there yet? Your second Travel Megathread (threadbans in OP}

03-04-2021 06:17AM

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

Ok, God, it's a hotel, but try being forced to stay in the same small room for 12 days with limited access to exercise or fresh air or dietary specific Food.

Some people will have to endure this simply trying to get to their loved ones.

Take your bold lettering mod tone elsewhere, ridiculous carry on. The amount of moronic disregard for basic human rights in this thread is astronomical.

And again, there's plenty being held in similar and worse conditions.

The mental health lark that people try is demeaning to people that have actually suffered genuine hardships, mental health and ptsd

JoeExotic81 · 03-04-2021 06:25AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

And again, there's plenty being held in similar and worse conditions.

The mental health lark that people try is demeaning to people that have actually suffered genuine hardships, mental health and ptsd

So just because it's not Guantanamo we should be grateful?! Ridiculous reasoning.

"Lark"? A girl was raped in one of the similar MHQ in Montréal. Again I ask, have you had to stay in a small room for 12 days with limited access to exercise or fresh air and other human contact? No? Then excuse me while filing your opinion in the trash pile along with that of super mod above.

Idiotic opinions.

03-04-2021 06:55AM

dalyboy wrote: »

Or head to Belfast and do neither . Loads of sympathy from me

I have no idea why posters seem to think going to Belfast is some kind of way around the requirements to self isolate?
Sure you can come into Dublin and don't bother self isolating if you want.
What difference does flying into Belfast make?

03-04-2021 07:04AM

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

So just because it's not Guantanamo we should be grateful?! Ridiculous reasoning.

"Lark"? A girl was raped in one of the similar MHQ in Montréal. Again I ask, have you had to stay in a small room for 12 days with limited access to exercise or fresh air and other human contact? No? Then excuse me while filing your opinion in the trash pile along with that of super mod above.

Idiotic opinions.

Indeed I have. For longer and with worse people who themselves didn't complain.

Have suffered both mental health and PTSD.

My wife and children spent 3 months in a 2 bed apartment. The children's fresh air was obtained on the balcony and the wife got ten minutes a day to go to the NEAREST physical shop and let the dog ****.

So yeah, cry me a river

faceman · 03-04-2021 07:06AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

And again, there's plenty being held in similar and worse conditions.

The mental health lark that people try is demeaning to people that have actually suffered genuine hardships, mental health and ptsd

In fairness Niner, when quarantinees (I still don’t know what they’re called) claim mental health, there is an immediate assumption by the public that they don’t already suffer from mental health issues and quarantine would be the cause. We already know that the mental health of the nation is on tenderhooks.

Coveney has already said MHQ isn’t meant to be pleasant, it’s meant to be a deterrent. That doesn’t sound like something that anyone would want to do. Imagine if you’re a solo traveller or travelling with kids?

MHQ would compound mental health issues further. We know inmates there aren’t getting daily medical check ins. That would be a concern.

Mental health can’t be assessed by whether someone is smiling or not, nor can it be diagnosed from afar by the general public or social media.

Ireland just doesn’t take mental health serious enough

03-04-2021 07:10AM

faceman wrote: »

In fairness Niner, when quarantinees (I still don’t know what they’re called) claim mental health, there is an assumption by the public that they don’t already suffer from mental health issues and quarantine would be the cause. We already know that the mental health of the nation is on tenderhooks.

Coveney has already said MHQ isn’t meant to be pleasant, it’s meant to be a deterrent. That doesn’t sound like something that anyone would want to do. Imagine if you’re a solo traveller or travelling with kids?

MHQ would compound mental health issues further. We know inmates there aren’t getting daily medical check ins. That would be a concern.

Mental health can’t be assessed by whether someone is smiling or not, nor can it be diagnosed from afar by the general public or social media.

Ireland just doesn’t take mental health serious enough

I understand that and yeah, of course you want out but don't make it out to be some sort of terrible existence, and use Mental health like it's some sort of catch all excuse for whatever they feel like.

Mental health is serious, ptsd is serious and people being detained for months if not years is serious. 2 weeks in a hotel is annoying and frustrating but that's it. Less so than Spain during their worst period as yourself and I have discussed before.

But I'm mindful of the statement by beasty so I'm zipping it on the subject now and back on track.

03-04-2021 07:17AM

faceman wrote: »

In fairness Niner, when quarantinees (I still don’t know what they’re called) claim mental health, there is an immediate assumption by the public that they don’t already suffer from mental health issues and quarantine would be the cause. We already know that the mental health of the nation is on tenderhooks.

Coveney has already said MHQ isn’t meant to be pleasant, it’s meant to be a deterrent. That doesn’t sound like something that anyone would want to do. Imagine if you’re a solo traveller or travelling with kids?

MHQ would compound mental health issues further. We know inmates there aren’t getting daily medical check ins. That would be a concern.

Mental health can’t be assessed by whether someone is smiling or not, nor can it be diagnosed from afar by the general public or social media.

Ireland just doesn’t take mental health serious enough

2 people I work with have gone to Oz in the last 6 months. One girl solo traveller, the other guy with his partner and 15 month old child.
All went knowing they were going into a hotel room for two weeks. Not allowed to leave.
But they were entering Australia and those were the rules, so that's what they did.
No PTSD surprise #rolleyes#

You're in Spain right? My friends sister lives there and spent months inside her house, when she.did get out she was questioned by armed police that she was allowed to leave and where she was going.
No PTSD there either.

It's ridiculous people here complaining about MHQ, most people in Ireland won't have to do it anyway. I lived in a country on the list for 18 months & I know Irish people still there, they just won't come back until it's gone.
And it won't be there forever.

JoeExotic81 · 03-04-2021 07:20AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Indeed I have. For longer and with worse people who themselves didn't complain.

Have suffered both mental health and PTSD.

My wife and children spent 3 months in a 2 bed apartment. The children's fresh air was obtained on the balcony and the wife got ten minutes a day to go to the NEAREST physical shop and let the dog ****.

So yeah, cry me a river

A 2 bed apartment with a balcony WHICH HAPPENS TO BE YOUR HOME and walks to the groceries and with the dog? Cry me a river indeed!!

Lunacy!

No comparison.

03-04-2021 07:22AM

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

A 2 bed apartment with a balcony WHICH HAPPENS TO BE YOUR HOME and walks to the groceries and with the dog? Cry me a river indeed!!

Lunacy!

No comparison.

Yep, stuck in a tiny apartment for months, or a hotel room for couple of weeks.
If prefer the hotel.

JoeExotic81 · 03-04-2021 07:30AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Yep, stuck in a tiny apartment for months, or a hotel room for couple of weeks.
If prefer the hotel.

Hey I'd prefer being shot instead of stabbed, but apples and oranges eh.

That's not the point. Despite the ridiculous personal diatribe from niner, the point is claims of strain on mental health and possible PTSD from the whole experience are completely and utterly valid.

Just because someone else has it worse does not eradicate that validation.

People are so fvcking blasé about foregoing their own civil liberties for absolutely no point whatsoever other than political posturing, optics and people pleasing.

Golfman64 · 03-04-2021 07:53AM

Coronavirus variants with no link to travel detected in State
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-variants-with-no-link-to-travel-detected-in-state-1.4527575

A thinly veiled push to get countries with higher volumes of travel put on the list by NPHET. These champs really are intent on dragging Ireland back to the dark ages.

I also noted a letter to the Irish Times yesterday having a go at IBEC for highlighting essential business travel essentially saying that all business can be done online and that public health trumps everything. Tell that to the thousands of people who must travel for training with any of the large MNC’s bases in Ireland, the supply chain and transport workers, the infrastructure engineers etc..... I really do wonder and worry about the number of Irish people who really have no idea about the importance of International travel and the global economy for Ireland. Throttle that even somewhat in the medium term and we will be back in the dark ages, broke and slashing public sector salaries and services for many years to come.

I’ve no problem with a discouragement of International tourism for a couple of months until June when the EU Green Pass is operational but we have gone far too far to appease the noisy minority and risk damaging our country in the long term as a result.

Wallander · 03-04-2021 08:02AM

bubblypop wrote: »

2 people I work with have gone to Oz in the last 6 months. One girl solo traveller, the other guy with his partner and 15 month old child.
All went knowing they were going into a hotel room for two weeks. Not allowed to leave.
But they were entering Australia and those were the rules, so that's what they did.
No PTSD surprise #rolleyes#

You're in Spain right? My friends sister lives there and spent months inside her house, when she.did get out she was questioned by armed police that she was allowed to leave and where she was going.
No PTSD there either.

It's ridiculous people here complaining about MHQ, most people in Ireland won't have to do it anyway. I lived in a country on the list for 18 months & I know Irish people still there, they just won't come back until it's gone.
And it won't be there forever.

It's no surprise people are going to Australia knowing what to expect and coping fine, and I'm happy for them, especially with the low Covid rates to enjoy there when they finish the quarantine. But to say "everyone knows the rules" and simply has a choice whether they travel or not is wrong. There will be many people on study abroad or short-term contracts etc. who will have practically or actually no choice but to travel to Ireland and go into mandatory quarantine in the coming months. Some will do it with ease, but there will be others, among them the vulnerable or the disabled, who will be genuinely fearful. I think as a society we owe it to make damn sure it is necessary to put them through this and not a shallow political gesture. Unfortunately with a wide open border with Northern Ireland, my view is the latter.

Del Griffith · 03-04-2021 08:11AM

Golfman64 wrote: »

Coronavirus variants with no link to travel detected in State
via The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/coronavirus-variants-with-no-link-to-travel-detected-in-state-1.4527575

A thinly veiled push to get countries with higher volumes of travel put on the list by NPHET. These champs really are intent on dragging Ireland back to the dark ages.

That article is so so ridiculous. There's no new problem variant we know of, we know all virus's mutate as standard. They are literally scrambling to find something, anything, doesn't even need to cause more illness hospitals or deaths, just some narrative that let's them shut Ireland off even more.

It's bizarre. I'm not a conspiracy theorist generally so it's the why that confuses me. Are they really so tunnel visioned that they don't give a fleeting moments thought to anything outside of their direct remit? It doesn't seem possible.

And unfortunately the tax payer with foot the bill and the people will have to live with the consequences.

Golfman64 · 03-04-2021 08:22AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

That article is so so ridiculous. There's no new problem variant we know of, we know all virus's mutate as standard. They are literally scrambling to find something, anything, doesn't even need to cause more illness hospitals or deaths, just some narrative that let's them shut Ireland off even more.

It's bizarre. I'm not a conspiracy theorist generally so it's the why that confuses me. Are they really so tunnel visioned that they don't give a fleeting moments thought to anything outside of their direct remit? It doesn't seem possible.

And unfortunately the tax payer with foot the bill and the people will have to live with the consequences.

And we know that all current certified vaccines are effective against all known variants. But hey let’s not let the truth get in the way of a good scaremongering story.

fm · 03-04-2021 08:45AM

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/04/02/health/cdc-travel-guidance-fully-vaccinated-wellness/index.html

Better news here, vaccinated travelers can travel as normal around the States, no tests or quarantine . International vaccinated travelers returning to the States still need a test on arrival and one a few days later, but if they hopefully keep testing negative that could be removed. The cdc are giving advice on trying to get a sector like tourism/business travel back to normal and here vaccinated people go the mandatory quarantine because of where they came from.

shil.mar · 03-04-2021 09:23AM

Hi
Vaccination has started a long while. I have question about those who got vaccinated, can they flight abroad without PCR Test and quarantine?
I do not understand why those whom have vaccinated have to take PCR test and be 10 days quarantined when they travel to some countries!
If you have any Information specially between UK and Turkey I will be glad to hear.

regards

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 10:38AM

Del Griffith wrote: »

They are literally scrambling to find something, anything, doesn't even need to cause more illness hospitals or deaths, just some narrative that let's them shut Ireland off even more.

I know that man. These feckin' lizard people and their new world order. And they are doing it specifically just to stop you from going on your holliers. Well you and Jim Corr. The rest of us are just receiving the collateral damage from that.

Micky 32 · 03-04-2021 10:45AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

I know that man. These feckin' lizard people and their new world order. And they are doing it specifically just to stop you from going on your holliers. Well you and Jim Corr. The rest of us are just receiving the collateral damage from that.

Holliers?? You seem obsessed with that word. It’s not all about “holliers” . Do you realise people have families in other countries with no light at the end of the tunnel when they’ll get to see them again?

Before you mock reflect on that a little first.

03-04-2021 10:47AM

bubblypop wrote: »

Yep, stuck in a tiny apartment for months, or a hotel room for couple of weeks.
If prefer the hotel.

Where they change your sheets, clean and provide your meals for you.

Plumbthedepths · 03-04-2021 10:51AM

Below is the reason much of Europe is anxious to get tourism restarted. The EU parliament voted to fast track the green cert.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/food-banks-busy-in-algarve-as-pandemic-ravages-portugal-tourism-1105754.html

03-04-2021 10:53AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Holliers?? You seem obsessed with that word. It’s not all about “holliers” . Do you realise people have families in other countries with no light at the end of the tunnel when they’ll get to see them again?

Before you mock reflect on that a little first.

It’s the only way that that particular poster defends his point. By painting all travel as frivolous “holliers”, infantilising those who do need to travel for other reasons. He’s fixated on that word and is in almost every one of his recent posts. Notwithstanding that fact that people travelling right now are hardly going on holiday. Am ignoring him from here on in

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 10:53AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Holliers?? You seem obsessed with that word. It’s not all about “holliers” . Do you realise people have families in other countries with no light at the end of the tunnel when they’ll get to see them again?

Before you mock reflect on that a little first.

Sure plenty of people feign concern for the edge cases that conveniently suit their narrative.

This thread is about people wanting to go on their holliers. No point pretending otherwise.

If you yourself have family abroad, and if you didn't realise beforehand the simple logistical fact that the further away you are from them, the more difficult it is to get back to see them, then maybe you can take stock of your choices after the pandemic is over and reassess what you want to prioritise in your life.

03-04-2021 10:55AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s the only way that that particular poster defends his point. By painting all travel as frivolous “holliers”, infantilising those who do need to travel for other reasons. He’s fixated on that word and is in almost every one of his recent posts. Notwithstanding that fact that people travelling right now are hardly going on holiday. Am ignoring him from here on in

but there is nothing stopping people going on essential journeys.
it is only non essential travel that is not supposed to happen. holidays are non essential, therefore that poster is right.

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 10:56AM

Deleted User wrote: »

It’s the only way that that particular poster defends his point. By painting all travel as frivolous “holliers”, infantilising those who do need to travel for other reasons. He’s fixated on that word and is in almost every one of his recent posts. Notwithstanding that fact that people travelling right now are hardly going on holiday. Am ignoring him from here on in

Not too good at the oul' counting or facts there woody22.

https://www.boards.ie/search/submit/?thread=2058158871&query=holliers&user=&date_from=&date_to=

You've used it more yourself

faceman · 03-04-2021 10:58AM

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Where they change your sheets, clean and provide your meals for you.

The rooms aren’t cleaned by staff nor are sheets changed by staff in MHQ. It’s up to the inmate to do it

Micky 32 · 03-04-2021 11:09AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Sure plenty of people feign concern for the edge cases that conveniently suit their narrative.

This thread is about people wanting to go on their holliers. No point pretending otherwise.

If you yourself have family abroad, and if you didn't realise beforehand the simple logistical fact that the further away you are from them, the more difficult it is to get back to see them, then maybe you can take stock of your choices after the pandemic is over and reassess what you want to prioritise in your life.

I’m quite able to take stock of my choices and what i want to prioritise in my life, i’m fairly well set up. But thank you very much for your advice :pac:

Donald Trump · 03-04-2021 11:12AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I’m quite able to take stock of my choices and what i want to prioritise in my life, i’m fairly well set up. But thank you very much for your advice :pac:

Don't mention it. Am here anytime you need further guidance

Father Hernandez · 03-04-2021 11:14AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Sure plenty of people feign concern for the edge cases that conveniently suit their narrative.

This thread is about people wanting to go on their holliers. No point pretending otherwise.

If you yourself have family abroad, and if you didn't realise beforehand the simple logistical fact that the further away you are from them, the more difficult it is to get back to see them, then maybe you can take stock of your choices after the pandemic is over and reassess what you want to prioritise in your life.

I've mentioned previously that half my family is from a country on the list for MHQ and we're overly concerned as to when and why the country is on the list.

We're concerned as to when we'll see them again, when we won't have to pay an extortionate amount to return to the country when we could be completely safe and healthy whilst other 'infected' people are allowed to roam free around supermarkets, etc. Concerned if something life changing happens where we have to make a huge decision whether to stay in Ireland or go and pay the extortionate fee on our return. Concerned as to why this country has been added whilst other countries with way more cases and variants are not on the list.

Not all of us are here for a 'hollier'.

Flyer1 · 03-04-2021 11:14AM

I just spent the week in Madrid ( for work ). The entire experience down was great, Dublin airport is essentially a ghost town. Very clean and the option of a pint with your substantial meal crap is still in effect at Marquette. Before boarding I was asked for proof of my negative PCR and QR code for Spain. The flight itself was absolutely fine, everyone wore their mask. Upon arrival in Spain it was standard passport control, show them my QR code and negative PCR and then continue about my life as a normal adult.

It is mind boggling when you see how different the situation is here - Madrid was bustling, crowded streets the norm, all shops open, able to pop in to a bar for a drink as you please. Everyone wears a mask all the time unless eating or drinking. There is a curfew at 11pm - 6am, it works well as most people are in and off the streets by 11. My business took me throughout the city and out in to a suburb, not once was I stopped and asked my business.

I met with some friends who previously lived in Ireland and they did not believe me when I explained the level of restrictions with which we are still being forced to exist.

The trip has certainly confirmed my thoughts that Ireland are making a pigs ear out of this whole thing. It was so nice to escape those putrid yellow signs, the irish media constant frenzy of negativity and to enjoy what is essentially normal life with a facemask. Even the busy metro was a pleasant experience.

At some point as a country we will need to put on our big boys pants and move beyond this obsession with locking down the entire country. We must move on.

Not once did I feel at risk on the entire travel experience, I have had 3 PCR tests in the last week and I will obtain another on my 5th day here.

03-04-2021 11:15AM

Donald Trump wrote: »

Sure plenty of people feign concern for the edge cases that conveniently suit their narrative.

This thread is about people wanting to go on their holliers. No point pretending otherwise.

If you yourself have family abroad, and if you didn't realise beforehand the simple logistical fact that the further away you are from them, the more difficult it is to get back to see them, then maybe you can take stock of your choices after the pandemic is over and reassess what you want to prioritise in your life.

Indeed. Can we apply that to everything?

My family is abroad and have all had covid-19. I'm not at risk and can legally travel.

But ya know, better schools, equality of life, being close to family were all secondary concerns against a newly discovered virus that didn't exist when we made that life choice

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