The Great Reset

Dohnjoe · 28-03-2021 09:10PM

NovemberWren wrote: »

There is some brand new magazine being sold here now, 'The Pulse'. The cover is 'photos of Joe Duffy, Roy Keane, Daniel O'Donnell, Colin Farrell, .....
The caption is: "A special tribute to Nurses and all the Covid heroes whose sacrifice we applaud".
'Ya couldn't make it up!

The health system has been inundated and health professionals have been working flat out

Conspiracy theorists have of course been working flat out to produce never-ending nonsense and denial about the pandemic to an audience of the ignorant who lap it all up without question and regurgitate it any chance they get.

PintOfView · 29-03-2021 12:51AM

NovemberWren wrote: »

There is some brand new magazine being sold here now, 'The Pulse'. The cover is 'photos of Joe Duffy, Roy Keane, Daniel O'Donnell, Colin Farrell, .....
The caption is: "A special tribute to Nurses and all the Covid heroes whose sacrifice we applaud".
'Ya couldn't make it up!

A year of the Hospitals being basically empty - yet the spin now is that the Nurses are the Saviours of the Nation.

When, actually, it is the ordinary people who have borne this 'pandemic'.

btw - the public sector in February, have been given a 3% pay-rise (over 3 years), that SIPTU are absolutely delighted with.

So you think the health workers who took care of all the people that needed hospital treatment for covid, they don't deserve some recognition for it?

They also caught covid in large numbers,
some of them died due to covid,
and many of them have ongoing issues post covid,
some of them potentially long term!!

I have to say it's your reaction that 'ya couldn't make up' !!!
What kind of warped stuff are you reading that gets you into this kind of thinking?

NovemberWren · 29-03-2021 07:56PM

@PintOfView

Have you seen the videos of the "Dancing Nurses" (and 'Dancing Gardai').

The Doctors, Nurses, etc. will now take all the accolades that the media can imagine for them and all the SIPTU, IMO, INO, pay-rises that are possibly there.

For them their dancing was amusement. But with a serious undertone:- it was also their cute future Insurance Policy in case the people question and investigate the exact state of the hospitals at this time; and they will say, "We tried to draw attention to empty hospitals".

Timberrrrrrrr · 29-03-2021 08:31PM

NovemberWren wrote: »

@PintOfView

Have you seen the videos of the "Dancing Nurses" (and 'Dancing Gardai').

The Doctors, Nurses, etc. will now take all the accolades that the media can imagine for them and all the SIPTU, IMO, INO, pay-rises that are possibly there.

For them their dancing was amusement. But with a serious undertone:- it was also their cute future Insurance Policy in case the people question and investigate the exact state of the hospitals at this time; and they will say, "We tried to draw attention to empty hospitals".

You're saying their dancing was really them secretly trying to show the world that the hospitals were empty?

Dohnjoe · 29-03-2021 08:45PM

NovemberWren wrote: »

@PintOfView

Have you seen the videos of the "Dancing Nurses" (and 'Dancing Gardai').

The Doctors, Nurses, etc. will now take all the accolades that the media can imagine for them and all the SIPTU, IMO, INO, pay-rises that are possibly there.

For them their dancing was amusement. But with a serious undertone:- it was also their cute future Insurance Policy in case the people question and investigate the exact state of the hospitals at this time; and they will say, "We tried to draw attention to empty hospitals".

The hospitals have different areas and departments. The parts that deal with an infectious disease, like Covid, have been under severe pressure due to the pandemic, think ICU wards with ventilators. Once these fill up, that ward/department is full, patients have to go to other hospitals, once they all fill up, people start dying because hospitals have to choose who to save. And no they can't magically conjure fully trained staff.

Ignorant/paranoid/deluded people don't understand this, they buy into disinfo that there's no pandemic, so they go into hospitals, and film ONLY the quiet areas. Likewise, last year, some staff made some dancing videos. Like hospital wards and departments, not all staff are working 24 hours a day, there can be downtime for particular types of staff in particular departments depending on load. Ignorant people can't process context like that, so once again they conclude the whole pandemic is a "scam" because they saw some dancing videos.

Note the common denominator here: ignorance

Apoapsis Rex · 29-03-2021 10:00PM

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NovemberWren · 30-03-2021 01:41AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

You're saying their dancing was really them secretly trying to show the world that the hospitals were empty?

I'm saying that the Financial collapse of the economy here and worldwide is being attributed to a virus from which 99.5% of people recover. The doctors and nurses are the persons who at present must know this.

And in the future when this must be factually made know to the public; the nursing, doctor staff will be noted as falsely misrepresenting the situation.

But to mitigate their culpability in this - and to keep their pay-cheques and steady (union-clad) permanent jobs - when the public have been losing jobs, businesses and income;- they made the Insurance Policy dancing videos to be able to excuse themselves for not saying the actual situation.

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-03-2021 06:11AM

NovemberWren wrote: »

I'm saying that the Financial collapse of the economy here and worldwide is being attributed to a virus from which 99.5% of people recover. The doctors and nurses are the persons who at present must know this.

And in the future when this must be factually made know to the public; the nursing, doctor staff will be noted as falsely misrepresenting the situation.

But to mitigate their culpability in this - and to keep their pay-cheques and steady (union-clad) permanent jobs - when the public have been losing jobs, businesses and income;- they madeb the Insurance Policy dancing videos to be able to excuse themselves for not saying the actual situation.

So millions of doctors/nurses/health care professionals all over the world are in on this but none have spoken out?

Are all doctors/nurses/health care professionals all over the world in "steady (union-clad) permanent jobs"?

Wanderer78 · 30-03-2021 06:14AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

So millions of doctors/nurses/health care professionals all over the world are in on this but none have spoken out?

Fcuked it anyway, I thought we d be able to keep this one under wraps for another while at least, the easiest few quid I've ever 'earned!

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-03-2021 06:21AM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Fcuked it anyway, I thought we d be able to keep this one under wraps for another while at least, the easiest few quid I've ever 'earned!

You need to get on to Soros and Bill Gates mate, free money for posting in little known forums telling people the virus i fake, sure I've just bought my third Ferrari this year!!

Wanderer78 · 30-03-2021 06:26AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote:

You need to get on to Soros and Bill Gates mate, free money for posting in little known forums telling people the virus i fake, sure I've just bought my third Ferrari this year!!

Shower of cnuts those two, they never respond to me, think they can just throw me a few quid to keep me quite, and 'the union', don't get me started on those cnuts!

30-03-2021 06:27AM

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

So millions of doctors/nurses/health care professionals all over the world are in on this but none have spoken out?

But also they somehow give the game away cause they had to make a video of them dancing?
Whoops I guess?

Timberrrrrrrr · 30-03-2021 06:28AM

King Mob wrote: »

But also they somehow give the game away cause they had to make a video of them dancing?
Whoops I guess?

They are trying to warn us all through the medium of interpretive dance :pac:

Nonoperational · 30-03-2021 06:48AM

NovemberWren wrote: »

There is some brand new magazine being sold here now, 'The Pulse'. The cover is 'photos of Joe Duffy, Roy Keane, Daniel O'Donnell, Colin Farrell, .....
The caption is: "A special tribute to Nurses and all the Covid heroes whose sacrifice we applaud".
'Ya couldn't make it up!

A year of the Hospitals being basically empty - yet the spin now is that the Nurses are the Saviours of the Nation.

When, actually, it is the ordinary people who have borne this 'pandemic'.

btw - the public sector in February, have been given a 3% pay-rise (over 3 years), that SIPTU are absolutely delighted with.

I can assure you mate the past year has been the worst I've ever worked, and that's saying something. There was about a 6 week period last spring where things were reasonably quiet for non covid services, mainly because we didn't know what was going to happen with the initial surge.
The absolute numbers maybe have been down a little preparing and dealing with covid and the fact that people are isolated to the best of the hospitals ability but to say the hospitals have been 'empty' is plain and simple not true. You can believe what you like, doesn't really matter to anyone bar yourself but form my point of view it's been a disaster.
In my speciality all emergency care continued throughout. All OPD appointments that were cancelled were followed up with a call (which is amazingly difficult due to the chronic inefficiencies of the HSE at times). Any patient that needed it was brought in.
We continued procedures but they were all done with disgusting PPE that makes you sweat more than a sauna after a night on the pints 15 times per day.
We continued OPD diagnostics and reported all as before.
Training was ****ed and annual leave and study leave cancelled at numerous points throughout the year.
At various points we were dragged into possible covid case ED assessment without choice taken from our usual speciality which is very difficult when that's not your usual bag.

I am in no way belittling what the population as a whole had to endure, the two are not mutually exclusive. My direct family were effected terribly both from a professional and personal level. I hate covid, I hate restrictions. It's ruining my job and my training. The right and wrong of lockdown and restrictions are another debate. But to say we had a doss year dancing around the hospital? Man.
Do you think I spent the year sitting in the office and laughing in isolation? You think and medical staff want this? Want this 'hero' nonsense? Give me a break. I continue to do my job. Any patient needs me I see them. Covid or not. I've been spat and, coughed at, hit by covid and non covid patients this year the same as any other year. I still go and see them. Sit with them doing tests for 30 minutes. I got covid. I went home to my family and gave my pregnant wife and 3 year old covid. That's the job. I don't want to be called a hero. I'm certainly not. I'm doing my job that I'm well paid for. But it wasn't how you describe.

01-04-2021 11:19PM

Interesting article on the pro life website Lifesitenews about the push for a global pandemic treaty and the Great Reset: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/24-world-leaders-announce-international-pandemic-treaty-to-implement-great-reset-agenda

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2021 12:02AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting article on the pro life website Lifesitenews about the push for a global pandemic treaty and the Great Reset: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/24-world-leaders-announce-international-pandemic-treaty-to-implement-great-reset-agenda

The author has taken normal information (leaders planning for future pandemics) and carefully inserted an anti-vax, anti-globalist narrative.

Example:

"This final phrase could indicate the influence which World Economic Forum (WEF) founder and committed globalist Klaus Schwab enjoys over the 24 leaders. Just weeks ago, Schwab declared, “As long as not everybody is vaccinated, nobody will be safe,” a statement which in itself poses an interesting question about the trust which such leaders are placing in their much praised, but dangerous, experimental injections."

The bolded part is bull****, it happens throughout the piece. It's garbage.

sabat · 02-04-2021 06:42PM

Nonoperational wrote: »

I can assure you mate the past year has been the worst I've ever worked, and that's saying something. There was about a 6 week period last spring where things were reasonably quiet for non covid services, mainly because we didn't know what was going to happen with the initial surge.
The absolute numbers maybe have been down a little preparing and dealing with covid and the fact that people are isolated to the best of the hospitals ability but to say the hospitals have been 'empty' is plain and simple not true. You can believe what you like, doesn't really matter to anyone bar yourself but form my point of view it's been a disaster.
In my speciality all emergency care continued throughout. All OPD appointments that were cancelled were followed up with a call (which is amazingly difficult due to the chronic inefficiencies of the HSE at times). Any patient that needed it was brought in.
We continued procedures but they were all done with disgusting PPE that makes you sweat more than a sauna after a night on the pints 15 times per day.
We continued OPD diagnostics and reported all as before.
Training was ****ed and annual leave and study leave cancelled at numerous points throughout the year.
At various points we were dragged into possible covid case ED assessment without choice taken from our usual speciality which is very difficult when that's not your usual bag.

I am in no way belittling what the population as a whole had to endure, the two are not mutually exclusive. My direct family were effected terribly both from a professional and personal level. I hate covid, I hate restrictions. It's ruining my job and my training. The right and wrong of lockdown and restrictions are another debate. But to say we had a doss year dancing around the hospital? Man.
Do you think I spent the year sitting in the office and laughing in isolation? You think and medical staff want this? Want this 'hero' nonsense? Give me a break. I continue to do my job. Any patient needs me I see them. Covid or not. I've been spat and, coughed at, hit by covid and non covid patients this year the same as any other year. I still go and see them. Sit with them doing tests for 30 minutes. I got covid. I went home to my family and gave my pregnant wife and 3 year old covid. That's the job. I don't want to be called a hero. I'm certainly not. I'm doing my job that I'm well paid for. But it wasn't how you describe.

Would you care to comment on the fraudulent classification of deaths happening in hospitals? I've spoken to several medical professionals who are outraged by what's going on.

Dohnjoe · 02-04-2021 07:47PM

sabat wrote: »

Would you care to comment on the fraudulent classification of deaths happening in hospitals? I've spoken to several medical professionals who are outraged by what's going on.

Who did you speak to exactly and what were their comments?

runawaybishop · 02-04-2021 07:50PM

sabat wrote: »

Would you care to comment on the fraudulent classification of deaths happening in hospitals? I've spoken to several medical professionals who are outraged by what's going on.

Hahahaha. No you have not.

Timberrrrrrrr · 02-04-2021 07:53PM

sabat wrote: »

Would you care to comment on the fraudulent classification of deaths happening in hospitals? I've spoken to several medical professionals who are outraged by what's going on.

Really? I mean....really?

I've spoken to several medical professionals who are absolutely delighted with the way things are going.

See what I did there?

NovemberWren · 02-04-2021 10:16PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting article on the pro life website Lifesitenews about the push for a global pandemic treaty and the Great Reset: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/24-world-leaders-announce-international-pandemic-treaty-to-implement-great-reset-agenda

AW Janey. where to start. "their 'responsibility' to 'ensure that the world learns the lessons', lol. sheeple are about to rattle 'roundabout already. cafe side-bars, shops, penneys, wot's to learn? There will be now Covid-21, but mostly, there will be creme de la cappucino.

"to improve... alert systems, data-sharing, research..." already there. The ppl have themselves convinced that they are not there.

The gem, "as long as not everybody is vaccinated, nobody will be safe". Stabbing people with needles [why not sabres?] is not a universally sought after action. And some ppl will be rightly wary.

PintOfView · 03-04-2021 01:57AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Interesting article on the pro life website Lifesitenews about the push for a global pandemic treaty and the Great Reset: https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/24-world-leaders-announce-international-pandemic-treaty-to-implement-great-reset-agenda

I've noticed that a lot of these conspiracy sites also seem to carry pro life (anti-abortion) views!
I can't understand why some people opposed to abortion somehow seem to be more susceptible to embracing wild stuff like the WEF / great reset / Bill Gates / etc?
I don't doubt that the majority are probably genuine people, I just don't understand the connection?

It would be interesting to read a future historian's research into the source of these conspiracies!
We know that plenty of fake news was manufactured in the past 10 years simply to attract particular audiences.
This is in order to sell advertising, and generate money, just like with their bigger cousins, CNN and Fox News.

Is it possible that a lot of people were taken in by this stuff (fake made up news),
and are now hooked on it? And believe it simply from exposure?

I see young people these days who get hooked on social media topics,
and those media sites cynically feed them more of the same,
so as to maximise the eye balls on screens,
and thereby maximise the advertising opportunities and thus income.

I suppose conspiracies can also be a form of entertainment, and interest, for some people.
It reminds me of the WWE, the professional wrestling world.
I had been aware of it for a good few years before I realised it was completely fake,
and all choreographed for entertainment.

So believing in conspiracies can be harmless fun, just like half believing the wrestling, etc.
However it can also be a bit dangerous, both to the believers, and to the rest of the community,
when dealing with real issues like covid, or climate change, etc.

And of course the conspiracies are made easier to believe due to real stuff that does happen,
where large corporations, or industries, lobby and use PR methods to promote their interests.
We've seen this clearly with big tobacco in the past, and with companies that damage the environment, etc.
Google "oil industry climate change denial" for interesting views on that topic.

The bottom line seem to me to be that if we are concerned about getting truth of a story
we need to approach all we read with a healthy scepticism,
and anything that we consider important will need to be double checked, and fact checked multiple ways,
particularly if gotten from less reputable sources.

If we don't do that we risk the facts from our entertainment worlds seeping into our real worlds!

(got a bit carried away there!!)

03-04-2021 02:19AM

PintOfView wrote: »

I've noticed that a lot of these conspiracy sites also seem to carry pro life (anti-abortion) views!
I can't understand why some people opposed to abortion somehow seem to be more susceptible to embracing wild stuff like the WEF / great reset / Bill Gates / etc?
I don't doubt that the majority are probably genuine people, I just don't understand the connection?

There's a lot of crossover with conspiracy theories and extreme Christianity. A lot of conspiracy theories involve "end of days" ideas. For example how we keep being told that Bill Gates has patent number 666 or the vaccines have "Luciferiase" etc.

Since most conspiracy theorists just repeat what they are told from sources that also have extreme Christian and far right agendas, they just repost links without looking into those sources or thinking much about what's on those sources.

PintOfView wrote: »

And of course the conspiracies are made easier to believe due to real stuff that does happen,
where large corporations, or industries, lobby and use PR methods to promote their interests.
We've seen this clearly with big tobacco in the past, and with companies that damage the environment, etc.
Google "oil industry climate change denial" for interesting views on that topic.

Interestingly, most conspiracy theorists don't accept climate change either. This is also probably because of the right leaning in conspiracy theory sources, but also a general distrust of science and an anti-science mindset.

Dohnjoe · 03-04-2021 09:20AM

King Mob wrote: »

There's a lot of crossover with conspiracy theories and extreme Christianity. A lot of conspiracy theories involve "end of days" ideas. For example how we keep being told that Bill Gates has patent number 666 or the vaccines have "Luciferiase" etc.

Since most conspiracy theorists just repeat what they are told from sources that also have extreme Christian and far right agendas, they just repost links without looking into those sources or thinking much about what's on those sources.

Interestingly, most conspiracy theorists don't accept climate change either. This is also probably because of the right leaning in conspiracy theory sources, but also a general distrust of science and an anti-science mindset.

Anti-intellectualism, almost out of spite.

Nonoperational · 03-04-2021 09:27AM

sabat wrote: »

Would you care to comment on the fraudulent classification of deaths happening in hospitals? I've spoken to several medical professionals who are outraged by what's going on.

Honestly I don't know. I certainly haven't classified any non covid death as covid. Had a few patients with bad heart failure that had Covid when they died and if I think the covid was the acute cause of death then I put covid first and heart failure as the chronic background illness.
If they die of heart failure and test positive for covid but I don't think covid was the cause of death I put heart failure as the cause of death.

Nobody has ever, or will ever tell me what to put on a death notification certificate. I don't even know how that would happen to be honest.

What have those medical professionals said? I'm genuinely interested.

Respiratory illnesses have been the straw that break the camels back for frail older people since the beginning of time. Many many nursing home residents unfortunately have pneumonia as their terminal illness and that goes as the cause of death on the cert because that is the acute illness that kills them. Their many underlying illnesses are mentioned but are not the primary cause of death. Covid does the same.

I don't know what people think happens but I'm just a guy that goes to work and does my job honestly and as well as I can. If any management figure ever interfered with my clinical work or my documentation I'd be dug out of them.

03-04-2021 09:57AM

Nonoperational wrote: »

Nobody has ever, or will ever tell me what to put on a death notification certificate. I don't even know how that would happen to be honest.

...

I don't know what people think happens but I'm just a guy that goes to work and does my job honestly and as well as I can. If any management figure ever interfered with my clinical work or my documentation I'd be dug out of them.

This has always made me wonder.
At what point do people become involved in these global conspiracies?

For conspiracy theorists it looks like EVERY scientist, expert and in this case medical professional, is involved in some grand global plot.

Since this is the case, are these people recruited right out of post grad?
Or is there special secret courses they all take where their professor sits them down and tell them their entire field of study is basically just a scam?

Nonoperational, maybe you just missed those classes/information booths...

Nonoperational · 03-04-2021 10:34AM

King Mob wrote: »

This has always made me wonder.
At what point do people become involved in these global conspiracies?

For conspiracy theorists it looks like EVERY scientist, expert and in this case medical professional, is involved in some grand global plot.

Since this is the case, are these people recruited right out of post grad?
Or is there special secret courses they all take where their professor sits them down and tell them their entire field of study is basically just a scam?

Nonoperational, maybe you just missed those classes/information booths...

Similar thing with the drug companies and all that. I talk to pharma reps. I've gone to a few conferences that reps paid the registration fee. But even the reps wouldn't dare make any attempt to question my prescribing practices. They say "our product has good data, will you have a look". I'd have a look. I prescribe the best option for the patient. But some people are convinced we have a monthly whisky and cigar meeting where I get the tens of thousands left behind in a suitcase.

PMBC · 03-04-2021 11:08AM

Nonoperational wrote: »

Respiratory illnesses have been the straw that break the camels back for frail older people since the beginning of time. Many many nursing home residents unfortunately have pneumonia as their terminal illness

Interesting point you make about pneumonia among frail older people. I requested a pneumonia vaccine when I got the flu shot last year but got no follow up.
I thought that such vaccinations would have been a good anti-Covid management measure but seems not.
Any comment on this?
Best of luck with your work.

sabat · 03-04-2021 03:28PM

Nonoperational wrote: »

Honestly I don't know. I certainly haven't classified any non covid death as covid. Had a few patients with bad heart failure that had Covid when they died and if I think the covid was the acute cause of death then I put covid first and heart failure as the chronic background illness.
If they die of heart failure and test positive for covid but I don't think covid was the cause of death I put heart failure as the cause of death.

Nobody has ever, or will ever tell me what to put on a death notification certificate. I don't even know how that would happen to be honest.

What have those medical professionals said? I'm genuinely interested.

Respiratory illnesses have been the straw that break the camels back for frail older people since the beginning of time. Many many nursing home residents unfortunately have pneumonia as their terminal illness and that goes as the cause of death on the cert because that is the acute illness that kills them. Their many underlying illnesses are mentioned but are not the primary cause of death. Covid does the same.

I don't know what people think happens but I'm just a guy that goes to work and does my job honestly and as well as I can. If any management figure ever interfered with my clinical work or my documentation I'd be dug out of them.

Yes or no. Are post-mortem covid tests being carried out on people who were admitted to hospital for other reasons?

PintOfView · 03-04-2021 04:00PM

sabat wrote: »

Would you care to comment on the fraudulent classification of deaths happening in hospitals? I've spoken to several medical professionals who are outraged by what's going on.

The other poster asked you what those medical professionals said.

Why can't you say what they were outraged about?
There were three, or more, can you not remember? or did you make that up?

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