Relaxation of Restrictions, Part X *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

hynesie08 wrote: »

Except for the Taoiseach, tainiste and minister for health have all said we're on course for a better summer in the last 3 days........

"better summer" is barely one step better than the parental "we'll see"
They have no plan or no targets - although I think they do - but won't release it because they'll be held to it.
That's cowardice. The worst kind of lame ever.

We know nothing really.

For example , hospitality may open in the summer...What does any of that actually mean? what are the conditions that will be attached? Will there be a need for NPHET hang wringing and Garda investigations cos some middle aged couple destroyed the nations herd immunity cos their meal was only €8.50.

PTH2009 wrote: »

That tone seems to changing now

I can't deny this...but it's only a vague promise that things may be a bit better than the utter sh1thole the winter and spring was. A drunk at closing time could make those promises...probably with more conviction too.

Dutchboy352 wrote: »

Read it and weep

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40197663.html%3Ftype%3Damp&ved=2ahUKEwizsajQzd3vAhU7tXEKHU_0BfIQFjAEegQIDBAC&usg=AOvVaw1PsjbJFjQui9SA6Rx8qkm7&ampcf=1

What’s this got to do with the GAA?

gozunda wrote: »

Ah so the data is OK now :rolleyes:

Healthcare staff may also may have acquired covid outside a Healthcare setting.

As said numbers for both staff and patients acquiring covid in a Healthcare setting is given. Which as a percentage is just over 2%. So yeah it it seems not many ...

And thats as close as it gets from the available data.

You could of course ring or email the HSPC and ask the precise percentage? Or is it that you want me to make up figures like some here have? :pac:

There’s nothing wrong with the data as presented, other than my own opinion that the hospital data has a few holes in it.

It’s a complete misinterpretation by you of the data to claim that close to 2% of the 324 people in hospital in the two weeks to 30th March tested positive for Covid acquired Covid in hospital.

The data simply is not there. I’m not asking you to make things up, simply to acknowledge that the data is not available in the public domain. We have no idea what level of patient-to-patient transmission is occurring, for example.

You presented the data linked as a slam-dunk proof of HAI Covid being close to 2%, and it’s not, we just don’t know.

I'm awaiting the doom and gloom merchants jumping on today's 761 cases. While conveniently ignoring the unusually low press conference figures from the last two days of 366 and 410. Which is interesting, because the Covid data hub shows yesterday's total positive cases as 713 higher than the day before. I'm curious as to how that translated into a reporting of only 410 cases yesterday but a recent high figure today, conveniently just before the bank holiday to scare people into compliance.

And again, the obsession with raw case numbers when it suits. The number of tests has increased by 25% over the past ten days, with out the number of cases increasing. The positive rate has dropped from 4 to 3.2. A metric frequently highlighted in the daily NPHET sermon when it's going the "right" way, but not mentioned much in the past week when it's thankfully going the right way.

Hospital cases down 24% in the last 10 days. ICU cases down 21%.

Dutchboy352 wrote: »

People would rather gripe about alleged wrongdoings by de gubbermint rather than looks at what they're doing wrong when you see people bragging about meeting up with friends and family

Alleged? LOL. There's a ton of links to clearly documented failures by all of those who are supposed to be leading our coronavirus response. Plenty in the last few pages alone.

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

A better summer that will be more restricted than last summer when we didn't have vaccines.

Can't wait.

How so?

Its hard to get the numbers down, without going even more draconian. I'm out and about in shops etc, it's like pre covid, just with masks. People all on top of each other. People are over the bull****, most face zero risk, vaccine is here... you wont change human nature...

MOH wrote: »

I'm awaiting the doom and gloom merchants jumping on today's 761 cases. While conveniently ignoring the unusually low press conference figures from the last two days of 366 and 410. Which is interesting, because the Covid data hub shows yesterday's total positive cases as 713 higher than the day before. I'm curious as to how that translated into a reporting of only 410 cases yesterday but a recent high figure today, conveniently just before the bank holiday to scare people into compliance.

And again, the obsession with raw case numbers when it suits. The number of tests has increased by 25% over the past ten days, with out the number of cases increasing. The positive rate has dropped from 4 to 3.2. A metric frequently highlighted in the daily NPHET sermon when it's going the "right" way, but not mentioned much in the past week when it's thankfully going the right way.

Hospital cases down 24% in the last 10 days. ICU cases down 21%.

Did you just invent an argument in your head and then get outraged over it?

Stormyteacup wrote: »

There’s nothing wrong with the data as presented, other than my own opinion that the hospital data has a few holes in it.It’s a complete misinterpretation by you of the data to claim that close to 2% of the 324 people in hospital in the two weeks to 30th March tested positive for Covid acquired Covid in hospital. The data simply is not there. I’m not asking you to make things up, simply to acknowledge that the data is not available in the public domain. We have no idea what level of patient-to-patient transmission is occurring, for example. You presented the data linked as a slam-dunk proof of HAI Covid being close to 2%, and it’s not, we just don’t know.

Nope. Incorrect - but no I insist - go on and explain why you think the just over 2% Healthcare setting figure doesn't include hospital data?

I'm all ears...

Or is it you're just hoping for bad news? And because its not as bad as you want it to be - then 'it has holes in it"? Or?

As for this piece of baloney

You presented the data linked as a slam-dunk proof of HAI Covid being close to 2%, and it’s not, we just don’t know.

Nope. That's your hyperbole. I already detailed that the aggregate figure "is as good as it gets"

This was my original comment...

gozunda wrote:

Well there was a short period in January when we were experiencing the highest infection rates to date - that approximately a third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital - contracted the virus whilst in hospital.

Updated figures now show that healthcare acquired infections are running at just over 2% for both patients and healthcare staff. But that's all healthcare settings not just hospitals btw.

...

Truely bizarre you never put such diligence into interrogating madey uppy figures like the '90% of all hospitalisations" being in supposedly those over 70

Its all a bit strange really ...

retro:electro wrote: »

The whole furore over the GAA training is the biggest load of manure I’ve ever heard. It’s almost parody. Groups of young lads have been training in my local grounds for the last month, the local tennis courts have also been host to many teens playing amongst themselves, and more power to them. Why is this any different? The whole thing is so laughable. They’re outdoors where it’s considered safe and getting on with life and skills. Dessie Farrell now suspended over it. I don’t even follow sport or care about it but talk about much ado about nothing. Stop the fcuking world and let me off

Agree with you entirely. Absolutely ridiculous the nonsense over this, these guys need to be keeping fit and training together consistently, and the same goes for every county. These guys are athletes, not your normal chap who drinks a few beers every weekend with his mates. We have lost our minds in Ireland.

The skill levels, stamina and team ethic of our inter county teams is something that requires constant dedication and these noddy’s in charge think we can postpone normal play for months for no valid reason, no other country has done this to semi pro sports teams, which is what the inter county competition is.

Now, I must admit, as a culchie, when I seen this earlier I was hoping they would they be banned from the championship this year. Luckily my principles shone through in the end

I was up by UL today, amount of students buying beer was unreal. Great to see, I bought a load of cider myself. I'm done with the restrictions, I followed them 95% of the time and it made no difference, still stuck in level 5, i don't think anyone gives a **** anymore only the usual introverts on here.

pjohnson wrote: »

And that "human nature" will keep things draconian for everyone.

If that’s the case, why are the restrictions the same now as they were at 6000 cases per day and a thousand in hospital?

Shelga wrote: »

I couldn't bring myself to watch Micheal's shite last night, went for a nice walk in the sunshine instead, but am I right in saying that there is still no date for when property viewings can happen?

I do not understand whey they are not giving ANY SORT OF PLAN, and linking it to percentage of the population vaccinated, rather than dates.

Ie:

"When 30% of the population is vaccinated, we can have outdoor dining"

"When 40% of the population is vaccinated, we can have gyms reopen"

"When 50-55% of the population is vaccinated, we can have hospitality reopen, with a 2-3 week notice period so these businesses can prepare"

Do they just not have a clue what they plan to reopen in line with proportions vaccinated?

What is the plan for end of June, IF (and it's a big if, granted) we have those 3m doses in arms?

Seriously, why is there absolutely no roadmap at this stage? I almost can't believe how shambolic it is.

Are they doing this anywhere in the world?

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Incorrect - but no I insist - go on and explain why you think the just over 2% Healthcare setting figure doesn't include hospital data?

I'm all ears...

Or is it you're just hoping for bad news? And because its not as bad as you want it to be - then 'it has holes in it"? Or?

As for this piece of baloney



Nope. That's your hyperbole. This was my comment...



Truely bizarre you never put such diligence into interrogating madey uppy figures like the '90% of all hospitalisations" being in supposedly those over 65

Its all a bit strange really ...

Well the reason for my personal lack of diligence into what you call ‘madey uppy’ figures is that you are on hand to correct figures you may contest. However it seems perfectly in order for you to post stats uncontested and I’m unwilling to let them stand uncontested.

Let me ask you this then - you’ve acknowledged a third of infections in the hospitalised figures were acquired in hospital during January of this year, but if you have a look at the same stats for healthcare, patient and staff transmission HSPC data for the same period, it peaks at 12%.

So which is it, 30% approx by your own admission, or 12% by the data your drawing your conclusions from?

pjohnson wrote: »

And that "human nature" will keep things draconian for everyone.

Exactly I never realized getting pissed drunk and rutting like a wild boar was considered human nature but it seems some people feel it is

niallo27 wrote: »

I was up by UL today, amount of students buying beer was unreal. Great to see, I bought a load of cider myself. I'm done with the restrictions, I followed them 95% of the time and it made no difference, still stuck in level 5, i don't think anyone gives a **** anymore only the usual introverts on here.

Since when has been buying beer and cider being prohibited?

Or is this more of the constant whine in this thread since the beginning "I'm done with the restrictions" or wtte? regardless of the rate of infection or even that atm we're in the process of the biggest vaccine rollout in the states history?