When will it all end?

pjohnson · 01-04-2021 08:53AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

if these crowds of kids in parks and on canal banks are teenagers, then their parents are only in their 30's and early 40's! So you are being disingenuous when you suggest these kids will be orphaned.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

My sister who lives in Donegal went to her local beauty spot yesterday morning for a walk, its a forest. However the gates were blocked by 2 Gardai cars . Tragically there here had been a suicide during the night of a young local teenager.

THIS is not being spoken about. Surely the "vulnerable" consists of more then people in their 70's and 80's! Many young people are also vulnerable. Mentally. And that is just as important. I hope they continue to socialize and drink with their friends. After a year of this and clueless Government restrictions that no longer make sense, they deserve it!

If you are so concerned about them its odd you think they "deserve" to keep the case numbers high so that the restrictions that you claim is hurting them remain.

VonLuck · 01-04-2021 09:00AM

Deleted User wrote: »

So it’s of no benefit to them then.
And they’ll be the ones to suffer for years with high unemployment, high national debt, housing crisis, increased taxation, even worse HSE.

Surely societies focus should always be about prioritising a better future?

A better future for all, not a future cut short for the older and more vulnerable.

Deleted User wrote: »

if these crowds of kids in parks and on canal banks are teenagers, then their parents are only in their 30's and early 40's! So you are being disingenuous when you suggest these kids will be orphaned.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

My sister who lives in Donegal went to her local beauty spot yesterday morning for a walk, its a forest. However the gates were blocked by 2 Gardai cars . Tragically there here had been a suicide during the night of a young local teenager.

THIS is not being spoken about. Surely the "vulnerable" consists of more then people in their 70's and 80's! Many young people are also vulnerable. Mentally. And that is just as important. I hope they continue to socialize and drink with their friends. After a year of this and clueless Government restrictions that no longer make sense, they deserve to be with their friends. There are more ways to die than Covid.

You do realise that these teens parents also have parents? A teenager giving covid to their 40 year parents may seem like nothing, but those 40 year old's have 60-70 year old parents too. It's about general spread.

And this whole "mental health" of the young people is totally over played. Yes, there are people who have serious mental health issues but people are acting like every 18 year old is severely depressed. The majority of people are just sick of it all. That doesn't mean they can't deal with it. I'm sick of it too, but I just need to power through unfortunately.

the kelt · 01-04-2021 09:01AM

pjohnson wrote: »

If you are so concerned about them its odd you think they "deserve" to keep the case numbers high so that the restrictions that you claim is hurting them remain.

Case numbers!

Compare now to when we opened up last may and our testing and case numbers are through the roof. We are running approximately 4 times the case numbers now compared to last may on average.

Yet we have less than half the amount of people in hospitals compared to last May and it even dropped further last night to 270.

We have stagnant “high” case numbers for nigh on what 3/4 weeks and hospitalisations keep dropping, we are now at our lowest since Christmas yet we are still averaging around 600 cases a day

We need to stop obsessing with case numbers being the bible, vaccines are seeing to that yet we still report and obsess over them.

LameBeaver · 01-04-2021 09:02AM

Hellrazer wrote: »

Here in Maynooth the Harbour field was like Glastonbury the other night It looked like great craic altogether. Guess what the curtain twitchers have done now?

Contacted the Garda who are now putting on extra patrols and are going to actively break up gatherings of people.

Ridiculous stuff altogether.

Fair play to them. The more "curtain twitchers " that do this the better.

JimmyVik · 01-04-2021 09:10AM

They know people are just going to throw their hands up in the air at some point and all say fcuk the restrictions.
So they are just trying to drag it out until we get to that point, so more are vaccinated when it happens.
They have no intension of lifting restrictions. Just to play it as long as it lasts.

LameBeaver · 01-04-2021 09:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

if these crowds of kids in parks and on canal banks are teenagers, then their parents are only in their 30's and early 40's! So you are being disingenuous when you suggest these kids will be orphaned.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

My sister who lives in Donegal went to her local beauty spot yesterday morning for a walk, its a forest. However the gates were blocked by 2 Gardai cars . Tragically there here had been a suicide during the night of a young local teenager.

THIS is not being spoken about. Surely the "vulnerable" consists of more then people in their 70's and 80's! Many young people are also vulnerable. Mentally. And that is just as important. I hope they continue to socialize and drink with their friends. After a year of this and clueless Government restrictions that no longer make sense, they deserve to be with their friends. There are more ways to die than Covid.

Another one playing the "mental health" card who has been in favour all along of letting the virus rip and fcuk the vulnerable. Disgraceful post. You should hang your head in shame.

bucketybuck · 01-04-2021 09:13AM

LameBeaver wrote: »

Another one playing the "mental health" card who has been in favour all along of letting the virus rip and fcuk the vulnerable. Disgraceful post. You should hang your head in shame.

Too obvious, you need more subtlety.

LameBeaver · 01-04-2021 09:14AM

Drifter50 wrote: »

Well done, you keep on bringing the bad news. I see you have even started another thread to discuss a significant weather event this weekend where temperatures drop to a few degrees below freezing with associated snow showers likely and late season coverings in places over the coming days.

You then conclude with a smiley emoji !!!!!

I`d say you`re great fun in the pub, Oh wait......................

And why should he not?

LameBeaver · 01-04-2021 09:20AM

VonLuck wrote: »

A better future for all, not a future cut short for the older and more vulnerable.

You do realise that these teens parents also have parents? A teenager giving covid to their 40 year parents may seem like nothing, but those 40 year old's have 60-70 year old parents too. It's about general spread.

And this whole "mental health" of the young people is totally over played. Yes, there are people who have serious mental health issues but people are acting like every 18 year old is severely depressed. The majority of people are just sick of it all. That doesn't mean they can't deal with it. I'm sick of it too, but I just need to power through unfortunately.

It seems that many are seriously lacking in moral fibre.

01-04-2021 09:20AM

LameBeaver wrote: »

Another one playing the "mental health" card who has been in favour all along of letting the virus rip and fcuk the vulnerable. Disgraceful post. You should hang your head in shame .

I will do no such thing! I am an advocate of mental health. I have lost 2 young people in my extended family to suicide. After a year of the most stringent lockdown in Europe no wonder people are breaking. Once again our target for vaccination will NOT be met in April! We are hanging on to the Government fulfilling it's promise day after day, week after week. Yet they fall at every hurdle. How long are people expected to not work? Watch their business collapse? Watch their family and loved ones suffer the longer this goes on?

I am not saying "let it rip". I never said "fcuk the vulnerable". My 87 year mother had Covid and survived. So did my 7 months pregnant daughter, her toddler of 18 months, her husband, both her parents-in law who are obese. All survived, no long Covid, all continued to work throughout .

Most people have a balanced perspective at this stage that Covid is not what is was made out to be at the beginning. 300K people did not die, most people get it and recover unless they have underlying conditions or are morbidly obese. . The vulnerable at now being vaccinated.

However there are others in society who are vulnerable in many different ways , including young people. That is why I gave the example of the young suicide in the forest yesterday.

Plumbthedepths · 01-04-2021 09:22AM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Too obvious, you need more subtlety.

The reg date is the clue isn't it?

Plumbthedepths · 01-04-2021 09:22AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I will do no such thing! I am an advocate of mental health. I have lost 2 young people in my extended family to suicide. After a year of the most stringent lockdown in Europe no wonder people are breaking. Once again our target for vaccination will NOT be met in April! We are hanging on to the Government fulfilling it's promise day after day, week after week. Yet they fall at every hurdle. How long are people expected to not work? Watch their business collapse? Watch their family and loved ones suffer the longer this goes on?

I am not saying "let it rip". I never said "fcuk the vulnerable". My 87 year mother had Covid and survived. So did my 7 months pregnant daughter, her toddler of 18 months, her husband, both her parents-in law who are obese. All survived, no long Covid, all continued to work throughout .

Most people have a balanced perspective at this stage that Covid is not what is was made out to be at the beginning. 300K people did not die, most people get it and recover unless they have underlying conditions or are morbidly obese. . The vulnerable at now being vaccinated.

However there are others in society who are vulnerable in many different ways , including young people. That is why I gave the example of the young suicide in the forest yesterday.

You really shouldn't feed it.

01-04-2021 09:32AM

What I don't understand is why so many people the world over trust the government. Look at what happened in the US with the Tuskegee Syphilis Study, for example. The same CDC that is currently terrifying people in the US (the latest hysteria: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-56572452) conducted that study in collaboration with the United States Public Health Service. It was truly awful what they did and yet it enjoys high levels of support and trust based on polls in the US. I know it was a long time ago, and that there are different people working for the CDC now, but I just think it's always a good idea for people to question what they're told. Not reject it out hand, but just take it on board and examine it.

VonLuck · 01-04-2021 09:32AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

How many outbreaks have been linked to people gathering outdoors?

Impossible to know. Neither of us have the answer.

LameBeaver · 01-04-2021 09:33AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

You really shouldn't feed it.

Remind me again how many threads on this forum you have been banned from chief.

pjohnson · 01-04-2021 09:42AM

the kelt wrote: »

Case numbers!

Compare now to when we opened up last may and our testing and case numbers are through the roof. We are running approximately 4 times the case numbers now compared to last may on average.

Yet we have less than half the amount of people in hospitals compared to last May and it even dropped further last night to 270.

We have stagnant “high” case numbers for nigh on what 3/4 weeks and hospitalisations keep dropping, we are now at our lowest since Christmas yet we are still averaging around 600 cases a day

We need to stop obsessing with case numbers being the bible, vaccines are seeing to that yet we still report and obsess over them.

Whatever the opinion on relying on case numbers its clear to most sane people that the government relies on and uses case numbers as a reason to keep restrictions.

So the people that are supposedly against restrictions encouraging behaviour that keeps up/increases the case numbers is the definition of a self fulfilling prophecy.

They claim to be against restrictions yet do their best to ensure restrictions remain.

SnuggyBear · 01-04-2021 09:45AM

Ah the chief is back

Plumbthedepths · 01-04-2021 09:47AM

Central Bank giving a reality check...
Irish Times Business (@IrishTimesBiz) Tweeted: Up to 100,000 people will permanently lose their jobs as a result of the pandemic, the Central Bank has warned. https://t.co/WflfBsKw4t https://twitter.com/IrishTimesBiz/status/1377523637885022208?s=20

Plumbthedepths · 01-04-2021 09:47AM

pjohnson wrote: »

Whatever the opinion on relying on case numbers its clear to most sane people that the government relies on and uses case numbers as a reason to keep restrictions.

So the people that are supposedly against restrictions encouraging behaviour that keeps up/increases the case numbers is the definition of a self fulfilling prophecy.

They claim to be against restrictions yet do their best to ensure restrictions remain.

Have you any understanding of human behaviour particularly the young?

drunkmonkey · 01-04-2021 09:48AM

Did anyone hear Kingston Mills last night, over the moon they're now testing the Vaccines in 6mt olds. I don't like where this is going, seemingly if we vaccinate 100% of the over 18's we still won't reach herd immunity so we need to vaccinate the children as well.
The HSE seem to be going after young children now with testing being trialed in creches, some will test positive on a pcr test and the argument will be made they need to be vaccinated.
The Governments vaccination plan doesn't work without mandatory vaccinations of children, they won't get the numbers otherwise.

What scares me is still no early intervention to stop severe symptoms and lessen the chances of long Covid. We've become obsessed with the Vaccine as a way out. Somebody needs to change the record pronto or this could possibly get worse not better.

Graham · 01-04-2021 09:49AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Central Bank giving a reality check...

indeed

upgraded its growth forecast for the economy this year to 5.9 per cent, up from a previous forecast of 3.8 per cent, and to 4.7 per cent for 2022.

“The high level of savings that have been accumulated over the the past year as well as improving consumer and business sentiment will support stronger domestic demand [in the second half of 2021],” Mr Cassidy said, noting that an additional €15.7 billion had been placed on deposit by Irish households in the past 12 months.

The Central Bank has calculated than €10 billion of this can be classified as “excess savings”, and that based on previous spending patterns about €5 billion is likely to flow back out into the economy as additional spending once the restrictions are lifted. This would act as stimulus to recovery, Mr Cassidy said.

Plumbthedepths · 01-04-2021 09:53AM

Graham wrote: »

indeed

People who have worked form home have seen a dividend in no transport costs , less on lunches , less on crèche fees increased savings
What has your post got to do with the permanent loss of a 100,000 jobs. (Hard to save money on the dole) downplaying the situation is it?

El_Duderino 09 · 01-04-2021 09:54AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Perhaps the government should have factored in compliance of young people when implementing restrictions then. I'm fed up seeing people be blamed for government failings. We've been under harsh restrictions for a good part of the last year. That feels like a lifetime when you're in your teens/early 20s.

Could you explain that idea?

Which bits are government failings and in what way are they blaming people for their failings?

Graham · 01-04-2021 09:54AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

What has your post got to do with........

Call it balancing out your half-reality check.

Plumbthedepths · 01-04-2021 09:58AM

Graham wrote: »

Call it balancing out your half-reality check.

Not my reality check at all. Contact the CB if you don't like what they said. Must be uncomfortable to champion restrictions when the reality of what collateral damage it does is highlighted for you. As I said though contact the CB I'm sure they will amend their findings for you.

Graham · 01-04-2021 10:02AM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Not my reality check at all. Contact the CB if you don't like what they said

I'm not disputing the findings, rather your determined cherry-picking of the negative parts.

01-04-2021 10:04AM

Graham wrote: »

indeed

Ultimately its been 2 different pandemics financially. One group have record level of savings, another hasn't been able to work at all and a certain % of those will never get their job back.

Graham · 01-04-2021 10:04AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

That's fantastic for the people who have been able to save. Not so much for the 100k who will be out of work though.

Agreed.

One would hope a large proportion of the 100k will benefit from the additional jobs created with the extra €5billion in consumer spending.

El_Duderino 09 · 01-04-2021 10:05AM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It appears as if you're trying to imply that I said government are blaming people. I didn't.

Ok. Could you explain what you did mean?

Plumbthedepths · 01-04-2021 10:06AM

Graham wrote: »

I'm not disputing the findings, rather your determined cherry-picking of the negative parts.

Cherry picking? The tweet was posted today. 100,000 permanent job losses your response to post about savings. Accusing me of a half reality check . Its ok though I forgot we are all in this together, hold firm, stay safe etc etc.

When will it all end?

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