COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Wolf359f wrote: »

City West was jammers today. Car park all full and a constant stream in and out for vaccines.

Love to hear this!

Strazdas wrote: »

Can't agree with that : I don't know the exact numbers, but the US has a large number of pharma manufacturing plants and doesn't even need to import vaccines. The EU doesn't have that level of access to vaccines yet (and has a bigger population).

Completely agree, Pfizer is only produced in the great American city of Puurs, Belgium. Which is only 20 miles from another great American city in Brussels, Belgium. Not like any important EU facilities or members are close by. In fairness they did revert another plant in Michigan to start producing it and it is starting to rollout (first dose produced last week they have only 3 batches completed so far). But it’s still a good month or two away from being anywhere near as the Belgian plant.

https://twitter.com/business/status/1376850769337581569?s=21

lucernarian wrote: »

Thank you for sharing some serious and high quality information, not some clickbait typing in capitals from a Twitter account named after a pasta dish.

Clickbait ?? It's literally the same study....
The full thread contains a link to CDC
https://twitter.com/sailorrooscout/status/1376558522641620994?s=20

From an account that has been accurate throughout, I believe the person actually works for Moderna. But sure each to their own.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

From an account that has been accurate throughout, I believe the person actually works for Moderna. But sure each to their own.

Love that twitter account!

They know exactly what they're talking about (being a molecular biologist with a history of research in emerging pathogens) and always link the research....yet people don't take them seriously because of their name!?!

Carefree88 wrote: »

It's very simple to prove

I don't know why no country has done it yet, UK talked about it but no news lately.

A challenge trial

Get 1000 healthy young people 18-25, put them in a medical compound, pay them well €10,000 each and put Covid in the air and we will know for 100% how it infects, do vaccines stop transmission, do they stop symptoms

At a cost of 10 million its peanuts

Why no country has done it I don't know, nothing unethical about it, volunteers no the risk.

https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/07/oxfords-jenner-institute-to-prepare-for-challenge-trials-for-covid-19.html


https://marginalrevolution.com/marginalrevolution/2020/09/challenge-trials-in-britain.html

It appears to be underway:

https://hvivo.com/the-human-challenge-programme/

lucernarian wrote: »

Why would I pay attention to a Twitter account named after junk food, as opposed to the CDC or named experts in the field like Luke O'Neill? And someone typing in all caps to make a point doesn't sound like a credible source of information to me.

No disrespect to you btw, I just don't see why an anonymous Twitter account would be treated as a source of info on anything, especially when they retweet information from actual credible/scientific sources that could equally be posted here.

Because you don't know the history of their posting obviously, just one look at their name and decided.

lucernarian wrote: »

Why would I pay attention to a Twitter account named after junk food, as opposed to the CDC or named experts in the field like Luke O'Neill? And someone typing in all caps to make a point doesn't sound like a credible source of information to me.

No disrespect to you btw, I just don't see why an anonymous Twitter account would be treated as a source of info on anything, especially when they retweet information from actual credible/scientific sources that could equally be posted here.

All his/her source material has been from credible sources, put in more a plain version of english but not entirely. If there's a similar thread that gathers this information and explains as such but with an appropriate dull looking profile please show us.

I dont know if you are being sarcastic of about Luke o'Neill because expertise aside, the way he posts on twitter is definitely toward the realm of pop science more so that Mac N'Chise.

Corholio wrote: »

Because you don't know the history of their posting obviously, just one look at their name and decided.

I've made the point about that account a couple of times before, that it presents information in a sensational and OTT way. I first came across the account about 3 months ago or thereabouts.

lucernarian wrote: »

I've made the point about that account a couple of times before, that it presents information in a sensational and OTT way. I first came across the account about 3 months ago or thereabouts.

Someone you mentioned, Luke O'Neill follows that account and retweets from it too. Quite a bit of info that 'experts' talk about come from secondary accounts like this that have much deeper involvement in inner workings than the likes of O'Neill, who I don't dislike but has the same access to these studies as you or I because they get posted on twitter etc.

lucernarian wrote: »

Honestly I haven't seen LON retweet them, I actually followed Luke partly for that reason. And really that's just one expert of many who have provided informative and educational posts on twitter.

I still think that mac and chise account posts sensational tidbits and black-and-white conclusions on complicated topics, and they're gonna emphasise their point in CAPITAL LETTERS. To each, their own of course. I just don't get the appeal of it compared to so many other primary sources of info. Like, why the secrecy about who their employer is/isn't, or why post information about Moderna when they have their own Twitter page?

Those are very fair points. I agree the certainty of conviction in some tweets is very ott.

I must also admit having spent the last ten minutes googling. I cannot find a connection between moderna and Chise. Does anyone have a source where they stated they worked with Moderna?

Corholio wrote: »

Someone you mentioned, Luke O'Neill follows that account and retweets from it too. Quite a bit of info that 'experts' talk about come from secondary accounts like this that have much deeper involvement in inner workings than the likes of O'Neill, who I don't dislike but has the same access to these studies as you or I because they get posted on twitter etc.

I don't really get the relevance behind LON retweeting the "pasta person", like Mac and Chise posts some very important and useful information (like that recent example) and they are clearly followed by a lot of people - if Luke O'Neill approves of their style, that doesn't mean I may as well follow Mac on twitter, unless that's the only thing Luke O'Neill talks about. Which in my experience, it's definitely not the case.

Also as Luke O'Neill is internationally prominent in the field of immunology, there would be a lot of info I wouldn't directly have access to (outside of my connections in academia) as there are webinars and remote conferences taking place all the time. Maybe the secondary account thing acts as a kind of protected disclosure, or a way to stop the employer from gagging important employees? Like someone else pointed out that they tweeted the exact same info as the CDC released... But then why share the Mac perspective rather than the CDC's own one? And if they are offering novel content, how can I be sure that they are posting facts and evidence? Twitter is full of people claiming to be an expert in something and I'm more inclined to be skeptical there.

Astra Zeneca in trouble again in Germany. Blood Clots.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-astrazeneca-berlin/berlin-state-hospitals-halt-astrazeneca-vaccinations-of-women-under-55-idUSKBN2BM13E?il=0&utm_source=reddit.com

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSS8N2KO06C?utm_source=reddit.com

That's really worrying for our vaccination rollout program. Wonder are we better to switch our over-70s over to AstraZeneca and start giving Pfizer/Moderna to young people instead. If we get all our over-70s done and it turns out we can't use any more AstraZeneca, we're screwed.

Interestingly, Sputnik V and Johnson & Johnson are both very similar (viral vector vaccines). I imagine you'd expect to see similar issues there.

Will be interesting to see how it develops. I will take AZ if they don't want it.