Fighter jets for the Air Corps?

jonnybigwallet wrote: »

Glad to hear about more Eire signs being restored. Did they restore the one on Bray Head that was exposed in a gorse fire a couple of years ago? I hope so! I might volunteer to help out with further restorations.... Keep safe Y'all!

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Yawlboy wrote:

The RAF is to retire 24 Tranche 1 Typhoons - The Air Defense model. Those planes aren't too old and were expected to be in service until 2040 following recent upgrades. Would be ideal for Ireland with training, servicing and maintenance available next door.....

Maybe we need to build a few houses first, and maybe employee a few more health workers, before we considering buying military death machines!

Yawlboy wrote: »

Ireland spends 0.29% of GDP on its Military, one of the lowest in the world. Its military personnel are underpaid and lacking in equipment.

However we have the 5th highest spend on Healthcare. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(18)30461-6/fulltext

oh i agree our personnel should be getting better paid, but forking out millions, possibly billions on flying death machines, na you re grand thanks, let other countries do such stupid things.

yup, and our health care system needs even more money, and we cant keep taxing people more for it either

Gary kk wrote: »

No the health care doesn't need more money it need a course In financial management

it actually doesnt really, because its not like a private sector business, having a functioning health care system is a critical economic and societal need, as not having one, causes major economic shocks such as lockdowns etc!

Yawlboy wrote: »

The RAF is to retire 24 Tranche 1 Typhoons - The Air Defence model. Those planes aren't too old and were expected to be in service until 2040 following recent upgrades. Would be ideal for Ireland with training, servicing and maintenance available next door.....

Plus we could act as "Aggressor" in training exercises with the RAF

https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/uk-defence-command-paper-raf-to-axe-older-typhoons

But getting back to my original point, the Typhoon would be an excellent choice for air defence fighter. Reckon the UK would let them go very cheaply to us.

looks like ive triggered some in here, thats a good sign! thank god folks like yourselves arent within an arses roar of government, fighter jets are not peace keeping machines folks, theyre designed to maim and kill, period. lets grow up and try do as much as possible to prevent their use in the first place, by using this money to create critical societal needs, and let the war games just be for the real kids

Wanderer78 wrote: »

looks like ive triggered some in here, thats a good sign! thank god folks like yourselves arent within an arses roar of government, fighter jets are not peace keeping machines folks, theyre designed to maim and kill, period. lets grow up and try do as much as possible to prevent their use in the first place, by using this money to create critical societal needs, and let the war games just be for the real kids

I think you will find this thread is about policing Irish air space with interceptors not ground attack jets.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

looks like ive triggered some in here, thats a good sign! thank god folks like yourselves arent within an arses roar of government, fighter jets are not peace keeping machines folks, theyre designed to maim and kill, period. lets grow up and try do as much as possible to prevent their use in the first place, by using this money to create critical societal needs, and let the war games just be for the real kids

You do realise that the rifles soldiers carry fire bullets not fluffy balls of cotton, That the apcs/ifv are also designed for one purpose and thats not to deliver flowesrs.

Grimscribe wrote: »

So what do you say we do in the event some unfriendly lads with flying death machines (designed to maim and kill) start maiming and killing over here? Do we make them a pot of tea and tell them how much we're spending on healthcare to try make them jealous?
This might come as a shock but adequately defending a country from unfriendly lads may require maiming and killing, or so I've heard

Nobody with the force projection capabilities to start "maiming and kill over here" would be the slightest bit worried by the number of fighters we could procure.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Nobody with the force projection capabilities to start "maiming and kill over here" would be the slightest bit worried by the number of fighters we could procure.

You can use this same logic to argue against even having a military. Why bother even putting up a fight if someone bigger will be able beat you anyways? Obviously it doesn't carry much weight since just about every country has a military and most of those are capable of defending their airspace

Grimscribe wrote: »

You can use this same logic to argue against even having a military. Why bother even putting up a fight if someone bigger will be able beat you anyways? Obviously it doesn't carry much weight since just about every country has a military and most of those are capable of defending their airspace

you're right, you can.

The Typhoon T1's would be a brutal money pit to be fair, Austria is selling off theirs and starting a replacement program due to operating costs and sustaining them, and for a neutral nation they still spend more than us. So even if they were giving the T1s away I'd avoid them, particularly as we have no idea of their material state. It's the same for the RAF tossing the C130's, from other websites, a core reason is they need their Wing boxes replaced within the next 10 years.

As to the argument about how everything else needs money first, it's an utterly false argument, the HSE for example could have the entire national budget thrown at it and they would be back before the end of the year asking for more. Same for housing, the issues there just won't be fixed by throwing money at it, there's systemic issues there.

Again, 25 years ago we spent over 1% on GDP when we as a nation were utterly poor compared to what we are now, its not impossible or unsustainable.

That is that then. May as well bin that idea altogether! Back to the shopping list to find a cheaper alternative...

Dohvolle wrote: »

If only there was some type of aircraft able to do the Air Policing role in a way that would please everyone.

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Markcheese wrote: »

Does anyone know roughly what proportion of pilots would make it through a fast jet course ?
As in how aprox many pilots would an air force have to put through basic pilot training -to get 1 who would be able to qualify on fast jets ...

And do airforces release trained pilots quickly , if they subsequently don't have a role for them -

you can see the pass rates for the RAF here https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/451944/20150720-FOI_05642_Aircrew_Stats.pdf

Surprisingly high.