IFA v Lidl/Aldi

Sheep breeder · 29-03-2021 12:16AM

screamer wrote: »

I find all own brand milk to be pure muck compared to the main brands, and I only buy that. Price is more I know that, but I prefer to pay an extra 50 cents for 2 litres, I can taste the difference between them, and being honest, the main brand milk lasts far longer too.

Can you please explain the difference, most cows are giving in or around the same fat and protein content from a grass based system. Milk is taken from a cow to a very high standard on all farms and cooled and hygiene is second to none or the price drops. Winter milk is produced from mostly tmr feed to cows and handled the same way as spring milk.

Jb1989 · 29-03-2021 12:26AM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Most own brand is plastic bottle 2l, whereas branded product is Tetra carton, production cost of printed Tetra is higher than plastic 2l so is priced accordingly, most creameries also sell a sub brand of their own in the price range of supermarket own brand,

I agree on the packaging affecting taste.
I can enjoy drinking our 1 litre milk 'straight' out of the cardboard style carton, but can't like the taste of the 2 litre or 500 ml plastic carton.
Tho havent noticed a taste difference if any is poured into a glass or mug.

Bass Reeves · 29-03-2021 12:27AM

Sheep breeder wrote: »

Can you please explain the difference, most cows are giving in or around the same fat and protein content from a grass based system. Milk is taken from a cow to a very high standard on all farms and cooled and hygiene is second to none or the price drops. Winter milk is produced from mostly tmr feed to cows and handled the same way as spring milk.

As well all cows are milk into same tank and milk is carried on the same tanker from a group of farms, it is unloaded into huge bulk tanks. It is batch homogenised and then packaged for sale as own brand or branded products

thenightman · 29-03-2021 12:49AM

Don't ruin that milk aficionados fantasy that his branded milk is collected by fashion models and driven to a swanky dairy in D4 in a fleet of Mercs before being personally hand bottled and carefully placed into the fridge in his supermarket!

Base price · 29-03-2021 01:07AM

Jb1989 wrote: »

I agree on the packaging affecting taste.
I can enjoy drinking our 1 litre milk 'straight' out of the cardboard style carton, but can't like the taste of the 2 litre or 500 ml plastic carton.
Tho havent noticed a taste difference if any is poured into a glass or mug.

I reckon there is a taint from the larger plastic containers of milk. I buy 1ltr cartons of Avonmore milk when I'm in my place in Longford and I buy Premier Dairies 1ltr milk when I'm home in NCD - support your local dairy farmer.

whelan2 · 29-03-2021 08:18AM

Have a 2 litre container here bought on Thursday 26th, date on it is 5th April. That's a long time

Bullocks · 29-03-2021 10:10AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Have a 2 litre container here bought on Thursday 26th, date on it is 5th April. That's a long time

Do ye ever take a jug from the tank?

whelan2 · 29-03-2021 10:14AM

Bullocks wrote: »

Do ye ever take a jug from the tank?

Very rarely. Not great for the waistline. Kids can't believe the difference in the taste

Bullocks · 29-03-2021 10:17AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Very rarely. Not great for the waistline. Kids can't believe the difference in the taste

If milk was the only thing swelling my waistline I wouldn't be too bad haha.

Bass Reeves · 29-03-2021 10:23AM

whelan2 wrote: »

Very rarely. Not great for the waistline. Kids can't believe the difference in the taste

We buy a pasteurised milk that is supplied by a small dairy down named Ardfert milk. It taste is completely different to homogenised milk. It costs 2.75 for two litres. We use ordinary low-fat for tea or coffee etc

odyssey06 · 29-03-2021 10:26AM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

We buy a pasteurised milk that is supplied by a small dairy down named Ardfert milk. It taste is completely different to homogenised milk. It costs 2.75 for two litres. We use ordinary low-fat for tea or coffee etc

People drinking milk as a drink in itself probably more willing to pay a premium for a particular milk.
But where it is being used primarily in a 'supporting' role it's a commodity purchase on price.

Hard Knocks · 29-03-2021 10:46AM

Jb1989 wrote: »

I agree on the packaging affecting taste.
I can enjoy drinking our 1 litre milk 'straight' out of the cardboard style carton, but can't like the taste of the 2 litre or 500 ml plastic carton.
Tho havent noticed a taste difference if any is poured into a glass or mug.

Plastic containers are convenient but do affect the contents
If you open a plastic bottle of 7up drink some resell and put in the fridge and open a can and put opened in the fridge you’ll notice the plastic goes flat quicker

RandomViewer · 29-03-2021 03:51PM

Base price wrote: »

I reckon there is a taint from the larger plastic containers of milk. I buy 1ltr cartons of Avonmore milk when I'm in my place in Longford and I buy Premier Dairies 1ltr milk when I'm home in NCD - support your local dairy farmer.

If the milk is kept chilled through the supply chain there shouldn't be a taste but if it gets to room temperature there will be a hint of plastic,

FileNotFound · 29-03-2021 04:00PM

While I don't think that there is any difference in taste due to branding.

I imagine that different parts of the country (different creameries) will have slight differences. Maybe this is what people are really tasting? When people say they buy branded milk is it just 1 brand?

I don't imagine that any creamery is changing process too much between batches. So in theory any shop brand they pack should taste the same as their own??

FileNotFound · 29-03-2021 04:03PM

Hard Knocks wrote: »

Plastic containers are convenient but do affect the contents
If you open a plastic bottle of 7up drink some resell and put in the fridge and open a can and put opened in the fridge you’ll notice the plastic goes flat quicker

Wouldn't that most likely be down to the smooth can surface v rough plastic (that centre piece on the bottom) and their relative effects on CO2 formation.

Basically the same concept that is used in pint glasses?

RandomViewer · 29-03-2021 04:17PM

FileNotFound wrote: »

While I don't think that there is any difference in taste due to branding.

I imagine that different parts of the country (different creameries) will have slight differences. Maybe this is what people are really tasting? When people say they buy branded milk is it just 1 brand?

I don't imagine that any creamery is changing process too much between batches. So in theory any shop brand they pack should taste the same as their own??

Same type of cows, same diet, everything pasteurised and homogenised to the same fat content, I can't see how there would be much difference,
They'd only be changing the labels on the containers from one brand to another

monseiur · 29-03-2021 04:50PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Same type of cows, same diet, everything pasteurised and homogenised to the same fat content, I can't see how there would be much difference,
They'd only be changing the labels on the containers from one brand to another

You're 100% correct. A friend worked for over 25 years for a well known bakery.
The bakery had their own brand and also supplied most of the big supermarkets with their ''own brand'' bread...same bread only difference they had to change the paper in the wrapping machine !

cute geoge · 29-03-2021 04:51PM

FileNotFound wrote: »

While I don't think that there is any difference in taste due to branding.

I imagine that different parts of the country (different creameries) will have slight differences. Maybe this is what people are really tasting? When people say they buy branded milk is it just 1 brand?

I don't imagine that any creamery is changing process too much between batches. So in theory any shop brand they pack should taste the same as their own??

Well Lee strand will have fresh milk delivered to shops within 24 hours from the time the farmer delivered his milk from his bulk tank to the cremary contrast this to other places where they would be 2 days collections and by the time the lorry collects and it is processed the milk could easily be 4 or 5 days old at this stage

FileNotFound · 29-03-2021 05:02PM

cute geoge wrote: »

Well Lee strand will have fresh milk delivered to shops within 24 hours from the time the farmer delivered his milk from his bulk tank to the cremary contrast this to other places where they would be 2 days collections and by the time the lorry collects and it is processed the milk could easily be 4 or 5 days old at this stage

Sure different creameries will have diff practices and get milk from different areas. There differences would exist.

If you buy a creamery brand and then buy the supermarket brand they pack (say tesco) - those milks will be the same and any taste difference will really be in ones head.

Bass Reeves · 29-03-2021 05:02PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

Same type of cows, same diet, everything pasteurised and homogenised to the same fat content, I can't see how there would be much difference,
They'd only be changing the labels on the containers from one brand to another

There are two noticeable taste differences in milk. The first is the difference between homogenized and pasturized. Nowadays it is hard to get pasturized only milk as homogenized milk has a longer best before date and milk can be processed longer in life by homogenizing. The other noticeable taste difference can be during the winter if farmers are feeding beet to milking cows. Beet leaves a definite taint in the milk. Few Southern Irish produces use beet however it was commonly used in NI

Bass Reeves · 29-03-2021 05:05PM

cute geoge wrote: »

Well Lee strand will have fresh milk delivered to shops within 24 hours from the time the farmer delivered his milk from his bulk tank to the cremary contrast this to other places where they would be 2 days collections and by the time the lorry collects and it is processed the milk could easily be 4 or 5 days old at this stage

No shops get daily deliveries of milk any longer. Milk is delivered normally twice or at most three times a week. Processors collect milk every second at best I think it is a condition with most processors that you have two days storage at peak supply

cute geoge · 29-03-2021 07:36PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No shops get daily deliveries of milk any longer. Milk is delivered normally twice or at most three times a week. Processors collect milk every second at best I think it is a condition with most processors that you have two days storage at peak supply

Lee strand liquid milk is delivered daily by farmers with bulk tank drawn to creamery behind jeep or cars daily .Lee strand pride themselves in daily delivery to shops

whelan2 · 29-03-2021 07:45PM

Bass Reeves wrote: »

No shops get daily deliveries of milk any longer. Milk is delivered normally twice or at most three times a week. Processors collect milk every second at best I think it is a condition with most processors that you have two days storage at peak supply

Milk collected here every day. Plenty of storage

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