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Three people escape from quarantine

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    #92
    slipperyox
    Registered Users Posts: 594 ✭✭✭slipperyox


    If you ever need to know the reasons for a persons behaviour,

    look at the consequences, and then infer the reason.


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    #93
    Klonker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Klonker


    I think this shows why it was a good idea not to go for the Australia approach here. Border controls would be like a sieve.


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    #94
    Valhallapt
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    What crime have the children being interned been tried and convicted of?


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    #95
    For Forks Sake
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    Valhallapt wrote: »
    What crime have the children being interned been tried and convicted of?

    You don't know what that word means, do you?


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    #96
    Melanchthon
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    Is Dubai bad for Covid-19? I thought they had done a massive amount of vacination already? Did Google it but wasn't getting the actual last week or two rates just historic stuff.


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    #97
    For Forks Sake
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    Melanchthon wrote: »
    Is Dubai bad for Covid-19? I thought they had done a massive amount of vacination already? Did Google it but wasn't getting the actual last week or two rates just historic stuff.

    Over 55000 new cases since March 1st.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/united-arab-emirates/


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    #98
    Ronaldinho
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    cajonlardo wrote: »
    It is in no way embarrassing for the Defense Forces. The Defense Forces are not tasked with restraining people in quarantine and they have been ordered not to attempt to detain people.

    I'll take your word for the fact that they've been ordered not to detain people but it begs the question why bother deploying them there at all?

    Anyways - it's pretty hilarious.


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    #99
    JP22
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Bit embarrassing this for the Defence Forces

    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0327/1206551-coronavirus-hotel-quarantine-ireland/

    At least one of the three has been located but jesus how hard is it for them to make sure no one escapes in the first place?

    The DF have respoinsibility what so ever in providing security. They are there on behalf of the state in a liasion capacity only.

    Security is provided by a private security company.
    Ronaldinho wrote: »
    I'll take your word for the fact that they've been ordered not to detain people but it begs the question why bother deploying them there at all? Anyways - it's pretty hilarious.

    DF personnel involved have no option, when you work for a state agency, you follow orders, simple as.


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    #100
    poisonated
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    I believe you can rent a guitar for free at the hard rock hotel. That’s what I would do to spend time (actually get decent at guitar). I’m not sure if this is the case during covid though.


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    #101
    Strumms
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    JP22 wrote: »
    The DF have respoinsibility what so ever in providing security. They are there on behalf of the state in a liasion capacity only.

    Security is provided by a private security company.



    DF personnel involved have no option, when you work for a state agency, you follow orders, simple as.

    They are there for the optics... basically PR.. “ army will supervise quarantine “. Big difference between supervising and enforcing.

    I could supervise a heart transplant, I couldn’t carry one out. To supervise is to observe only....


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    #102
    agoodpunt
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    I was in a another country's qurrantine recently could have left easy but I would have been caught eventually put on a plane and banned from returning forever


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    #103
    is_that_so
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    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    You don't know what that word means, do you?

    Internment definition
    Internment is the practice of putting people in prison for political reasons.

    This is a detention, but just not a camp! DF personnel add a lovely touch too! It tends to refer to preventive confinement rather than confinement after having been convicted of some crime and as this is enforced it is an extremely easy parallel to draw, up to the escapees, who have now committed a crime.


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    #104
    MarkR
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Internment definition


    This is a detention, but just not a camp! DF personnel add a lovely touch too! It tends to refer to preventive confinement rather than confinement after having been convicted of some crime and as this is enforced it is an extremely easy parallel to draw, up to the escapees, who have now committed a crime.

    They're not in prison, and it's for medical purposes.


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    #105
    is_that_so
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    MarkR wrote: »
    They're not in prison, and it's for medical purposes.
    It's still enforced detention and they can't leave. Meanwhile some of the rest of us can't stay away from each other and are spreading the COVID love!


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    #106
    is_that_so
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    nsnoefc1878 wrote: »
    Well for a start they've already paid, but that's not the point in making.
    I'm simply saying that if the system is to have any credibility, if this will have to be punished, otherwise it'll render the system useless and it'll be laughed at and ignored by loads.
    Independent suggesting one of the escapees is from NI and may have left the jurisdiction already - it's not even an hour to the border.


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    #107
    Away With The Fairies
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    These tools that escaped, if they couldn't handle the first day of quarantining in Ireland, would they have ever quarantined at home? I doubt it very much, they're too entitled and would be in and out of shops.


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    #108
    Grab All Association
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    This be the same defence forces that procures Hyundai’s. I had to pull over to the side of the road last week in Portlaoise to laugh when I seen them pass me in one.


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    #109
    caveat emptor
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    It's still enforced detention and they can't leave. Meanwhile some of the rest of us can't stay away from each other and are spreading the COVID love!

    It's actually quarantine. Nice mischaracterising though. Have a read, it might be interesting.
    A quarantine is a restriction on the movement of people, animals and goods which is intended to prevent the spread of disease or pests. It is often used in connection to disease and illness, preventing the movement of those who may have been exposed to a communicable disease, yet do not have a confirmed medical diagnosis. It is distinct from medical isolation, in which those confirmed to be infected with a communicable disease are isolated from the healthy population. Quarantine considerations are often one aspect of border control.


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    #110
    is_that_so
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    caveat emptor wrote: »
    It's actually quarantine. Nice mischaracterising though. Have a read, it might be interesting.




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    Nice utterly pointless effort at re-education. Self-isolating is also quarantine but that allows you a level of personal freedom that detention does not.


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    #111
    whisky_galore
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    Grab All Association wrote: »
    This be the same defence forces that procures Hyundai’s. I had to pull over to the side of the road last week in Portlaoise to laugh when I seen them pass me in one.

    Were they picking up the kids and the weekly shopping?


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    #112
    Dempo1
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    Why exactly are the defence forces involved in this program. Maybe I'm alone in thinking camouflaged soldier's prouncing around the airport and supervising convoys to hotels is deeply troubling given their constitutional mandate. Nice image if your promoting a 3rd world dictatorship.

    Not at all sure how it took so long to come up with this absolute farce when a simple Ban on all incoming passengers from designated countries requires a Simple communication of the word NO, its beggar's belief government could not communicate with countries and airlines and simply refuse entry.

    Instead they come up with this offensive system, herd people and families to 3 star, cramped hotel rooms under escort by a defence force that has absolutely NO powers.

    I'm further baffled why use a facility away from airport, these detention centres should strictly be at the airport, there's certainly one hotel nearer than the Crown plaza.

    Stephen Donnelly maintains this charade will be cost neutral to the state, he's quite deluded if he truly believes that.

    One day in, people escaping (who'd blame them), this debacle needs to end immediately and a more focused ban on travel before journeys are even booked.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    #113
    is_that_so
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    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Why exactly are the defence forces involved in this program. Maybe I'm alone in thinking camouflaged soldier's prouncing around the airport and supervising convoys to hotels is deeply troubling given their constitutional mandate. Nice image if your promoting a 3rd world dictatorship.

    Not at all sure how it took so long to come up with this absolute farce when a simple Ban on all incoming passengers from designated countries requires a Simple communication of the word NO, its beggar's belief government could not communicate with countries and airlines and simply refuse entry.

    Instead they come up with this offensive system, herd people and families to 3 star, cramped hotel rooms under escort by a defence force that has absolutely NO powers.

    I'm further baffled why use a facility away from airport, these detention centres should strictly be at the airport, there's certainly one hotel nearer than the Crown plaza.

    Stephen Donnelly maintains this charade will be cost neutral to the state, he's quite deluded if he truly believes that.

    One day in, people escaping (who'd blame them), this debacle needs to end immediately and a more focused ban on travel before journeys are even booked.
    Supposedly liaison and escort duty but I agree as well as it's not a good look at all.


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    #114
    whisky_galore
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    Dempo1 wrote: »
    Why exactly are the defence forces involved in this program. Maybe I'm alone in thinking camouflaged soldier's prouncing around the airport and supervising convoys to hotels is deeply troubling given their constitutional mandate. Nice image if your promoting a 3rd world dictatorship.

    Why the jaysus are we such pearl-clutchers about this? It's a fcuking pandemic not a fcukin Bord Failte advert.

    The army assists this way in Australia, hardly your "third world dictatorship". They're needed because people can't be trusted to do the right thing, as we have seen both here and abroad.


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    #115
    is_that_so
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    whisky_galore wrote: »
    Why the jaysus are we such pearl-clutchers about this? It's a fcuking pandemic not a fcukin Bord Failte advert.

    The army assists this way in Australia, hardly your "third world dictatorship". They're needed because people can't be trusted to do the right thing, as we have seen both here and abroad.
    Sure, but the cases in the pandemic are being delivered by locals not following advice and restrictions.


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    #116
    caveat emptor
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Sure, but the cases in the pandemic are being delivered by locals not following advice and restrictions.

    True. I think those most vocal against the measure couldn't give a **** what variant is imported next. Either that or they have an interest abroad (and don't give a ****).

    Maybe a holiday home or family. I know loads of people who have family abroad and haven't travelled to see them like they usually would.

    After the January and February we've had it's clear to see why it's not such a good idea right now.

    Selfish arseholes gonna be selfish arseholes hence the need for rules. If everyone did what they were supposed to the statute book would be quite a bit smaller.


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    #117
    whisky_galore
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    is_that_so wrote: »
    Sure, but the cases in the pandemic are being delivered by locals not following advice and restrictions.

    These are sorely lacking, an absolute joke compared to measures elsewhere. The nod and wink 'shur twill be grand', the learned helplessness, business as usual, even in a pandemic.

    If you don't have control at points of entry, people will just waltz home and give granny a hug.
    The entry exit points should be closed off to all except people who ABSOLUTELY need to travel, not accepting scrotes on their way to or from their "essential" travel to a Spanish resort.


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    #118
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    whisky_galore wrote: »
    These are sorely lacking, an absolute joke compared to measures elsewhere. The nod and wink 'shur twill be grand', the learned helplessness, business as usual, even in a pandemic.

    If you don't have control at points of entry, people will just waltz home and give granny a hug.
    The entry exit points should be closed off to all except people who ABSOLUTELY need to travel, not accepting scrotes on their way to or from their "essential" travel to a Spanish resort.

    They don't need to be outside the country to do that and it is where our cases are coming from.


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    #119
    Thomasirl123
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    I hope instead of 12 days in a hotel, it's 12 months in prison now


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    #120
    Valhallapt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭Valhallapt


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    You don't know what that word means, do you?

    Yes I own a dictionary. The state is locking up children who might have covid. Just like the Brits locked up catholics who might have terrorist sympathies, or the Americans locking up Asians in ww2 just incase...

    They have a house to go to, they can be told to isolate there.


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    #121
    caveat emptor
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    Valhallapt wrote: »
    Yes I own a dictionary. The state is locking up children who might have covid. Just like the Brits locked up catholics who might have terrorist sympathies, or the Americans locking up Asians in ww2 just incase...

    They have a house to go to, they can be told to isolate there.

    You left out the nazi's and the jews. 12 days quarantine in a global pandemic hardly equivalent.


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