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COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 213 ✭✭irishlad.


    I guess it's the following week when the Halix treasure chest comes. Which week in April does Pfizer double deliveries?

    April has to be a good month or there will be a lot of disappointed people


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 528 ✭✭✭Godot.


    Russman wrote: »
    If we take out the outliers at the top and bottom of the graph though, they're all fairly close to each other within reason, no ? Someone will finish first and someone will be last but as long as there's not much in it I wouldn't stress. If the pro rata plan stays true, we should all get there at much the same time.

    We will rocket up the list in the next few days. Tues - Fri is when the bulk of the work is done here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭Hococop


    irishlad. wrote: »

    Over 70 next week, hopefully my dad gets the call then


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,117 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    Does anyone know the effect getting the vaccination has on a covid test? I know you are not injected with the virus but is there anything in it which would set off a positive test result should you be tested shortly after.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,899 ✭✭✭Apogee


    plodder wrote: »
    At the start though we were just behind Denmark in 3rd or 4th on that chart. Denmark is still in the same place, but we have dropped.

    You're right - see below. As of Feb 8th, we were nominally 3rd - (Serbia hadn't reported data and that would probably have pushed us into 4th). We're now bottom of that group as of March 22nd (NB. I've stripped out all other EU nations below us).

    But apart from the outliers (Hungary/Serbia who're getting Sputnik;Malta who have done some deal different to everyone else; Denmark who scooped up doses via the vaccine bazaar), there's not a lot to separate the performance of the remaining countries. Our poor IT infrastructure and slow reporting doesn't help.

    Denmark's relative performance has also slipped (2nd to 5th).

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭NeuralNetwork


    https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/news/increase-vaccine-manufacturing-capacity-supply-covid-19-vaccines-astrazeneca-biontechpfizer-moderna

    Increase in vaccine manufacturing capacity and supply for COVID-19 vaccines from AstraZeneca, BioNTech/Pfizer and Moderna
    EMA PRESS RELEASE News 26/03/2021
    EMA’s human medicines committee (CHMP) has adopted several important recommendations that will increase manufacturing capacity and supply of COVID-19 vaccines in the EU.

    New manufacturing site for AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine

    A new manufacturing site has been approved for the production of AstraZeneca’s COVID-19 vaccine active substance. The Halix site is located in Leiden, the Netherlands, and will bring the total number of manufacturing sites licensed for the production of the active substance of the vaccine to four.

    New manufacturing site and more flexible storage conditions for BioNTech/Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine

    A new site has also been approved for the production of Comirnaty, the COVID-19 vaccine developed by BioNTech and Pfizer. The facility, which is in the German city of Marburg, will produce both active substance and the finished product. There are currently three active substance manufacturing sites supplying the EU included in the marketing authorisation.

    In addition to the new manufacturing facility for this vaccine, the CHMP has also given a positive opinion to allow transportation and storage of vials of this vaccine at temperatures between -25 to -15˚C (i.e. the temperature of standard pharmaceutical freezers) for a one-off period of two weeks. This is an alternative to the long-term storage of the vials at a temperature between -90 to -60˚C in special freezers. It is expected to facilitate the rapid roll-out and distribution of the vaccine in the EU by reducing the need for ultra-low temperature cold storage conditions throughout the supply chain.

    New manufacturing site and scaled-up processes for Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine

    Already last week, the CHMP recommended approving the addition of a new manufacturing site for the production of active substance and finished product intermediates for Moderna’s COVID-19 vaccine. The addition of the new manufacturing lines at the Lonza facility, located in Visp, Switzerland, together with other changes to the manufacturing processes that were greenlighted by the Committee are intended to scale-up production capacity and increase supply of the vaccine for the EU market.

    The changes described will be included in the publicly available information on these vaccines on EMA’s website.

    EMA is in continuous dialogue with the marketing authorisation holders of COVID-19 vaccines as they seek to expand their production capacity for the supply of vaccines in the EU. The Agency provides guidance and advice on the evidence required to support and expedite applications to add new sites for the manufacture of high-quality COVID-19 vaccines.

    As for any medicine in the EU, COVID-19 vaccines can only be manufactured in approved sites that are included in the marketing authorisation following regulatory assessment.

    This requires that a manufacturer has a manufacturing licence from the national competent authority of the Member State in which the pharmaceutical manufacturing site is located to ensure that the production process complies with the standards of good manufacturing practice (GMP). National competent authorities carry out GMP inspections in coordination with EMA to check that manufacturers comply with EU standards, the conditions of their licence and the marketing authorisation if obtained.

    In addition, the marketing authorisation needs to submit strong evidence to demonstrate that the site is capable of consistently producing high-quality vaccines according to agreed specifications.

    Once the appropriate data are available, the company applies to add the new manufacturing site to the marketing authorisation. This is done via a variation application. EMA is ready to assess such requests rapidly.


  • Posts: 543 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Does anyone know the effect getting the vaccination has on a covid test? I know you are not injected with the virus but is there anything in it which would set off a positive test result should you be tested shortly after.

    A vaccine will not cause you to test positive. You will of course test positive if you actually have the virus even after a vaccine. But on its own, no.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Akabusi wrote: »
    Does anyone know the effect getting the vaccination has on a covid test? I know you are not injected with the virus but is there anything in it which would set off a positive test result should you be tested shortly after.

    Possible to already have Covid before getting vaccine. Also, you are still vulnerable after vaccine and behave and act like you 'have it' when going out or interacting with others.
    Pakistan's President and former cricketer Imran Khan recently had his first jab, but tested positive two days after. They (the media and medics) said it highly likely he had the virus at the time of injection.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭NeuralNetwork


    The vaccines in use here do not use coronaviruses in anyway. They contain instructions for making the spike proteins on the surface of the virus, which will be made by your some of your cells, and only for a very for a limited time - so the immunity you develop is against the spike protein.

    As there are no components of the actual coronavirus in your system, there is absolutely no way you could get a positive COVID-19 test unless you're actually infected with the coronavirus itself.

    The vaccine does not reach peak effect for around 21 days from the first dose for the mRNA vaccines and they may produce very little protection until then, so do not assume you're vaccinated until those wait-times have passed and for both doses!

    Vaccination is NOT instant. Immunity builds over time. You will have to wait for the times (as per instructions on the vaccine information sheets or online from the manufactures) before you can assume you've full effect.

    It's also possible while vaccinated that you could be infected with the Coronavirus (having picked it up from a contact with someone who is infected) and have no or very few symptoms, and test positive. There's still on going research on that and whether or not the vaccines also produce 'sterilising immunity' meaning that the virus is unable to reproduce and transmit.

    What we do know at this stage is they provide strong immunity, sufficient to stop you becoming seriously ill.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/germany-covid-vaccine-slow-rollout-shortages-bureaucracy-european-union/

    3.5mn Pfizer and Astra Zeneca unused in Germany.

    They are going to pay a high price for their vaccine skepticism, as will much of Europe.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭NeuralNetwork


    There are issues likely in the US population too as you get beyond the groups who are enthusiastic about vaccination, their uptake may plateau.

    There are huge issues with anti-vaxx conspiracy theories driving on line.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭Sanjuro


    Hococop wrote: »
    Over 70 next week, hopefully my dad gets the call then

    Might want to get him to call his GP. My mam rang hers at the start of the week. She's booked in for Saturday week. 72 years old.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Danzy wrote: »
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/germany-covid-vaccine-slow-rollout-shortages-bureaucracy-european-union/

    3.5mn Pfizer and Astra Zeneca unused in Germany.

    They are going to pay a high price for their vaccine skepticism, as will much of Europe.
    It is predominantly AZ shots that are in fridges.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,566 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It is predominantly AZ shots that are in fridges.

    It will be quite annoying with the next big AZ delivery if they end up in the fridges next to the rest instead of to counties within the EU who will use them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 318 ✭✭RavenBea17b


    Danzy wrote: »
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/germany-covid-vaccine-slow-rollout-shortages-bureaucracy-european-union/

    3.5mn Pfizer and Astra Zeneca unused in Germany.

    They are going to pay a high price for their vaccine skepticism, as will much of Europe.

    Does this include held back doses?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    It will be quite annoying with the next big AZ delivery if they end up in the fridges next to the rest instead of to counties within the EU who will use them.
    Yeah we'll see soon enough. That should be in the order of 3m to Germany.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭NeuralNetwork


    Danzy wrote: »
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/germany-covid-vaccine-slow-rollout-shortages-bureaucracy-european-union/

    3.5mn Pfizer and Astra Zeneca unused in Germany.

    They are going to pay a high price for their vaccine skepticism, as will much of Europe.

    I'm a bit confused as that clip has nothing to do with vaccine scepticism and was entirely about lack of supply and people being overly relaxed about social gatherings due to complacency and probably just fatigue.

    Also it's going on about the pause of AstraZeneca as if it's still ongoing on 26/03 which is it is not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,934 ✭✭✭✭bodhrandude


    My sister who is in group 4 gets her vaccination tomorrow, I'm in this same group but haven't heard an inkling as yet from my GP or vaccination centre. She is in Bandon, Cork and I'm in Galway City. Why is there such a difference in priorities?

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    My sister who is in group 4 gets her vaccination tomorrow, I'm in this same group but haven't heard an inkling as yet from my GP or vaccination centre. She is in Bandon, Cork and I'm in Galway City. Why is there such a difference in priorities?

    Shambolic management from the HSE, the usual.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,276 ✭✭✭IRISHSPORTSGUY




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    11521323 wrote: »
    Shambolic management from the HSE, the usual.
    They haven't got the shots and are still doing all 4 groups. There's no point in raising hopes by booking people until they can guarantee supplies. That's an AZ shambles.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭Hococop


    Sanjuro wrote: »
    Might want to get him to call his GP. My mam rang hers at the start of the week. She's booked in for Saturday week. 72 years old.

    I remember my mam was asking a week back and was told nothing really, might get her to ring tomorrow and see if that has changed cheers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,116 ✭✭✭Melanchthon


    There are issues likely in the US population too as you get beyond the groups who are enthusiastic about vaccination, their uptake may plateau.

    There are huge issues with anti-vaxx conspiracy theories driving on line.

    I think the issue is overblown in Ireland and the UK as I think we are among the most vaccine enthusiastic.

    The USA is going to have problems, its not as vaccine skeptical as say Poland, but its going to have these clusters of vaccine skepticism that are going to be geographically concentrated*, you could end up with richer suburbs being outbreak free while inner cities would still be having high rates.
    I have no data on this but I imagine in Poland its more distributed evenly.

    * The UK is might have the same problem but I think its less likely as minorities are still more vaccine positive than minorities in the USA.

    It is important though that it doesn't become a self-fulfilling prophesy the lack of uptake can be reduced with a bit of effort.

    https://mobile.twitter.com/drmarkporter/status/1368494757530509315


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 727 ✭✭✭NeuralNetwork


    I'd also caution about French opinion polling. For whatever reason, it's a nation of sceptics about absolutely everything and they will often poll very differently to how they'll act on something like this. So you could end up with quite high uptake, after a lot of giving out about everything.

    Germany worries me more as there are some quite diehard points of view on non-scientific non-medicine over there, it will just depend on how widespread they are and how people interact with the needs of a pandemic vs views they might hold on less tangible threats with diseases that aren't as blatantly obvious a threat as the coronavirus.

    I honestly don't think either Ireland or the UK have much of an issue on the scepticism front, particularly on this vaccine programme.

    The US will likely hit the wall of illogic at some point though. It's very much there. However, a lot of Americans will also get behind convince and a desire not to need to get back to normality will likely outweigh anti-vaxxer points of view.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 689 ✭✭✭rm212


    The EU should have some system where the likes of Germany aren’t given more doses of each vaccine until their current allocations of said vaccines are used up. The extra doses should be given to countries with the highest and fastest utilisation rates, ahead of schedule, with the slow countries sitting on stockpiles having those deferred doses added to the back end of deliveries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,068 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    is_that_so wrote: »
    It is predominantly AZ shots that are in fridges.

    It's jaw dropping that any bar 2nd shot buffer that any is in fridges, nevermind several millions.

    They are heading to 100k a Day new cases in April.

    No wonder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭worlds goodest teecher


    I have a serious illness and my healthcare professional rang me today to ask me if I intended to receive a vaccine when offered. She told me that she was asked to produce a list of patients she felt i met the requirements of whatever stage that they are now considering. What category is this likely to put me in and considering that I am being added to a list of priorities is being called likely to be imminent?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,180 ✭✭✭1huge1


    I have a serious illness and my healthcare professional rang me today to ask me if I intended to receive a vaccine when offered. She told me that she was asked to produce a list of patients she felt i met the requirements of whatever stage that they are now considering. What category is this likely to put me in and considering that I am being added to a list of priorities is being called likely to be imminent?

    Sounds like "Cohort 4 - Very High Risk", people who are immunocompromised, cancer patients, down symdrome and so on.

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/people-at-higher-risk.html#very-high-risk


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭plastic glass


    1huge1 wrote: »
    Sounds like "Cohort 4 - Very High Risk", people who are immunocompromised, cancer patients, down symdrome and so on.

    https://www2.hse.ie/conditions/coronavirus/people-at-higher-risk.html#very-high-risk

    Wow! This just hit home. 20 private school teachers got the vaccine before many people with Down syndrome. So sad


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