COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Apogee · 23-03-2021 07:47PM

Targetted use of antigen testing -> extra layer of protection:

Irish Examiner wrote:

A nursing home in Tipperary is paying for antigen testing for staff and visitors so they can safely reopen for families. Nursing homes were allowed from yesterday to allow visitors inside the homes twice weekly. However, Patterson's Nursing Home in Roscrea went one step further and is open since Mother’s Day to visitors who agree to an antigen test first.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40249316.html

Similarly:
https://twitter.com/lidl_ireland/status/1374381763066089487

Second vaccination centre opens in Cork:

Irish Examiner wrote:

A vaccination centre will open at Páirc Uí Chaoimh in Cork this week and operate as one of 11 centres nationally as the rollout of Covid-19 vaccines ramps up. The GAA stadium will now be used for the rollout of vaccines for the first time this week when the final group of healthcare staff receive their jabs on Thursday and Friday. The centre will be used to vaccinate people in the first four priority groups and will be used as a mass vaccination clinic further down the line as the vaccination programme scales up.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40249232.html

ArmaniJeanss · 23-03-2021 07:50PM

GT89 wrote: »

I said a while back that there may be coercion to get people to take the vaccine some people doubted my argument. Well I guess I have been proven right.

From memory most of the people who argued with you did so on the basis of whether or not it was a good idea, with most thinking it was good and you not approving of it.
I don't recall many posters nailing their mast to the idea that it couldn't happen.
So I'm not sure you can say you've been proved right.

is_that_so · 23-03-2021 07:52PM

titan18 wrote: »

It going nuclear hurts the UK more than us so feck them tbh if they want to go nuclear over not getting some of the vaccines from the Halix factory. Can't keep on backing down from bullies.

They are not bullying anyone, they already know they'll be down 5m from India, they could be down a lot more from Halix. They also know that Halix will probably be approved for EU vaccine supplies on Thursday. I'd call it realpolitik - a solution where everybody wins a bit but nobody is fully happy. We'll just have to see how it pans out.

Deeper Blue · 23-03-2021 07:52PM

GT89 wrote: »

I said a while back that there may be coercion to get people to take the vaccine some people doubted my argument. Well I guess I have been proven right.
https://twitter.com/shannoncarty3/status/1374290179956047875?s=19

Proper order, do your bit and take the vaccine otherwise you're out in the cold.

Roll on the day when that happens here (and it will).

is_that_so · 23-03-2021 07:55PM

Deeper Blue wrote: »

Proper order, do your bit and take the vaccine otherwise you're out in the cold.

Roll on the day when that happens here (and it will).

And a P45 for anyone who won't take a voluntary vaccine? That could prove very, very expensive.

astrofool · 23-03-2021 07:55PM

titan18 wrote: »

I don't particularly see why the EU should be sending vaccines produced in th EU to vaccinate 40 years in the UK when there are 70 year olds in the EU unvaccinated. It seems stupid tbh.

Especially as all the bluster about their self sourced supply has proven to be completely false.

It can't sit well with the tory government that the vaccine "success" has been built on the back of EU graciousness towards them.

ShineOn7 · 23-03-2021 07:55PM

GT89 wrote: »

I said a while back that there may be coercion to get people to take the vaccine some people doubted my argument. Well I guess I have been proven right.
https://twitter.com/shannoncarty3/status/1374290179956047875?s=19

The absolute state of that girl's Timeline. I lasted less than a minute

Luckily she only has 143 followers, so she may as well be shouting her conspiratorial nonsense out her window

Melanchthon · 23-03-2021 08:16PM

eoinbn wrote: »

I love how the British government/media have been framing the story. The PM is willing to share the vaccines from the Netherlands with the EU. How nice of him.

astrofool wrote: »

Especially as all the bluster about their self sourced supply has proven to be completely false.

It can't sit well with the tory government that the vaccine "success" has been built on the back of EU graciousness towards them.

It's likely to do with this

https://nos.nl/artikel/2368414-deel-in-nederland-geproduceerde-vaccins-naar-vk-door-britse-afspraken.html

You'l need to translate though.

Also now I could be wrong here but didnt the way the EU contract refer to plants in Belgium and Germany?

Anyway stealing this comment from Reddit.

Halix is a subcontractor of AstraZeneca AB (EU) and AstraZeneca Plc (UK).

I'll use a simple analogy. You buy a BMW. It has a transmission issue. You can't take ZF (who actually manufactured the gearbox) to court because you have no contractual relationship. You can take BMW to court because they're the ones you signed an agreement with when you got the car.

Meaning that if Halix signed an agreement with Vaccitech and/or AstraZeneca Plc to provide vaccines or vaccine components to Vaccitech/AstraZeneca's customers (in this case the UK) on a first come/first serve basis and did so before the deal with AstraZeneca AB (which it did, since the UK agreement was in April, EU in December), then the EU has no legal standing to assert any claim against Halix, as they have no contractual relationship. The EU would have a claim against AstraZeneca AB (who they signed their agreement with), however because of the Commission's incompetence in drafting their contract that's dubious.

This is universal in contract law.

IRISHSPORTSGUY · 23-03-2021 08:36PM

30m doses, blimey. Divided by population, that's a little over 300k for Ireland from AZ in the next week?

JacksonHeightsOwn · 23-03-2021 08:40PM

IRISHSPORTSGUY wrote: »

30m doses, blimey. Divided by population, that's a little over 300k for Ireland from AZ in the next week?

do you really believe AZ will come through on that amount?

Ill eat my hat if they do.

lawrencesummers · 23-03-2021 09:15PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Russian science was good, in 90s anyone with half a brain left for the west. The educational system has also imploded and like everything in country is severely under funded. Russia today more resembles the more redneck parts of US with religion and nationalism and fascism all mixed in not the Russia of Soviet Union era where science was a good way to avoid being shipped off to Siberia, back then government could take everything from a person but they couldn’t have their mind, that’s why so many went into science, math and engineering back then.

Russia is a shell of what it was a, it’s now a dystopian oligarchy which would make all those millions who spent their lives defending the motherland cry.

The vaccine works though.

As much as you might not like the country the vaccine works.

GazzaL · 23-03-2021 09:24PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

The vaccine works though.

As much as you might not like the country the vaccine works.

Many of the pro lockdown crowd are racist. They'd seemingly rather see Irish people die and destroy our society and economy before they'd consider Sputnik.

I got a load of abuse from them when I said I shook hands with an Eastern European gypsy during the lockdown.

Deathofcool · 23-03-2021 09:27PM

Was pleased to hear of someone I know in their early 30s with a low/moderate underlying condition has a vaccine appointment this week. Equally I am a bit mystified that I know someone in their late 60s with multiple more serious underlying conditions has not heard anything to date, just that their GP will notify them in due course. Hopefully that is very soon.

beggars_bush · 23-03-2021 09:29PM

GazzaL wrote: »

Many of the pro lockdown crowd are racist. They'd seemingly rather see Irish people die and destroy our society and economy before they'd consider Sputnik.

I got a load of abuse from them when I said I shook hands with an Eastern European gypsy during the lockdown.

Ara here.
This is loony stuff

Marhay70 · 23-03-2021 09:29PM

correct horse battery staple wrote: »

Russian science was good, in 90s anyone with half a brain left for the west. The educational system has also imploded and like everything in country is severely under funded. Russia today more resembles the more redneck parts of US with religion and nationalism and fascism all mixed in not the Russia of Soviet Union era where science was a good way to avoid being shipped off to Siberia, back then government could take everything from a person but they couldn’t have their mind, that’s why so many went into science, math and engineering back then.

Russia is a shell of what it was a, it’s now a dystopian oligarchy which would make all those millions who spent their lives defending the motherland cry.

You obviously never bought a Lada.:D

GT89 · 23-03-2021 09:32PM

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

From memory most of the people who argued with you did so on the basis of whether or not it was a good idea, with most thinking it was good and you not approving of it.
I don't recall many posters nailing their mast to the idea that it couldn't happen.
So I'm not sure you can say you've been proved right.

People were saying that it wasn't coercion

Galwayguy35 · 23-03-2021 09:39PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Do you know something we don’t? Did you get some inside info? If so please share

funnydoggy wrote: »

Go on, explain why

Because the EU rollout has been a complete mess up to now and we are nearly into April and they are still only on the old and sick, I'd be delighted if I was wrong and 86% were jabbed by June so we can get back to normal life.

thecretinhop · 23-03-2021 09:39PM

gone a bit mad in here..
anyhow did shopping 2day had to lie down after. sorta fluey but feeling fine now had az jab yesterday

Danzy · 23-03-2021 09:43PM

is_that_so wrote: »

They are not bullying anyone, they already know they'll be down 5m from India, they could be down a lot more from Halix. They also know that Halix will probably be approved for EU vaccine supplies on Thursday. I'd call it realpolitik - a solution where everybody wins a bit but nobody is fully happy. We'll just have to see how it pans out.

Seems like a reasonable outcome, hopefully the EU will really push the rollout of the extra supply.

It should only be given out to those that are using it, no use of stock. Means no new stock.

astrofool · 23-03-2021 09:44PM

Melanchthon wrote: »

It's likely to do with this

https://nos.nl/artikel/2368414-deel-in-nederland-geproduceerde-vaccins-naar-vk-door-britse-afspraken.html

You'l need to translate though.

Also now I could be wrong here but didnt the way the EU contract refer to plants in Belgium and Germany?

Anyway stealing this comment from Reddit.

The EU contract specifically mentioned the Halix plant, which is why a lot of people have suddenly gone quiet about how great the british vaccine manufacture was going now that it's turned out that a lot of their AZ supply also came from the EU. It seems to literally have just come down to the effective nationalization of AstraZeneca and exporting vaccines from the Netherlands on the quiet, that is now coming apart at the seams.

astrofool · 23-03-2021 10:02PM

One thing people need to remember is that we don't need multiple different vaccines, we actually need to ramp up production of vaccines as quickly as possible. The reason Sputnik wants to go for EU approval is so they can start manufacturing in the EU (which will take months to ramp up), and that capacity could be getting used to produce other vaccines anyway. Until EU manufacturing came online, the supply of Sputnik would be very low (basically supplies form outside the EU which can afford to be spared). It would likely be a very small % of the vaccine mix used in Europe, and would likely end up primarily supplying non-EU countries.

PCeeeee · 23-03-2021 10:03PM

Has anyone on here had Moderna so far? How did you find side effects?

Tenzor07 · 23-03-2021 10:04PM

A Very sad day when you see people who've completely lost faith in this Government and the shambolic vaccine rollout that they're so desperate to get the Vaccine they travel up North knowing the chances of getting the jab are little or none....

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0323/1205728-northern-ireland-vaccinations/

votecounts · 23-03-2021 10:05PM

https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1374464917550469123
thought this would have been an issue earlier

Ha Long Bay · 23-03-2021 10:18PM

Tenzor07 wrote: »

A Very sad day when you see people who've completely lost faith in this Government and the shambolic vaccine rollout that they're so desperate to get the Vaccine they travel up North knowing the chances of getting the jab are little or none....

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0323/1205728-northern-ireland-vaccinations/

What has been shambolic about the rollout here so far? All reports I have read here of people being vaccinated have been positive.

Lack of supply is not shambolic and using an article of people chancing their luck booking appointments in NI is not proof of anything apart from selfishness and stupidity.

Red Silurian · 23-03-2021 10:23PM

votecounts wrote: »

https://twitter.com/thejournal_ie/status/1374464917550469123
thought this would have been an issue earlier

Chances are that in a few weeks time we will be able to fly to America and buy a vaccine in a pharmacy

Danzy · 23-03-2021 10:27PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Chances are that in a few weeks time we will be able to fly to America and buy a vaccine in a pharmacy

That's probably true.

Stark · 23-03-2021 10:29PM

Are the US actually allowing people in from Europe?

Edit: looks not https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/from-other-countries.html

namloc1980 · 23-03-2021 10:29PM

Red Silurian wrote: »

Chances are that in a few weeks time we will be able to fly to America and buy a vaccine in a pharmacy

Zero chances of that.

Galwayguy35 · 23-03-2021 10:33PM

john4321 wrote: »

What has been shambolic about the rollout here so far? All reports I have read here of people being vaccinated have been positive.

Lack of supply is not shambolic and using an article of people chancing their luck booking appointments in NI is not proof of anything apart from selfishness and stupidity.

Lack of supply is shambolic.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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