COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

Micky 32 · 23-03-2021 11:47AM

Hmmzis wrote: »

4. At least in this mouse model the SA variant appears to be slightly less severe than the ancestral variant

A sign the newer strains are showing some sort of a weakening?

Hmmzis · 23-03-2021 11:49AM

Micky 32 wrote: »

A sign the newer strains are showing a weakening?

It's only for the SA variant and in a mouse model, so there are caveats there.

crossman47 · 23-03-2021 12:12PM

I'm sure this has been asked before but , when numbers of vaccinations are issued, does the total with a first dose refer to those who have only got a first dose or does it include those who have also got a second dose? Thanks.

23-03-2021 12:14PM

Deleted User wrote: »

We have the same re my father in Cohort 4. Hospital said it was Gp, Gp said it was the hospital that would do it. We just want him on a list. Because his diabetes is controlled he is not in cohort 4 for diabetes, but his bmi is over 40 so he should still be in it.

It is concerning that there is no official guidance on who, where or when. HSE live were useless.

Also I am not saying I want him done now or ahead of anyone else in cohort 4. I just want to know he is on someones list and wont be forgotten. I know high bmi is a touchy subject and people might not have as much sympathy for him as someone else in cohort 4 with another condition.

I also think the high bmi group will be less likely to speak up through embarrassment which is a shame.

I'm in exactly the same position - my diabetes clinic handed over routine check ups to my GP surgery two or three years ago so of course, I haven't had a diabetic check up since. So I'm unlikely to be on a hospital list, and GP says "no information". I did request a HBA1C blood test last week.

23-03-2021 12:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm in exactly the same position - my diabetes clinic handed over routine check ups to my GP surgery two or three years ago so of course, I haven't had a diabetic check up since. So I'm unlikely to be on a hospital list, and GP says "no information". I did request a HBA1C blood test last week.

It is causing so many people anxiety, so many people are asking for clarity on twitter but getting nowhere. They really need to sort it out. I understand supplies are an issue but they should still be able to tell people if they are in cohort 4 and the gps should be consulted about identifying those that are not attached to hospitals.

namloc1980 · 23-03-2021 01:11PM

Mid-May before the over 70s will be finished.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0323/1205563-vaccinations-ireland/

Are we still to believe that 80% of all adults will have a jab by the end of June?

namloc1980 · 23-03-2021 01:12PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I am also in group 4, my GP told me the same thing - they've been given no information or instructions on vaccinating this group.

Same here. In Group 4 and my GP hasn't heard a word from the HSE yet on what's happening.

stephenjmcd · 23-03-2021 01:13PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Mid-May before the over 70s will be finished.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0323/1205563-vaccinations-ireland/

Are we still to believe that 80% of all adults will have a jab by the end of June?

Mid May was always what was said for the over 70s cohort when they started with 85+, looks pretty much on track as well for 2 dose by then.

They aren't waiting for the over 70s to be done before moving through the cohorts, its a parallel rollout

JPup · 23-03-2021 01:14PM

crossman47 wrote: »

I'm sure this has been asked before but , when numbers of vaccinations are issued, does the total with a first dose refer to those who have only got a first dose or does it include those who have also got a second dose? Thanks.

It includes those who have gotten the second dose as well.

Wolf359f · 23-03-2021 01:15PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Mid-May before the over 70s will be finished.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0323/1205563-vaccinations-ireland/

Are we still to believe that 80% of all adults will have a jab by the end of June?

Finished with their second jab. You know they are doing multiple cohorts at once. The over 70 group done through the gp's is probably going to be the slowest group as they want to stick with mRNA. Once the gp's start on other cohorts, they can use any vaccine delivered to them, so I'd imagine it will pick up the pace to line up with increased deliveries.

Water John · 23-03-2021 01:19PM

Over 70s will have some immunity long before Mid May. That point n time should be the focus. Two weeks after the first shot is what I would think should be the important date for any cohort. After that is bonus territory.

Strazdas · 23-03-2021 01:21PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Mid-May before the over 70s will be finished.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0323/1205563-vaccinations-ireland/

Are we still to believe that 80% of all adults will have a jab by the end of June?

Very possible, yes. Apparently the plan by May / June is to administer 1m doses a month - that would be 2m doses in that eight week period.

namloc1980 · 23-03-2021 01:25PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Very possible, yes. Apparently the plan by May / June is to administer 1m doses a month - that would be 2m doses in that eight week period.

Plans are all well and dandy. We also planned to have 1.1m doses administered by the end of March. We're nowhere close to that.

ACitizenErased · 23-03-2021 01:40PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Plans are all well and dandy. We also planned to have 1.1m doses administered by the end of March. We're nowhere close to that.

No we didn't.

namloc1980 · 23-03-2021 01:41PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

No we didn't.

Sorry you're right, it was 1.25 million.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-government-likely-to-miss-target-of-issuing-1-25m-vaccines-by-end-of-march-1.4502674%3fmode=amp

ek motor · 23-03-2021 01:42PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Mid-May before the over 70s will be finished.

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0323/1205563-vaccinations-ireland/

Are we still to believe that 80% of all adults will have a jab by the end of June?

Not a hope, unless you're incredibly naive

ACitizenErased · 23-03-2021 01:42PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Sorry you're right, it was 1.25 million.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/covid-19-government-likely-to-miss-target-of-issuing-1-25m-vaccines-by-end-of-march-1.4502674%3fmode=amp

It's been fairly well explained by the HSE that that was deliveries, not doses issued.

ek motor · 23-03-2021 01:43PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

No we didn't.

Even higher than that , and it's been consistently revised down.

namloc1980 · 23-03-2021 01:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It's been fairly well explained by the HSE that that was deliveries, not doses issued.

So the plan wasn't met. But anyone who questions the viability of the plan to have 80% of all adults have at least one shot by the end of June is immediately shot down.

MerlinSouthDub · 23-03-2021 01:52PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

So the plan wasn't met. But anyone who questions the viability of the plan to have 80% of all adults have at least one shot by the end of June is immediately shot down.

The target will be met if the vaccine deliveries happen on schedule. We don't control the vaccine deliveries schedule but our record at getting "shots in the arm" when we have supplies is very good.

ek motor · 23-03-2021 01:55PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The target will be met if the vaccine deliveries happen on schedule. We don't control the vaccine deliveries schedule but our record at getting "shots in the arm" when we have supplies is very good.

Do you believe the vaccines will arrive on schedule? I do not.

namloc1980 · 23-03-2021 01:57PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

The target will be met if the vaccine deliveries happen on schedule. We don't control the vaccine deliveries schedule but our record at getting "shots in the arm" when we have supplies is very good.

Most important word in bold.

MerlinSouthDub · 23-03-2021 02:01PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Most important word in bold.

Yes, and there is literally zero point in worrying about that. It is outside our control, and outside the Irish Government's control. We can get worked up about it, if we like, but it's just a waste of energy.

Personally, I feel confident in deliveries in Q2, particularly from Pfizer and Moderna.

funnydoggy · 23-03-2021 02:02PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Yes, and there is literally zero point in worrying about that. It is outside our control, and outside the Irish Government's control. We can get worked up about it, if we like, but it's just a waste of energy.

Personally, I feel confident in deliveries in Q2, particularly from Pfizer and Moderna.

Yup, but oh but you just know people will blame our government if any hiccup happens.

ek motor · 23-03-2021 02:05PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Yes, and there is literally zero point in worrying about that. It is outside our control, and outside the Irish Government's control. We can get worked up about it, if we like, but it's just a waste of energy.

Personally, I feel confident in deliveries in Q2, particularly from Pfizer and Moderna.

It could be construed that you are setting people up for disappointment.

ACitizenErased · 23-03-2021 02:16PM

ek motor wrote: »

It could be construed that you are setting people up for disappointment.

It’s called being realistic

trellheim · 23-03-2021 02:27PM

It could be construed that you are setting people up for disappointment.

You are missing the load of posts we did where we discussed the most likely delivery to Ireland. At the moment it looks like 1 million will be made. and that squares with Paul Reid's comments a few weeks ago. Delivery Stats for last week will be published tomorrow ( I hope) and that should provide some confirmation.

However we will be straight into EU council after that where export bans will be discussed, so a frothy enough week.

23-03-2021 02:30PM

ek motor wrote: »

It could be construed that you are setting people up for disappointment.

I'd rather set myself up for disappointment at times than be like people on here who seem to have a mindset of always assuming the worst so they can never be let down. That constant negativity cannot be worth it. It also doesn't make you more intelligent than anyone else.

namloc1980 · 23-03-2021 02:30PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

It’s called being realistic

Being realistic wouldn't be saying 80% of all adults will be vaccinated with at least 1 shot by the end of June when you know that your supply is ropey at best.

namloc1980 · 23-03-2021 02:33PM

AdamD wrote: »

I'd rather set myself up for disappointment at times than be like people on here who seem to have a mindset of always assuming the worst so they can never be let down. That constant negativity cannot be worth it. It also doesn't make you more intelligent than anyone else.

Living in a fantasy that we'll be 80% vaccinated by the end of June doesn't make you clever or more intelligent than anyone else either.

COVID-19: Vaccine and testing procedures Megathread Part 3 - Read OP

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