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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #9152
    billyhead
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,079 ✭✭✭✭billyhead


    DSN wrote: »
    75-79s are being done since last week in the two surgeries local to me. My mum 75 lots of her cohorts in age group done she on list for next batch fings crossed this week or next so I would chase this.

    What County is your Mum in? It's very inconsistent. My Mum is in the 75-80 cohort and hasn't heard a dickybird. Also is a letter or a text they use to notify people of their appointment date and time?


  • #9153
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah except track and trace didn't break down in September and we got a massive increase in 'family outbreaks' during september.

    that would be the schools then :)


  • #9154
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Its crazy . Schools aren't an issue to some people . Its people visiting each others homes and sitting in close proximity to them indoors

    Just think about that one.

    Ye because there is ZERO control in each others homes. No distancing, time limits, alcohol can be involved too etc.

    Nothing wrong with this in my opinion and I think peple should risk asess but I cannot see how people still are banging this drum that equates schools and general indoor visits.

    Schools in the main at least try have some control with sanitisation, pods, distancing, masks for parents etc.


  • #9155
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭prunudo


    mloc123 wrote: »
    Obviously there are only schools in Dublin, Meath, Longford and Donegal... Clare, Cork and Kerry must not have a single school

    Surely its chicken and egg situation though, if cases are higher in the community, in households etc it stands to reason that cases will rise in schools as the children from these households start mixing in confined spaces.
    I don't have a problem with the schools goimg back but it needs to be accepted that it will or could cause cases to rise. The idea that it doesn't is just a further example of the authorities treating us like idiots.


  • #9156
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,835 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    big syke wrote: »
    Ye because there is ZERO control in each others homes. No distancing, time limits, alcohol can be involved too etc.

    Nothing wrong with this in my opinion and I think peple should risk asess but I cannot see how people still are banging this drum that equates schools and general indoor visits.

    Schools in the main at least try have some control with sanitisation, pods, distancing, masks for parents etc.

    surely you're not insinuating that people aren't practicing social distancing in their own homes?

    how selfish can people be?

    don't they know there's a pandemic!?

    I think we need to consider shutting people's homes.


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  • #9157
    Akesh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 315 ✭✭Akesh


    big syke wrote: »
    Ye because there is ZERO control in each others homes. No distancing, time limits, alcohol can be involved too etc.

    Nothing wrong with this in my opinion and I think peple should risk asess but I cannot see how people still are banging this drum that equates schools and general indoor visits.

    Schools in the main at least try have some control with sanitisation, pods, distancing, masks for parents etc.

    The biggest issue with schools is that the HSE define who is a close contact and who isn't. This decision entirely relates to ensuring the school stays open. The HSE have told schools to turn off contact tracing apps while working.

    I agree with keeping schools open but lets at least have some transparency.


  • #9158
    Cluedo Monopoly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 12,005 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Benimar wrote: »
    Case numbers in 5-12 year olds are going up Jim, most other age groups are declining or are static.

    I think NPHET have done a good job in difficult circumstances, but this insistence that schools aren't leading to an increase in case numbers is rubbish. Ronan Glynn even suggested at one stage last night that the increase might be due to playdates! So, kids don't get it in schools from other kids, but do outside the school gates??

    I know schools would cause an increase and I sent my kids back, but I would be much happier if I knew that we were getting honest data about school cases so we can make our own judgements about current levels of risk to our kids.

    Kids are meeting up a lot more in the evenings and weekends too as the wearher improves. I can see that myself. They are meeting up when out for cycles and walks and it's hard to blame them. I also see them at football pitches and green areas playing a bit of sport. Is it true we are the only country not to have underage sport since January?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • #9159
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    that would be the schools then :)
    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    Its crazy . Schools aren't an issue to some people . Its people visiting each others homes and sitting in close proximity to them indoors

    Just think about that one.
    titan18 wrote: »
    I'd hazard a guess at this that the virus level in some counties is so low that schools reopening didn't really affect it. It might be a 2-3% increase over time but when you're posting 5 cases a day, that's not really an issue. When the virus level is higher, there's a higher likelihood that one child has contact with someone who has it and they spread it others in school.
    Benimar wrote: »
    Case numbers in 5-12 year olds are going up Jim, most other age groups are declining or are static.

    I think NPHET have done a good job in difficult circumstances, but this insistence that schools aren't leading to an increase in case numbers is rubbish. Ronan Glynn even suggested at one stage last night that the increase might be due to playdates! So, kids don't get it in schools from other kids, but do outside the school gates??

    I know schools would cause an increase and I sent my kids back, but I would be much happier if I knew that we were getting honest data about school cases so we can make our own judgements about current levels of risk to our kids.
    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    no they wont because its true and they want to keep them open -totally obvious kids are getting it at school and infecting parents who then spread it
    JTMan wrote: »
    Independent reports on where 10%+ of the cases are coming from ...

    I dont think the Government want you looking at the details.

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  • #9160
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Akesh wrote: »
    The biggest issue with schools is that the HSE define who is a close contact and who isn't. This decision entirely relates to ensuring the school stays open. The HSE have told schools to turn off contact tracing apps while working.

    I agree with keeping schools open but lets at least have some transparency.

    Absolutely 100% agree.

    If anyone in a class is positive the whole class and any contact in the school needs to be sent home and tested.


  • #9161
    noplacehere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 585 ✭✭✭noplacehere


    titan18 wrote: »
    I'd hazard a guess at this that the virus level in some counties is so low that schools reopening didn't really affect it. It might be a 2-3% increase over time but when you're posting 5 cases a day, that's not really an issue. When the virus level is higher, there's a higher likelihood that one child has contact with someone who has it and they spread it others in school.

    I think it’s certainly this. As my principal has been quoted this year saying ‘we are fine until we have an actual case in the building’. We have so far avoided that thankfully. But it just takes one parent or one asymptotic child to seed it in a class where they are unmasked.

    My current experience through two close friends is that track and trace isn’t quick enough either. One school, one creche. Both parents had their children pulled out and isolating at least 48hrs before they were eventually contacted to say the children were close contacts. Then in one house both children were close contacts but only one got the first test through the HSE, the other fell through the cracks. Then she tested positive on the second test and they don’t know if she was positive on the first because it wasn’t done. Messy. In the other household the parent/school didn’t tell the parents until given permission by public health which took five days from the child having been in school. Then it took another two and another positive (arranged by the parent not the HSE) for the rest of the class to be designated close contacts. That’s a solid week which is ridiculous


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  • #9162
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    Benimar wrote: »
    Case numbers in 5-12 year olds are going up Jim, most other age groups are declining or are static.

    Someone posted a graph yesterday showing that 5-12 year old were going up at the same rate as everyone else basically


  • #9163
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    lawred2 wrote: »
    surely you're not insinuating that people aren't practicing social distancing in their own homes?

    how selfish can people be?

    don't they know there's a pandemic!?

    I think we need to consider shutting people's homes.

    At least try add some value to the discussion


  • #9164
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    big syke wrote: »
    Ye because there is ZERO control in each others homes. No distancing, time limits, alcohol can be involved too etc.

    Nothing wrong with this in my opinion and I think peple should risk asess but I cannot see how people still are banging this drum that equates schools and general indoor visits.

    Schools in the main at least try have some control with sanitisation, pods, distancing, masks for parents etc.

    How do you know there is zero control in other people's homes ? Genuinely curious how you are so sure

    And how you are so sure that there is control in creches and primarily schools . When I know first hand it's impossible


  • #9165
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    prunudo wrote: »
    Surely its chicken and egg situation though, if cases are higher in the community, in households etc it stands to reason that cases will rise in schools as the children from these households start mixing in confined spaces.
    I don't have a problem with the schools goimg back but it needs to be accepted that it will or could cause cases to rise. The idea that it doesn't is just a further example of the authorities treating us like idiots.

    The problem is, people saying it is the ONLY cause of cases rising which is obviously not true. Cases are rising for multiple reasons.... lack of compliance, travel, workplace outbreaks etc.. etc..


  • #9166
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,385 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    mloc123 wrote: »
    The problem is, people saying it is the ONLY cause of cases rising which is obviously not true. Cases are rising for multiple reasons.... lack of compliance, travel, workplace outbreaks etc.. etc..

    Exactly. But I think those of us making this point do accept that up until now (though a little change in recent days) NPHET have gone out of their way to say schools were not a cause at all. But we all know why they did - fear of the inevitable response from teachers' unions (and this is not a dig at teachers at all who I just think are poorly represented in every sense by their unions).


  • #9167
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    How do you know there is zero control in other people's homes ? Genuinely curious how you are so sure

    And how you are so sure that there is control in creches and primarily schools . When I know first hand it's impossible

    There is no control in homes I have been to. But you are right the vast majority could have a lot of strict controls such as pods, social distance stickers and information etc in their homes. 100% plausible.

    Its not impossible. Its hard but not impossible. I work in a primary school as does my brother and our cirlce of friends - most in different schools. We have pods, sanitisation units before entering school, social distance information.

    Are you geniuinly equating a school to a person at home with, for example, 12 of their immediate family from 4 different homes?


  • #9168
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Rebelbrowser wrote: »
    Someone posted a graph yesterday showing that 5-12 year old were going up at the same rate as everyone else basically

    Yeah 5 - 14 were increasing over the past 2 weeks while other age groups falling.
    7 day average to remove day of week weirdness. Now other age groups all increasing. That data seems to lag another day behind the overall case number as the age group data when added is different to the daily case number but matches the previous day quite well. I added the 2016 census data to get an idea of the relative size of the proportion between the different age groups as they are not equal bins. 1-4 age group is the highest based on that. Could be those creche outbreaks also I don't have 2021 data on the population so could be off.

    547836.png



    Also that age group didn't correlate with the others. Shown in the second chart below. The purple shows that the trend in that cohort is different to the others over the past 30 days (7 day average). Increasing from a low base. Basically how's the others tracked quite well i.e all decreasing.

    547837.png


  • #9169
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    big syke wrote: »
    There is no control in homes I have been to. But you are right the vast majority could have a lot of strict controls such as pods, social distance stickers and information etc in their homes. 100% plausible.

    Its not impossible. Its hard but not impossible. I work in a primary school as does my brother and our cirlce of friends - most in different schools. We have pods, sanitisation units before entering school, social distance information.

    Are you geniuinly equating a school to a person at home with, for example, 12 of their immediate family from 4 different homes?

    So you are actually admitting you are part of the problem


  • #9170
    big syke
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 903 ✭✭✭big syke


    Sweet.Science wrote: »
    So you are actually admitting you are part of the problem

    Sorry?


  • #9171
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    big syke wrote: »
    Sorry?

    You have visited homes that have no control.


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  • #9172
    eeepaulo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,463 ✭✭✭eeepaulo


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Yeah 5 - 14 were increasing over the past 2 weeks while other age groups falling.
    7 day average to remove day of week weirdness. Now other age groups all increasing. That data seems to lag another day behind the overall case number as the age group data when added is different to the daily case number but matches the previous day quite well. I added the 2016 census data to get an idea of the relative size of the proportion between the different age groups as they are not equal bins. 1-4 age group is the highest based on that. Could be those creche outbreaks also I don't have 2021 data on the population so could be off.

    Also that age group didn't correlate with the others. Shown in the second chart below. The purple shows that the trend in that cohort is different to the others over the past 30 days (7 day average). Increasing from a low base. Basically how's the others tracked quite well i.e all decreasing.

    Do those figures take into account the size of the cohort? Are they just cases as a % of overall population?

    I would be really interested to see how many actual tests are being performed in each cohort and the % positive test, i had a look through the stats, couldnt find anything for those though


  • #9173
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    prunudo wrote: »
    Ah right, I misunderstood this part of the testing process, thank you for clearing up.

    No problem.

    A few posters and journalists made a big deal out of it last September when it was discovered we did did the test with high cycles.

    It was asked in one of the NPHET briefings around then and De Gasgun explained it well.


  • #9174
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,238 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Already talk of teachers unions watching the numbers and they are worried on Newstalk.

    I have a feeling where this is going.


  • #9175
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    eeepaulo wrote: »
    Do those figures take into account the size of the cohort? Are they just cases as a % of overall population?

    I would be really interested to see how many actual tests are being performed in each cohort and the % positive test, i had a look through the stats, couldnt find anything for those though

    Yest they are 7 day average cases per 100K for each of the groups based off 2016 census figures . So say for the 15-24 age group the pop in 2016 was 576 000. So if the figure is 10 in the chart on the y axis. That just means there was roughly 50 cases per day in that group over a 7 day period. They don't provide the testing break down.

    It allows for relative comparison between age groups. Not sure how much the pop has changed since then but it removes the affect of 1-4 being much smaller (5 year bracket) compared to the others (10 year bracket) Also the 65+ is much larger etc.


  • #9176
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Jinglejangle69 wrote: »
    Already talk of teachers unions watching the numbers and they are worried on Newstalk.

    I have a feeling where this is going.

    Hold out until Easter and then LC only I'd think.


  • #9177
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭prunudo


    mloc123 wrote: »
    The problem is, people saying it is the ONLY cause of cases rising which is obviously not true. Cases are rising for multiple reasons.... lack of compliance, travel, workplace outbreaks etc.. etc..

    To be fair I haven't seen many saying its only schools, ss you say spread is happening everywhere but unfortunately its inevitable when you ease restrictions especially when its a more contagious variant and numbers are still high enough compared to last May.


  • #9178
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,411 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    titan18 wrote: »
    I'd hazard a guess at this that the virus level in some counties is so low that schools reopening didn't really affect it. It might be a 2-3% increase over time but when you're posting 5 cases a day, that's not really an issue. When the virus level is higher, there's a higher likelihood that one child has contact with someone who has it and they spread it others in school.

    I'd guess that's wrong, as my county was consistently high for 14 day/100k for a couple of months and has dropped well down since schools went back .


  • #9179
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,519 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    Sunday &Monday swabs finally published

    https://twitter.com/COVID19DataIE/status/1374320297751539717?s=20


  • #9180
    IrishStuff09
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 815 ✭✭✭IrishStuff09


    Swabs are back!

    Links removed, Stephen beat me to it :P


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  • #9181
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,630 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    The swab data is working again

    Sunday: 611 swabs , 4.11% + rate
    Monday: 506 swabs, 3.98% + rate

    Better than I had feared.

    Edit: Stephen got in before me.


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