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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #9122
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    My mother is over 80 now. Still no jab. Not being done in her local GP. They said she should hear in next couple of weeks. Higgins is not 80 yet, so it shouldn't be "his turn" yet!


    Maybe they both have underlying conditions?

    You'd be hard pushed to find anywhere online in Ireland begrudging a 79 year old President a vaccine

    Yet, here it is on Boards


  • #9123
    ShineOn7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,550 ✭✭✭ShineOn7


    Republic of Ireland is third lowest for Covid hospitalisations out of 18 countries reviewed


    On first glance it looks like the other 17 countries are all EU

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/covid-19-state-third-lowest-for-hospitalisations-out-of-18-countries-reviewed-1.4516921?mode=amp


  • #9124
    Golfwidow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 244 ✭✭Golfwidow


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    My mother is over 80 now. Still no jab. Not being done in her local GP. They said she should hear in next couple of weeks. Higgins is not 80 yet, so it shouldn't be "his turn" yet!
    I have to say that this also concerns me. My parents are both older than our president and both have very serious underlying conditions - including cancer. They still haven’t been contacted by their GP regards the vaccine. My mother has rang to be told she will hear in a few weeks. What’s going on?


  • #9125
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    gozunda wrote: »
    Not particularly. To take an example all such gatherings are banned in the UK atm for the reason they are believed to carry the risk of infection. But afaik not so much from being outside rather people using shared facilities and the issue of large crowds not being able to observe social distancing.

    That said the bigger issue imo is that people meeting up outside is not going to change the behaviour of those already breaking the restrictions in meeting up in groups inside.

    When was there 100000 people on Bournemouth beach btw?

    The Ireland France Rugby match had significant isolation and controls for all those involved. Not comparable to a bunch of people meeting up for the crack.

    Last June, it was actually 1/2 million people:eek:

    A major incident was declared on Thursday after up to half a million people flocked to the sandy Dorset beaches.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/19/how-the-beach-super-spreader-myth-can-inform-uks-future-covid-response


  • #9126
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    Maybe they both have underlying conditions?

    You'd be hard pushed to find anywhere online in Ireland begrudging a 79 year old President a vaccine

    Yet, here it is on Boards

    Ahh give over. It says they "waited their turn". So I'm referrring to the fact that the Govt. website says over 80's will be vaccinated before 75-79. They were vaccinated before people over 80.

    Relax a tad before accusing me of begrudging the president a vaccine, only making a point.

    Golfwidow wrote: »
    I have to say that this also concerns me. My parents are both older than our president and both have very serious underlying conditions - including cancer. They still haven’t been contacted by their GP regards the vaccine. My mother has rang to be told she will hear in a few weeks. What’s going on?


    That is concerning indeed, and you should ring their GP and find out!


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  • #9127
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    15-20% of all Irish Covid cases are hospital acquired? As in, the person didn't have it before they went in?

    How recent are those figures/which Wave is it talking about?

    I'd love a link to read more on what you found, as there's so much mixed information out there on this side of things


    Not quite.

    A "third of patients with Covid-19 in hospital contracted the virus"* whilst in hospital.

    So not of all Irish Covid cases.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/third-contracting-covid-in-hospital-varadkar-5331491-Jan2021/


  • #9128
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    ShineOn7 wrote: »
    15-20% of all Irish Covid cases are hospital acquired? As in, the person didn't have it before they went in?

    How recent are those figures/which Wave is it talking about?

    I'd love a link to read more on what you found, as there's so much mixed information out there on this side of things

    A third of hospitalisations during a period in January were people who went into hospital for something else and ended up catching covid while in there.

    They were still counted as covid hospitalisations though, even if that wasn't their primary reason for being there.

    At the same time 2000 frontline healthcare workers were also infected, this was during the first 2 weeks of January


  • #9129
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,992 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    covidrelease wrote: »
    Last June, it was actually 1/2 million people:eek:

    A major incident was declared on Thursday after up to half a million people flocked to the sandy Dorset beaches.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/19/how-the-beach-super-spreader-myth-can-inform-uks-future-covid-response

    From that I wonder why the UK government decided to go with restrictions on large groups outdoors - considering that Professor Mark Woolhouse (who undertook that study) sits on the government’s SPI-M committee?

    Again I don't think anyone is arguing that its outside itself which is the issue rather the propensity for people to use shared facilities such as toilets, public transport etc.

    The other issue is that the situation has changed with regard to the virus itself- with authorities in the UK suggesting the UK variant is up to 70% more transmissible.

    Interestingly Professor Mark Woolhouse also believes that schools don't contribute to a surge in Covid cases.

    https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/uk-news/no-surge-covid-19-cases-19859031


  • #9130
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,411 ✭✭✭h2005


    Golfwidow wrote: »
    I have to say that this also concerns me. My parents are both older than our president and both have very serious underlying conditions - including cancer. They still haven’t been contacted by their GP regards the vaccine. My mother has rang to be told she will hear in a few weeks. What’s going on?

    Ring your GP. My parents are the same age as the president and got theirs last week.


  • #9131
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,301 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    My mother is 76 and was talking to her GP about something else last week. At the end of the conversation the GP said she could arrange an appointment to come in after Easter to get her first jab in the Surgery, or go to a mass vax centre a few days earlier if she so wished, but it wouldn't make any difference overall.

    All people in the 75 to 80 cohort need to make the effort to ensure an appointment, just to be sure they aren't missed out for any administrative reason, in what is a massive undertaking.


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  • #9132
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Looking at the most recent outbreak report (up to the 16th of march) there's been a marked increase in the number of 'family outbreaks'.
    • What's also interesting is that there were a reduction in family outbreaks between week 9 and 10. 256 vs 205 which is a 25% decrease week on week
    • While the number of school outbreaks has increased 0 to 10 week on week for the same period.

    Looks like the number of family outbreaks is inversely proportional to the number of school outbreaks. Also the number of outbreaks doesn't seem to be linked to the number of cases. Likely due to contact tracing falling over when cases got out of hand. A bit weird for the most recent period where we saw a decline in cases but increase in outbreaks.

    I wonder if the classification for outbreaks has changed or do they go back further to find the source. Hopefully will be more clear when next report comes out. We might get to understand what's driving the stagnation / increase.


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  • #9133
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭prunudo


    I know this was covered in the past but I seem to remember that it was possible for the covid test that we use to detect the virus from up to 60ish days ago.
    Is it therefore possible that with a rise in close contacts from actual current cases that we are picking up cases from people who had it in late Jan, early Feb but have since recovered.
    Might also be another reason for the rise in current numbers.


  • #9134
    Locotastic
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Locotastic


    prunudo wrote: »
    I know this was covered in the past but I seem to remember that it was possible for the covid test that we use to detect the virus from up to 60ish days ago.
    Is it therefore possible that with a rise in close contacts from actual current cases that we are picking up cases from people who had it in late Jan, early Feb but have since recovered.
    Might also be another reason for the rise in current numbers.

    It's possible, the cycle threshold we use here is higher than what is generally recommended and there is a possibility of picking up dead viral fragments when doing that.


  • #9135
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Locotastic wrote: »
    It's possible, the cycle threshold we use here is higher than what is generally recommended and there is a possibility of picking up dead viral fragments when doing that.

    Thats what I was thinking, obviously it wouldn't explain all current cases but might account for part of the reason the increase.


  • #9136
    DSN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 288 ✭✭DSN


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    My mother is over 80 now. Still no jab. Not being done in her local GP. They said she should hear in next couple of weeks. Higgins is not 80 yet, so it shouldn't be "his turn" yet!

    75-79s are being done since last week in the two surgeries local to me. My mum 75 lots of her cohorts in age group done she on list for next batch fings crossed this week or next so I would chase this.


  • #9137
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Locotastic wrote: »
    It's possible, the cycle threshold we use here is higher than what is generally recommended and there is a possibility of picking up dead viral fragments when doing that.

    Except we don't use positives detected on a high cycle threshold as positives. We call them marginal positives we don't include in case numbers and we refer them back for retesting.


  • #9138
    prunudo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,298 ✭✭✭prunudo


    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    Except we don't use positives detected on a high cycle threshold as positives. We call them marginal positives we don't include in case numbers and we refer them back for retesting.

    Ah right, I misunderstood this part of the testing process, thank you for clearing up.


  • #9139
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    My mother is over 80 now. Still no jab. Not being done in her local GP. They said she should hear in next couple of weeks. Higgins is not 80 yet, so it shouldn't be "his turn" yet!

    My Mother is 81 , Riddled with arthritis where she unable to walk more then a few meters without assistance and also on the highest blood pressure tablets you can get.

    no sign of getting vaccinated yet and her doctor has no info yet.

    In Kildare.


  • #9140
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,634 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Looking at the most recent outbreak report (up to the 16th of march) there's been a marked increase in the number of 'family outbreaks'.
    • What's also interesting is that there were a reduction in family outbreaks between week 9 and 10. 256 vs 205 which is a 25% decrease week on week
    • While the number of school outbreaks has increased 0 to 10 week on week for the same period.

    Looks like the number of family outbreaks is inversely proportional to the number of school outbreaks. Also the number of outbreaks doesn't seem to be linked to the number of cases. Likely due to contact tracing falling over when cases got out of hand. A bit weird for the most recent period where we saw a decline in cases but increase in outbreaks.

    I wonder if the classification for outbreaks has changed or do they go back further to find the source. Hopefully will be more clear when next report comes out. We might get to understand what's driving the stagnation / increase.


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    *Public Health are prioritising the reporting of outbreaks in key settings e.g. RCFs, hospitals. Therefore, the number of private house outbreaks is underestimated.
    It was flagged at a press conference weeks ago that they expect the number of household cluster will increase over the coming weeks as they catch up with them.


  • #9141
    gctest50
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭gctest50


    They have all the bases covered in the f*****wittery stakes :

    http://www.nphet.ie


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  • #9142
    JTMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,581 ✭✭✭JTMan


    Independent reports on where 10%+ of the cases are coming from ...
    primary school children who are testing positive for 50 to 60 cases of the virus a day


  • #9143
    Derek Zoolander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Derek Zoolander


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Looking at the most recent outbreak report (up to the 16th of march) there's been a marked increase in the number of 'family outbreaks'.
    • What's also interesting is that there were a reduction in family outbreaks between week 9 and 10. 256 vs 205 which is a 25% decrease week on week
    • While the number of school outbreaks has increased 0 to 10 week on week for the same period.

    Looks like the number of family outbreaks is inversely proportional to the number of school outbreaks. Also the number of outbreaks doesn't seem to be linked to the number of cases. Likely due to contact tracing falling over when cases got out of hand. A bit weird for the most recent period where we saw a decline in cases but increase in outbreaks.

    I wonder if the classification for outbreaks has changed or do they go back further to find the source. Hopefully will be more clear when next report comes out. We might get to understand what's driving the stagnation / increase.


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    Surely all that shows is when our testing / track and trace breaks down...

    anytime the general outbreaks approach the family ones is a sign that they stopped testing or were overcapacity in terms of testing...

    it goes to show how bad our system is when we have 2 segments...


  • #9144
    podgeandrodge
    Site Banned Posts: 5,975 ✭✭✭podgeandrodge


    JTMan wrote: »
    Independent reports on where 10%+ of the cases are coming from ...

    Can they align household cases with households with school going children to see if it is significant?


  • #9145
    Morries Wigs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 199 ✭✭Morries Wigs


    podgeandrodge wrote: »
    Can they align household cases with households with school going children to see if it is significant?

    no they wont because its true and they want to keep them open -totally obvious kids are getting it at school and infecting parents who then spread it


  • #9146
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,411 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Morries Wigs wrote: »
    no they wont because its true and they want to keep them open -totally obvious kids are getting it at school and infecting parents who then spread it

    Why is that only happening in four or five counties then? Surely if schools were a factor of note it would be visible across all counties.


  • #9147
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Derek Zoolander wrote: »
    Surely all that shows is when our testing / track and trace breaks down...

    anytime the general outbreaks approach the family ones is a sign that they stopped testing or were overcapacity in terms of testing...

    it goes to show how bad our system is when we have 2 segments...

    Yeah except track and trace didn't break down in September and we got a massive increase in 'family outbreaks' during september.


  • #9148
    mloc123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,445 ✭✭✭mloc123


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Why is that only happening in four or five counties then? Surely if schools were a factor of note it would be visible across all counties.

    Obviously there are only schools in Dublin, Meath, Longford and Donegal... Clare, Cork and Kerry must not have a single school


  • #9149
    Benimar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,794 ✭✭✭Benimar


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Why is that only happening in four or five counties then? Surely if schools were a factor of note it would be visible across all counties.

    Case numbers in 5-12 year olds are going up Jim, most other age groups are declining or are static.

    I think NPHET have done a good job in difficult circumstances, but this insistence that schools aren't leading to an increase in case numbers is rubbish. Ronan Glynn even suggested at one stage last night that the increase might be due to playdates! So, kids don't get it in schools from other kids, but do outside the school gates??

    I know schools would cause an increase and I sent my kids back, but I would be much happier if I knew that we were getting honest data about school cases so we can make our own judgements about current levels of risk to our kids.


  • #9150
    titan18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,065 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Why is that only happening in four or five counties then? Surely if schools were a factor of note it would be visible across all counties.

    I'd hazard a guess at this that the virus level in some counties is so low that schools reopening didn't really affect it. It might be a 2-3% increase over time but when you're posting 5 cases a day, that's not really an issue. When the virus level is higher, there's a higher likelihood that one child has contact with someone who has it and they spread it others in school.


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  • #9151
    Sweet.Science
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,177 ✭✭✭Sweet.Science


    Its crazy . Schools aren't an issue to some people . Its people visiting each others homes and sitting in close proximity to them indoors

    Just think about that one.


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