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Covid 19 Part XXXIII-231,484 ROI(4,610 deaths)116,197 NI (2,107 deaths)(23/03)Read OP

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  • #8852
    Icyseanfitz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,539 ✭✭✭Icyseanfitz


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    From MM



    :D

    His track record so far would leave one doubting that :D


  • #8853
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    Nermal wrote: »
    If people choose to 'take the piss', who exactly are you to tell them not to do so?

    Before you tell me you're in the majority: of course people support restrictions in surveys, polls and in the news. Ask someone their opinion, and they'll tell you what they think they're supposed to say.

    Actions, not words, reveal true preferences. Lift the restrictions, and we'll see who's really in the majority.

    So what you're saying is if we lift restrictions, people will go on a mad one? I agree. That's why we can't lift them to any significant degree at the moment.


  • #8854
    Parachutes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 971 ✭✭✭Parachutes


    The amount of cognitive dissonance regarding social distancing is just mad. Let’s put plastic over the card machine but not change the plastic for days? Loads of other examples like this.


  • #8855
    Tyrone212
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭Tyrone212


    One thing about NI is that they hardly test. For months their positivity rate was above 20%.

    Today is there lowest amount of cases in 6 months with 87 however its 87 from 1,010 tests. Positivity still almost 9% which is deemed very high by any international metric.


  • #8856
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    So what you're saying is if we lift restrictions, people will go on a mad one? I agree. That's why we can't lift them to any significant degree at the moment.

    If the Government inspired an ounce of hope, then people might not feel the need to go on a mad one. Again, the lack of any basic understanding of human psychology here is baffling. I'm half-convinced there are other species' contributing to this thread.


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  • #8857
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    batman_oh wrote: »
    Surely it's because the people here just can't follow the rules. It's a simple request to follow the longest set of restrictions/business closures in the western world by far :pac:
    Those jammy feckers up there haven't even been forced to stay within 5km with checkpoints handing out fines like we have here. And now they are going to be out of it miles ahead of us. It's a far cry from the narrative a few months back where the North was a laughing stock for some

    Heard people in Italy are restricted to 200 meters travel.

    Imagine that :eek:


  • #8858
    ArthurDayne
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,017 ✭✭✭ArthurDayne


    Deleted User wrote: »


    Not at all.

    NI is still in a lockdown.

    There schools only went back last week whilst ours went back 3 weeks ago.

    Come back to me in 2 weeks with the NI figures.

    The North has now reached the 50+ age group in its first dose vaccination programme. Of the 9,113 people admitted to hospital with Covid there, 7,613 have been over the age of 50 (so around 83%). So right now, they are quite efficiently hammering the vaccine into the group which accounts for 83% of all their Covid hospitalisations. In that regard, the absolutely inevitable rise in case numbers that will come from schools going back will not be the key figure — it will be hospitalisations.

    We need to move away from the case number narrative because it is being used as a tool to lambast the Irish people, of whom very little more can be asked. We must look at hospitalisations because hospitalisations are the key indication of the success of the vaccination programme — or indeed its failures — and that way we can hold the Irish government and the supranational EU administration responsible for these failures instead of letting them tap the case numbers chart and tell us to blame eachother.


  • #8859
    SheepsClothing
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 351 ✭✭SheepsClothing


    11521323 wrote: »
    If the Government inspired an ounce of hope, then people might not feel the need to go on a mad one. Again, the lack of any basic understanding of human psychology here is baffling. I'm half-convinced there are other species' contributing to this thread.

    I think Government communications have been terrible, but until we reach a tipping point at which vaccination impact is killing the virus' ability to spread, we need to keep some restrictions in place. Things are ****e at the moment, but by the start of July we will be most of the way out of this. Every house party in the meantime just delays the lifting of restrictions for everyone.


  • #8860
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    SheepsClothing wrote: »
    I think Government communications have been terrible, but until we reach a tipping point at which vaccination impact is killing the virus' ability to spread, we need to keep some restrictions in place. Things are ****e at the moment, but by the start of July we will be most of the way out of this. Every house party in the meantime just delays the lifting of restrictions for everyone.

    Here's an analogy or two that might hammer home why this line of thinking doesn't work in the reality we're faced with.

    People will listen to a dietitian when they put them on a diet for a specific period because they know they'll lose weight and despite it being unenjoyable, it's a finite experience. They know it will end and so are willing to put effort in for a given period. If the dietitian told them they may still be fat at the end of the diet and that they had no idea how long it would take for them to lose weight, do you think the adherence to a diet will be the same? Absolutely not.

    Another analogy is students studying for exams. It's finite with an end-date. If students were told their exam is sometime in the future but without any indication when, are they going to study as hard? Absolutely not.

    These are very easy pieces of psychology to understand but you and others on here seem to demonstrate a prepubescent understanding of it.


  • #8861
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    MrMusician18 wrote: »
    It is in everyone's interest for the piss not to be taken. We wouldn't be where we are if people did as they were asked. Seemingly that was too much.

    I'd like to be able to travel, go to pubs and restaurants and most of all I'd like to be with my wife when she attends hospital, but no, that can't happen because too many people do as they please.

    I have to say, since day one, bad as they can be, I've never blamed one other person for the restrictions, nobody.. you'll be in your house not accompanying you're wife for a long time if you think this will be over soon. We have no idea what a person is dealing with at home, We have no idea what a trip to St Annes for example , will do for them. This, it's all their fault for not getting in line, will only serve to freak you out. It's not their fault, I mean did you know if a teenager drives a car, he/she stands a 400% chance of being in a crash, if there's another teen in the car with him. Teenagers are more attracted to and affected by alcohol, Teenager's and indeed young people into their mid 20's are actually drawn to risk by nature and their brains are not wired fully until 28-ish!
    So tell me, if that's the Nature of one Demographic...how do you or anyone in Bristol (youngsters rioting the weekend) for example intend to undo all of natures hard work...

    you should go with your wife..I hope she's ok on a personal note.


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  • #8862
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    11521323 wrote: »
    If the Government inspired an ounce of hope, then people might not feel the need to go on a mad one. Again, the lack of any basic understanding of human psychology here is baffling. I'm half-convinced there are other species' contributing to this thread.

    Its not just people going on a mad one.

    A - Opening the schools

    B - Kids and teens mingling

    C - People meeting up indoors

    Its easiest to use C as the scapegoat


  • #8863
    MrMusician18
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,237 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    11521323 wrote: »
    Can I ask you a serious question?

    Do you expect the vast majority of human beings to adhere to restrictions perpetually and indefinitely, bearing in mind they have been for 12 months already?

    If your answer is yes, then you quite literally have no concept of human emotion and it just shows how uneducated you are in that arena. People cannot indefinitely put their life on hold for a virus that they perceive to be of absolutely no danger to them, to think they can shows a real misunderstanding of psychology.

    I'd ask them to adhere to them until the vaccines are administered in the community. I've said before, that the light will enter this particular tunnel in June.

    The lower cases are as we approach this point the sooner we can open things back up. We've come so far, it was hard to see it all squandered for Christmas. That day took 6 months from us.


  • #8864
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    Renault 5 wrote: »
    Its not just people going on a mad one.

    A - Opening the schools

    B - Kids and teens mingling

    C - People meeting up indoors

    Its easiest to use C as the scapegoat

    The Government are actively lying to us by saying A & B aren't the problem so everyone has to assume it's C but I would agree with you.


  • #8865
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    The most bizarre restriction still in place I think is that you can't go and sit in a park on your own. I break this all the time, and I'm sure many others do. Once you break one restriction though, it becomes easier to start breaking more.

    Something as basic as this really should be allowed, if even just to let people think they're still following the rules.


  • #8866
    JPup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,029 ✭✭✭JPup


    What are you talking about? Parks are open. You can go in with members of your own household


  • #8867
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Amirani wrote: »
    The most bizarre restriction still in place I think is that you can't go and sit in a park on your own. I break this all the time, and I'm sure many others do. Once you break one restriction though, it becomes easier to start breaking more.

    Something as basic as this really should be allowed, if even just to let people think they're still following the rules.

    I agree 100%, I broke it too on Saturday and will always do it. Me and my dog and miles of park, I just don't see the danger.

    I'll get Lymes disease quicker!!


  • #8868
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    JPup wrote: »
    What are you talking about? Parks are open. You can go in with members of your own household

    yes but it it's 5km or more from your house..game over!


  • #8869
    11521323
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 304 ✭✭11521323


    JPup wrote: »
    What are you talking about? Parks are open. You can go in with members of your own household

    The only park near me is 5.1km away, I tried to go in yesterday and got shot with an electric surge by a drone guarding the entrance.


  • #8870
    greenheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭greenheep


    JPup wrote: »
    What are you talking about? Parks are open. You can go in with members of your own household

    Yeah but you are only supposed to be out for exercise. So sitting on a bench or a blanket in the park having a coffee is breaking the rules, as its not excercise


  • #8871
    mcburns07
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭mcburns07


    greenheep wrote: »
    Yeah but you are only supposed to be out for exercise. So sitting on a bench or a blanket in the park having a coffee is breaking the rules, as its not excercise

    Ah 2021 is just great isn't it :D


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  • #8872
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I saw a group of women from about 40 to 70 sitting in a park with flasks all in a circle chatting, using fold up chairs, all well distanced. I'd have hated to see them moved on and even more so, felt sorry for the Garda who felt compelled to move them..good for them..They looked like they were having a coffee morning for a friends birthday.


  • #8873
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,121 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    greenheep wrote: »
    Yeah but you are only supposed to be out for exercise. So sitting on a bench or a blanket in the park having a coffee is breaking the rules, as its not excercise

    No one has taken any notice of that rule for a very long time


  • #8874
    greenheep
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭greenheep


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No one has taken any notice of that rule for a very long time

    Yeah its true so they should just get rid of the rule and give some guidance on how to meet outdoor safely.


  • #8875
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    greenheep wrote: »
    Yeah but you are only supposed to be out for exercise. So sitting on a bench or a blanket in the park having a coffee is breaking the rules, as its not excercise
    Lifting a cup burns calories, as does tilting your head to look at life going by!


  • #8876
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Deleted User wrote: »
    No one has taken any notice of that rule for a very long time

    But that's the problem. Can we not have a set of rules that are effective against the spread of the virus but also liveable in ways that aren't a major risk to the virus e.g. All outside activity. At the moment people have to break rules just to make life a little more liveable and are being chastised for it by the government and NPHET. And then theres people who'll break some of the harmless rules will then stop following all the rules as that's just how some people act.


  • #8877
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,270 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    greenheep wrote: »
    Yeah its true so they should just get rid of the rule and give some guidance on how to meet outdoor safely.

    exactly, use you're own discretion, like this upstanding gent did back in the day..:D Never gets old....

    In 1994, Emmet Stagg, the TD for Kildare North and the current Labour Party chief whip came to Garda attention while loitering in his car, in an area of the Phoenix Park used by male prostitutes. Stagg, a Minister of State in the Fianna Fáil and Labour coalition government at the time openly admitted his conduct had been ‘undoubtedly indiscreet’ but not illegal. He said while he was aware the man was gay, he was unaware – and had no evidence to suggest that he was a male prostitute.


  • #8878
    Renault 5
    Closed Accounts Posts: 171 ✭✭Renault 5


    11521323 wrote: »
    The Government are actively lying to us by saying A & B aren't the problem so everyone has to assume it's C but I would agree with you.

    Nothing to see here - Move along now

    Two crèches have been hit with Covid-19 outbreaks, one affecting 12 children and eight staff, it was confirmed today.

    The crèche with the largest outbreak, located in Tullamore in Co Offaly, is working with HSE public health staff who are investigating the spread.

    Separately, another crèche in north Dublin is dealing with several cases of the virus.


  • #8879
    covidrelease
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 229 ✭✭covidrelease


    Klonker wrote: »


    But that's the problem. Can we not have a set of rules that are effective against the spread of the virus but also liveable in ways that aren't a major risk to the virus e.g. All outside activity. At the moment people have to break rules just to make life a little more liveable and are being chastised for it by the government and NPHET. And then theres people who'll break some of the harmless rules will then stop following all the rules as that's just how some people act.

    And a lot of these rules were brought in when cases were ~8000 a day and people adhered to them, by and large.

    But instead of relaxing them in a practical way the government have pissed everybody off by pushing it too far.


  • #8880
    boardise
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,718 ✭✭✭boardise


    11521323 wrote: »
    Here's an analogy or two that might hammer home why this line of thinking doesn't work in the reality we're faced with.

    People will listen to a dietitian when they put them on a diet for a specific period because they know they'll lose weight and despite it being unenjoyable, it's a finite experience. They know it will end and so are willing to put effort in for a given period. If the dietitian told them they may still be fat at the end of the diet and that they had no idea how long it would take for them to lose weight, do you think the adherence to a diet will be the same? Absolutely not.

    Another analogy is students studying for exams. It's finite with an end-date. If students were told their exam is sometime in the future but without any indication when, are they going to study as hard? Absolutely not.

    These are very easy pieces of psychology to understand but you and others

    on here seem to demonstrate a prepubescent understanding of it.

    There's another facet to this which needs to be factored in.
    If one forsakes a diet or a study programme -the consequences apply to that person alone.
    If one contravenes the virus restrictions -there can be consequences not only for the individual but for others as well -there's a crucial social dimension involved.


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  • #8881
    Amirani
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    JPup wrote: »
    What are you talking about? Parks are open. You can go in with members of your own household

    Only to exercise, not to sit around.

    As I said, most people break it. But once people start breaking 1 rule, it gets easier to break more. It should just be allowable to sit in a park, even if it's just with your own household or whatever.


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