All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

arccosh · 13-03-2021 8:02pm

pearcider wrote: »

I won’t take anything that got emergency use authorisation nor will I take anything for a disease that is not dangerous for a fit young person. Furthermore I expect my decision to be respected and not to be coerced into it whether by people like you or by businesses who will refuse me entry if I don’t have their “passport”.

Coerced? :pac::pac::pac: that gave me a laugh, it's nice to know my internet opinion holds that much weight it can do that

Will you be taking it when you're older and more vulnerable to it, or if you find an underlying illness?

Professor Moriarty · 13-03-2021 9:15pm

PintOfView wrote: »

So how many people do you think have died of Covid in Ireland?
How many do you think would have died if we hadn't locked down?

Do you care about other people in the community, or just yourself?

I think if you are on your computer in the attic of your parents' house 24/7, and they are leaving your food at the door while you defecate out the window, you probably don't need to be vaccinated and you don't represent a threat to others.

harrylittle · 13-03-2021 10:52pm

King Mob wrote: »

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7744276/

If you believe that this paper is unduly influenced by "Big Pharma" provide evidence for this.
If you've no evidence for that, then you can't claim it's true because of vague insinuations.

If you believe that the mRNA vaccine is not a vaccine, please show that it is not a vaccine or perhaps show some other source that refers to it as something other than a vaccine.

Also, could you maybe go back and address some of the other points eariler in the thread you've ignored and run away from.
But odd and a bit hypocritical for you to randomly butt back into the thread to demand proof of something so random and petty after running away like you did.

I read your source and its a fair reasonable analysis of the current vaccine setup...maybe the conclusions are a bit biased ..but overall a reliable source material.

that said ....the term vaccine has moved on from the traditional definition of vaccine ...to something far wider in scope.

the traditional vaccine as most people would understand it to be was

' Vaccination: Injection of a killed microbe in order to stimulate the immune system against the microbe, thereby preventing disease. Vaccinations, or immunizations, work by stimulating the immune system, the natural disease-fighting system of the body. The healthy immune system is able to recognize invading bacteria and viruses and produce substances (antibodies) to destroy or disable them. Immunizations prepare the immune system to ward off a disease. To immunize against viral diseases, the virus used in the vaccine has been weakened or killed. To only immunize against bacterial diseases, it is generally possible to use a small portion of the dead bacteria to stimulate the formation of antibodies against the whole bacteria. In addition to the initial immunization process, it has been found that the effectiveness of immunizations can be improved by periodic repeat injections or "boosters." '

but under your source the definition of vaccines covers a far wider umbrella of therapies;to quote :
companies and research institutions have raced to develop SARS-CoV-2 vaccines, ranging from conventional viral and protein-based vaccines to those that are more cutting edge, including DNA- and mRNA-based vaccines There are worldwide efforts to develop therapies and prophylactic vaccines against SARS-CoV-2. Therapeutics aim to shorten the hospitalization period and increase survival of infected patients, while prophylactic vaccines aim to generate protective immunity against SARS-CoV-2.

and here lies the problem they are given these products to billions of people much of which is experimental and new technology ...in my opinion .. frankenstein science taking extreme risk to peoples health

to quote :
mRNA vaccines are a newly emerging technology without an approved product on the market, mRNA could activate the innate immune system and potentially induce inflammation and toxicity,without a proper formulation is unstable and can be quickly degraded by ubiquitous RNases in vitro and in vivo, Compared with DNA-based vaccines, mRNA does not integrate into the host’s genome, thus minimizing the genotoxicity issue.

crazy in as little as 90 days they were trialing humans with the vaccines ..

As early as Jan 13, Moderna and NIH finalized the mRNA-1273 sequence encoding prefusion-stabilized spike protein of SARS-CoV-2 and moved toward clinical manufacturing, only 4 days after WHO announced an unknown pneumonia case found in Wuhan and 2 days after a Chinese team reported the genetic sequence of COVID-19. A short 88 days later, mRNA-1273 doses were administered to the first human clinical trials participants. This rapid pace is in stark contrast to the normal vaccine development process that takes years to reach clinical trials. Due to the speed at which mRNA vaccines progressed, there are now two ongoing Phase III clinical trials on mRNA vaccines from BioNTech and Moderna,

GT89 · 14-03-2021 12:12am

aido79 wrote: »

Who is under house arrest?

I'm gonna take a wild guess here but I'm fairly sure the course you've deferred from this year is not related to medicine?

The whole Irish population.

Let me remind it is illegal in Ireland to leave your house unless you avail of one of the exemptions.

King Mob · 14-03-2021 12:38am

harrylittle wrote: »

I read your source and its a fair reasonable analysis of the current vaccine setup...maybe the conclusions are a bit biased ..but overall a reliable source material.

that said ....the term vaccine has moved on from the traditional definition of vaccine ...to something far wider in scope.

the traditional vaccine as most people would understand it to be was

Cool. So provide a source that calls the mRNA vaccine something other than a vaccine.

Could you also maybe address the other questions in full?

Also, typically, when you're "to quoting" something, you should link to your source.
In my experience when you guys don't do this, it's because your source contains some parts you don't like and you're trying to hide them.

Fighting Tao · 14-03-2021 8:01am

GT89 wrote: »

The whole Irish population.

Let me remind it is illegal in Ireland to leave your house unless you avail of one of the exemptions.

Well that is complete BS. I can leave my house right now for no reason and it’s not illegal.

aido79 · 14-03-2021 9:45am

GT89 wrote: »

The whole Irish population.

Let me remind it is illegal in Ireland to leave your house unless you avail of one of the exemptions.

Of all the nonsense you have posted so far this is the most nonsensical....and that is quite an achievement.

Are you ready to discuss the topic of the thread yet?

Trigger · 14-03-2021 10:25am

Mod: Back on topic please, if you wish to discuss the various aspects of the Vaccine, you can do so in the Coronavirus forum. This has nothing to do with the topic on hand here.

runawaybishop · 18-03-2021 3:11pm

Quiner wrote: »

Or try a different approach. In Tanzania the people prayed to God and He removed covid from the country: https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-africa-52966016

Prayer could work here as well.

And I'm not trolling. The President of Tanzania said it worked. The obvious question is "and you believe him?" We haven't heard anything about Tanzania being overflowing with victims of covid. Life is back to normal there.

This aged well.

President of Tanzania died just there, despite claims a few days ago he was in fine health, and he totally did not die from Covid, ignore all the rumours he had it.

BigAndy21 · 21-03-2021 9:30pm

One of them MRNA Bullets in the head

brianhere · 22-03-2021 11:11am

King Mob
"What's the bets they don't actually know what mRNA stands for?"

I know what it means anyway and if people are looking for a bit more insight into the vaccine they could try this: http://www.orwellianireland.com/vaccine.pdf .

Anyway they are becoming a bit bolder in admitting that these measures were all along designed to last for years and years, for example Public Health England's head of immunisation, Mary Ramsey:

“people have got used to those lower-level restrictions now, and people can live with them, and the economy can still go on with those less severe restrictions in place.”
( https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/face-masks-social-distancing-covid-scientist-b1820256.html .)

You see the public health scares that they release at various times have nothing actually to do with the real plans they are rolling out. Consider for example what Ian Brown, a musician originally with the Stone Roses stated recently:

"All major festival promoters have held talks with SAGE/GOVT since early December planning vaccine proof as condition of entry. Money is their God. Any musician going along with this is a collaborator and a disgrace!"
( https://twitter.com/ianbrown/status/1372153567717511169 .)

So they all along planned behind the scenes this vaccine passport world, that 'conspiracy theorists' were telling people were coming down the tracks but which the government and their media lackeys (i.e. all of them) hotly denied.

You see all these organisations, SAGE and NPHET etc, are employing PR and crowd psychology experts to manage public opinion. And what do you think these people actually do? Obviously their job is to advise on the right kind of lies to peddle to the public at given times, they simply lie about the extent of the measures that they are going to take until they feel the public will accept them, then when they are embedded they will say you are used to it now so we might as well do this forever. Its a changeover from a democratic society to a Communist/dictatorship one, you simply to have to get used to obeying governments without question, and hope they now and again relax the torture and be grateful when they do.

robinph · 22-03-2021 11:18am

Nothing in what you have posted suggests any kind of pre-planning behind wanting to bring in restrictions. Just that in order to get out the other side of this pandemic some restrictions might hang around for a bit longer whilst levels reach a more manageable level.

What is the point of limiting economic activity? Why would a government want to have reduced activity in their population just so that they wear masks for a bit longer than initially hoped for?

Dohnjoe · 22-03-2021 11:26am

brianhere wrote: »

King Mob
"What's the bets they don't actually know what mRNA stands for?"

I know what it means anyway and if people are looking for a bit more insight into the vaccine they could try this: http://www.orwellianireland.com/vaccine.pdf .

The above is a blog written or plagarised by you.

brianhere · 22-03-2021 11:29am

There are a lot of reasons but as I said one of the most important is a kind of training exercise. Its like getting your dog or your horse to learn to obey you. You give instructions and you bear down on them until they learn to follow those instructions without question. (As well as relaxing the orders and giving them treats once or twice, before imposing your instructions again.) Before all this happened many people would have said that governments do not have the right to imprison me in my home, or stop me traveling abroad or restrict my breathing or whatever, they would have said any yahoo that tells me to do that can take a running jump!

Now they are learning to just do what they are told by the government, i.e. the population are being being trained to live in a communist style as opposed to democratic style society.

The Nal · 22-03-2021 11:31am

brianhere wrote: »

Now they are learning to just do what they are told by the government, i.e. the population are being being trained to live in a communist style as opposed to democratic style society.

Explain that please

brianhere · 22-03-2021 11:32am

But I just did?

The Nal · 22-03-2021 11:34am

brianhere wrote: »

But I just did?

If you think you have then you don't know what communism is.

robinph · 22-03-2021 11:37am

brianhere wrote: »

Now they are learning to just do what they are told by the government, i.e. the population are being being trained to live in a communist style as opposed to democratic style society.

By who and for what purpose?

How did they manage to get all world governments signed up to the plan, but yet the only person who seems to know anything about it is you?

brianhere · 22-03-2021 11:39am

Surely you can see are moving into a Communist style society? You have the total destruction of the private sector - outside of a few favoured multinationals - and its replacement by universal state wages, on the classic Communist model. You have totally controlled media pumping out constant state messages entirely the way it was done in any Communist country. You have the slandering of dissidents i.e. they are right wing fascists (that is explicit Communist terminology) or psychiatrically disturbed, 'bonkers' or the new term for that 'conspiracy theorists'. You have the complete destruction of the Churches, obviously straight out of a Communist playbook, etc etc.

Fighting Tao · 22-03-2021 11:40am

brianhere wrote: »

There are a lot of reasons but as I said one of the most important is a kind of training exercise. Its like getting your dog or your horse to learn to obey you. You give instructions and you bear down on them until they learn to follow those instructions without question. (As well as relaxing the orders and giving them treats once or twice, before imposing your instructions again.) Before all this happened many people would have said that governments do not have the right to imprison me in my home, or stop me traveling abroad or restrict my breathing or whatever, they would have said any yahoo that tells me to do that can take a running jump!

Now they are learning to just do what they are told by the government, i.e. the population are being being trained to live in a communist style as opposed to democratic style society.

None of the things bolder have happened here.

brianhere · 22-03-2021 11:41am

The only thing left is to get the general public on board with all this, you need to change their mentality. They have to interact with the state as a slave/master relationship, not this nonsense about 'democracy' and 'rights' and what have you!

NaFirinne · 22-03-2021 11:44am

Well haven't the Eu stated they will be now using the vaccine passort until the world health organisation decide the pandemic is over.

So WHO now get to decide when to give back our freedoms....this organisation should not have so much power when it hasn't been elected by the people.

The Nal · 22-03-2021 11:53am

NaFirinne wrote: »

Well haven't the Eu stated they will be now using the vaccine passort until the world health organisation decide the pandemic is over.

So WHO now get to decide when to give back our freedoms....this organisation should not have so much power when it hasn't been elected by the people.

Who should make decisions on global pandemics then? Ian Brown?

King Mob · 22-03-2021 11:55am

brianhere wrote: »

I know what it means anyway

No, I don't think you do. Given that you believe the link below gives you "insight" into anything, it's very clear you aren't very well informed.

So, I still bet you don't actually know what mRNA is.

brianhere wrote: »

and if people are looking for a bit more insight into the vaccine they could try this: http://www.orwellianireland.com/vaccine.pdf .

This site is a conspiracy propaganda site. It offers no insight into anything.

If people want to actually learn about the vaccines, there's lots of legitimate sources out there.

NaFirinne · 22-03-2021 12:14pm

The Nal wrote: »

Who should make decisions on global pandemics then? Ian Brown?

2% of people that have contracted covid have died in Ireland.

This is not a reason to loose our democracy that was hard fought for.

The Nal · 22-03-2021 12:17pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

2% of people that have contracted covid have died in Ireland.

This is not a reason to loose our democracy that was hard fought for.

We haven't.

Also, are you aware of what would happen to the HSE if everything opened up as normal?

Tip - look at Brazil at the moment for clues.

King Mob · 22-03-2021 12:21pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

2% of people that have contracted covid have died in Ireland.

This is not a reason to loose our democracy that was hard fought for.

2.7 million have died due to covid.
We have not lost any democracy.

Just because you don't like the restrictions it doesn't mean you can just make stuff up and invent your own reality.

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2021 12:28pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

2% of people that have contracted covid have died in Ireland.

This is not a reason to loose our democracy that was hard fought for.

Going by your reaction I'm going to assume that none of the people who died are close family of yours?

NaFirinne · 22-03-2021 12:33pm

King Mob wrote: »

2.7 million have died due to covid.
We have not lost any democracy.

Just because you don't like the restrictions it doesn't mean you can just make stuff up and invent your own reality.

The reality is that many people are out of work, people are having life altering treatments postponed all the time. People are for the most part under house arrest, allowed out for excercise and essentials only. All for a so call illness that for the most part people are able to fight off.

There is no end to this even with the Vaccines coming in.

And now Who are being given the power to continue this until they and their sponsors see fit to declare it over.

I think your the one inventing your own reality. Have you gone a step further by locking yourself in a closet or something?

pearcider · 22-03-2021 12:48pm

brianhere wrote: »

Surely you can see are moving into a Communist style society? You have the total destruction of the private sector - outside of a few favoured multinationals - and its replacement by universal state wages, on the classic Communist model. You have totally controlled media pumping out constant state messages entirely the way it was done in any Communist country. You have the slandering of dissidents i.e. they are right wing fascists (that is explicit Communist terminology) or psychiatrically disturbed, 'bonkers' or the new term for that 'conspiracy theorists'. You have the complete destruction of the Churches, obviously straight out of a Communist playbook, etc etc.

100%. The worst thing is this world wide communist system is inevitable because they have studiously worked toward this goal over many years by building state control of everything and every one and by undermining the function of free market capitalism (with their endless bail outs for insiders, high taxes, “social” programs which do more harm than good and promotion of all manner of corporate cartels all of which destroy the free movement of capital). Read the road to serfdom by the great economist Hayek and witness his fears made manifest today.

What many don’t realise is that Marx and his fellow nihilists originally predicted that capitalism must be destroyed before socialism could ascend (or descend). Therefore the big bad Soviet Union and the subsequent Cold War with them was just another head fake in history. The world wide communist system could never have arisen in the 20th century while capitalism was at its zenith. Now however it’s just around the corner. Witness the hollowing out of the western industrial base in a few short years, the build up of communist China and the ever growing dependence of our people on government welfare. Not to mention the increasing indebtness of our societies in general such that even a moderate rise in interest rates by the central bank controllers will destroy the entire financial system of the world. The International Mafia Funds notes whimsically last year “A review of 89 default episodes from 1827 to 2003 shows the typical experience to be a sharp rise in borrowing, both external and domestic, in the run-up to default (Reinhart and Rogoff 2009). Ideally this time will be different, but the record is not encouraging.”

Remember the controllers always telegraph their actions well in advance. They openly rule the world not secretly. Read the Anglo American Establishment by Carroll Quigley. These creeps are quite open about their desire to control everyone and every thing. Prepare for inflation is what they have said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/prepare-for-rise-in-interest-rates-and-price-inflation-varadkar-warns-1.4514144

Dohnjoe · 22-03-2021 12:56pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

The reality is that many people are out of work, people are having life altering treatments postponed all the time. People are for the most part under house arrest, allowed out for excercise and essentials only. All for a so call illness that for the most part people are able to fight off.

There is no end to this even with the Vaccines coming in.

And now Who are being given the power to continue this until they and their sponsors see fit to declare it over.

I think your the one inventing your own reality. Have you gone a step further by locking yourself in a closet or something?

People are not under "house arrest", it's a global pandemic not a "so-called illness", there is an end to it, there's no "sponsors" of this. Your personal opinion is pretty bizarre to say the least.

Dohnjoe · 22-03-2021 1:01pm

pearcider wrote: »

100%. The worst thing is this world wide communist system is inevitable because they have studiously worked toward this goal over many years by building state control of everything and every one and by undermining the function of free market capitalism (with their endless bail outs for insiders, high taxes, “social” programs which do more harm than good and promotion of all manner of corporate cartels all of which destroy the free movement of capital). Read the road to serfdom by the great economist Hayek and witness his fears made manifest today.

What many don’t realise is that Marx and his fellow nihilists originally predicted that capitalism must be destroyed before socialism could ascend (or descend). Therefore the big bad Soviet Union and the subsequent Cold War with them was just another head fake in history. The world wide communist system could never have arisen in the 20th century while capitalism was at its zenith. Now however it’s just around the corner. Witness the hollowing out of the western industrial base in a few short years, the build up of communist China and the ever growing dependence of our people on government welfare. Not to mention the increasing indent ness of our societies in general such that even a moderate rise in interest rates by the central bank controllers will destroy the entire financial system of the world.

You just claimed we were all headed to a Fascist super-state, now it's a Communist one..

Well which is it?

pearcider · 22-03-2021 1:06pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

You just claimed we were all headed to a Fascist super-state, now it's a Communist one..

Well which is it?

What’s the difference between Stalin and Hitler. Both examples of socialism. Stalin killed more Russians though.

King Mob · 22-03-2021 1:13pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

The reality is
...
All for a so call illness that for the most part people are able to fight off.

The reality is that covid has killed 2.7 million people.
You can keep pretending otherwise, but it's just making you and your friends look ridiculous.

NaFirinne wrote: »

I think your the one inventing your own reality. Have you gone a step further by locking yourself in a closet or something?

Because I don't believe there's a secret global conspiracy involving every government and company to fake a pandemic to install a nazi-commie government at the behest of a satanist cult who plan to bring about the end times?

PintOfView · 22-03-2021 1:27pm

brianhere wrote: »

Surely you can see are moving into a Communist style society? You have the total destruction of the private sector - outside of a few favoured multinationals - and its replacement by universal state wages, on the classic Communist model. You have totally controlled media pumping out constant state messages entirely the way it was done in any Communist country. You have the slandering of dissidents i.e. they are right wing fascists (that is explicit Communist terminology) or psychiatrically disturbed, 'bonkers' or the new term for that 'conspiracy theorists'. You have the complete destruction of the Churches, obviously straight out of a Communist playbook, etc etc.

If the government and the EU, etc., just started imposing all these restrictions on us last year, without any apparent reason, then you would have a case.

However, you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room?
What do you expect the government to do when we have a virus on the loose that is deadly to a small percentage of people?

Do you think we should just sacrifice those who would die if they caught the virus, and let our health service get overwhelmed?

As regards slandering the dissidents, do you expect reasonable people who think you are totally mislead to just agree with you?
You seem to be completely ignoring reality!

PintOfView · 22-03-2021 1:32pm

NaFirinne wrote: »

2% of people that have contracted covid have died in Ireland.

This is not a reason to loose our democracy that was hard fought for.

What kind of person are you that thinks that we can just sacrifice 2% of our population?
That would be 100,000 people!
Just let them die, is that what you think?

The ironic thing is that you possibly call yourself a Christian?
If so, you would be such a contradiction, and far from any type of real Christian I would recognise!

PintOfView · 22-03-2021 1:42pm

pearcider wrote: »

100%. The worst thing is this world wide communist system is inevitable because they have studiously worked toward this goal over many years by building state control of everything and every one and by undermining the function of free market capitalism (with their endless bail outs for insiders, high taxes, “social” programs which do more harm than good and promotion of all manner of corporate cartels all of which destroy the free movement of capital). Read the road to serfdom by the great economist Hayek and witness his fears made manifest today.

What many don’t realise is that Marx and his fellow nihilists originally predicted that capitalism must be destroyed before socialism could ascend (or descend). Therefore the big bad Soviet Union and the subsequent Cold War with them was just another head fake in history. The world wide communist system could never have arisen in the 20th century while capitalism was at its zenith. Now however it’s just around the corner. Witness the hollowing out of the western industrial base in a few short years, the build up of communist China and the ever growing dependence of our people on government welfare. Not to mention the increasing indebtness of our societies in general such that even a moderate rise in interest rates by the central bank controllers will destroy the entire financial system of the world. The International Mafia Funds notes whimsically last year “A review of 89 default episodes from 1827 to 2003 shows the typical experience to be a sharp rise in borrowing, both external and domestic, in the run-up to default (Reinhart and Rogoff 2009). Ideally this time will be different, but the record is not encouraging.”

Remember the controllers always telegraph their actions well in advance. They openly rule the world not secretly. Read the Anglo American Establishment by Carroll Quigley. These creeps are quite open about their desire to control everyone and every thing. Prepare for inflation is what they have said.

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/prepare-for-rise-in-interest-rates-and-price-inflation-varadkar-warns-1.4514144

Are you sure you're not still fighting the cold war, long after it finished?
(bit like the Japanese soldiers that were still 'fighting' in the jungle long after ww2 ended)

I'm not saying the world is perfect, or the financial system is perfect, etc., but your diagnosis seems way wide of the mark!
What do you think is the solution to all these problems?

pearcider · 22-03-2021 1:44pm

PintOfView wrote: »

If the government and the EU, etc., just started imposing all these restrictions on us last year, without any apparent reason, then you would have a case.

However, you seem to be ignoring the elephant in the room?
What do you expect the government to do when we have a virus on the loose that is deadly to a small percentage of people?

Do you think we should just sacrifice those who would die if they caught the virus, and let our health service get overwhelmed?

As regards slandering the dissidents, do you expect reasonable people who think you are totally mislead to just agree with you?
You seem to be completely ignoring reality!

You’re the one ignoring reality. Lockdowns don’t work and the evidence is quite clear on that now. They do more harm than good. They are utterly stupid when you have thousands of people arriving from endemic countries every week. The virus should’ve been let loose among the population and it would’ve burned out by now. The elderly should’ve been protected they weren’t in fact they emptied the hospitals and sent infected patients into the nursing homes to kill thousands.

Now we’ve dragged out the illness, applied selective pressure to the original virus encouraging it to mutate into more lethal variants any one which could actually turn into an apocalyptic one that kills large numbers of young people.

PintOfView · 22-03-2021 1:54pm

pearcider wrote: »

You’re the one ignoring reality. Lockdowns don’t work and the evidence is quite clear on that now. They do more harm than good. They are utterly stupid when you have thousands of people arriving from endemic countries every week. The virus should’ve been let loose among the population and it would’ve burned out by now. The elderly should’ve been protected they weren’t in fact they emptied the hospitals and sent infected patients into the nursing homes to kill thousands.

Now we’ve dragged out the illness, applied selective pressure to the original virus encouraging it to mutate into more lethal variants any one which could actually turn into an apocalyptic one that kills large numbers of young people.

What you're saying doesn't make sense.

Why do you think the cases have come down since the end of December.
It was clearly the lockdown, was it not?
What is your evidence that lockdowns don't work?

You say the virus should have been let loose and it would burn itself out!
What makes you think it would burn itself out, and with how many deaths?

As regards mutations, aren't you contradicting yourself?
The more people who get the virus the more mutations that occur,
so if we let everyone get it then we get more mutations
(which you seem to recognise might be a problem)!

Dohnjoe · 22-03-2021 2:03pm

Once again this common trend: "Let them die, so what" coupled with extreme world views coupled no notion of what would happen to our national health system if we let the virus run rampant.

King Mob · 22-03-2021 3:25pm

pearcider wrote: »

Now we’ve dragged out the illness, applied selective pressure to the original virus encouraging it to mutate into more lethal variants any one which could actually turn into an apocalyptic one that kills large numbers of young people.

What selective pressure did they apply? How does this produce a more lethal virus?
When will we see this new more deadly virus?
What is their purpose in doing this?

I suspect that you have no answers to these questions because your claim is just empty, vague waffle you just threw out because it sounded technical and scary to you.

brianhere · 22-03-2021 5:32pm

pearcider
"Lockdowns don’t work and the evidence is quite clear on that now."

Yes absolutely, like look at it this way, take nursing homes as an example and other similar institutions, like psychiatric hospitals:

They were have been completely locked down for over a full year now, basically all those institutions have overnight become prisons without visiting rights. They also have gone completely overboard for a full year now on hand sanitizing, masks and social distancing in general (that means in those places that possibly, after solicitor's letters etc, you might just be let visit your family member through a plane glass window). What do you know is the net effect? We now have the rate of Covid death there in many of these places ballooning, as seen on rip.ie etc (and strangely after they received the vaccine too).

Quite simply none of the above measures made a blind bit of positive difference, so maybe people ought to learn from that and stop doing these things.

Fighting Tao · 22-03-2021 5:57pm

brianhere wrote: »

pearcider
"Lockdowns don’t work and the evidence is quite clear on that now."

Yes absolutely, like look at it this way, take nursing homes as an example and other similar institutions, like psychiatric hospitals:

They were have been completely locked down for over a full year now, basically all those institutions have overnight become prisons without visiting rights. They also have gone completely overboard for a full year now on hand sanitizing, masks and social distancing in general (that means in those places that possibly, after solicitor's letters etc, you might just be let visit your family member through a plane glass window). What do you know is the net effect? We now have the rate of Covid death there in many of these places ballooning, as seen on rip.ie etc (and strangely after they received the vaccine too).

Quite simply none of the above measures made a blind bit of positive difference, so maybe people ought to learn from that and stop doing these things.

I wonder how my mother has regularly visited her uncle in a nursing home for months

please stop the blatant lies.

Dohnjoe · 22-03-2021 6:07pm

brianhere wrote: »

pearcider
"Lockdowns don’t work and the evidence is quite clear on that now."

Yes absolutely, like look at it this way, take nursing homes as an example and other similar institutions, like psychiatric hospitals:

They were have been completely locked down for over a full year now, basically all those institutions have overnight become prisons without visiting rights. They also have gone completely overboard for a full year now on hand sanitizing, masks and social distancing in general (that means in those places that possibly, after solicitor's letters etc, you might just be let visit your family member through a plane glass window). What do you know is the net effect? We now have the rate of Covid death there in many of these places ballooning, as seen on rip.ie etc (and strangely after they received the vaccine too).

Quite simply none of the above measures made a blind bit of positive difference, so maybe people ought to learn from that and stop doing these things.

Again this bizarre, selective "concern" for certain people, yet absolutely no concern for those dying of Covid, suffering from it. In fact, apparently they can all just die, let it "burn itself out". Not a glimmer of understanding of the threat it poses to collapsing national health systems.

PintOfView · 22-03-2021 6:43pm

brianhere wrote: »

pearcider
"Lockdowns don’t work and the evidence is quite clear on that now."

Yes absolutely, like look at it this way, take nursing homes as an example and other similar institutions, like psychiatric hospitals:

They were have been completely locked down for over a full year now, basically all those institutions have overnight become prisons without visiting rights. They also have gone completely overboard for a full year now on hand sanitizing, masks and social distancing in general (that means in those places that possibly, after solicitor's letters etc, you might just be let visit your family member through a plane glass window). What do you know is the net effect? We now have the rate of Covid death there in many of these places ballooning, as seen on rip.ie etc (and strangely after they received the vaccine too).

Quite simply none of the above measures made a blind bit of positive difference, so maybe people ought to learn from that and stop doing these things.

If the evidence is so clear, that lockdowns don't work, why can't you just point to it, or explain what the evidence is?

I would have thought that all reasonable people would seek the truth, and the actual reality of things.
To get to the truth we have to assess information and facts, and check information that might seem suspect.

So to assess if lockdowns work you need to look at what happens.
Last April the covid numbers peaked.
We locked down, and the numbers came down.

In December the covid numbers peaked again.
We locked down, and the numbers came down again.

Do you think this was just coincidence?
Do you believe in assessing situations like this using numbers?
Have you got any numbers to help us understand and believe your side of the story?

If you haven't got any evidence for what you propose, how can you blame people for thinking that you are mistaken and mislead, and not really to be taken seriously?

arccosh · 22-03-2021 7:21pm

it's a conspiracy....

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2021 7:41pm

arccosh wrote: »

it's a conspiracy....

What is?

arccosh · 22-03-2021 10:20pm

it, obviously

Timberrrrrrrr · 22-03-2021 10:24pm

arccosh wrote: »

it, obviously

:rolleyes:

JJayoo · 23-03-2021 12:18pm

brianhere wrote: »

pearcider
"Lockdowns don’t work and the evidence is quite clear on that now."

Yes absolutely, like look at it this way, take nursing homes as an example and other similar institutions, like psychiatric hospitals:

They were have been completely locked down for over a full year now, basically all those institutions have overnight become prisons without visiting rights. They also have gone completely overboard for a full year now on hand sanitizing, masks and social distancing in general (that means in those places that possibly, after solicitor's letters etc, you might just be let visit your family member through a plane glass window). What do you know is the net effect? We now have the rate of Covid death there in many of these places ballooning, as seen on rip.ie etc (and strangely after they received the vaccine too).

Quite simply none of the above measures made a blind bit of positive difference, so maybe people ought to learn from that and stop doing these things.

Troll or low IQ?

All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

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