The Irish media hysteria

YFlyer · 05-03-2021 2:58pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

on twitter it seems like anyone at all can get a vaccine in the UK

UK not following manufacturers protocols.

aido79 · 05-03-2021 5:30pm

bladespin wrote: »

Not a bit, but considering there's only the most tenuous association link that hasn't been investigated it's pure sensationalist, outrageously so.

I'm not sure what news outlet you're getting your information from but calling it sensationalist is a bit of an exaggeration I think.

What's sensational about this?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1200855/

"The Deputy Chief Medical Officer has said that NPHET has been made aware of four preliminary reports of stillbirths in Ireland, that could potentially be associated with a condition called Covid Placentitis.
Dr Ronan Glynn said that these reports should be interpreted with caution as the coroners have not concluded their findings."

The language of the entire article is anything but sensationalist. It's just precautionary advice for pregnant women that would come under medical duty of care rather than trying to spread fear.

ElektroToad · 05-03-2021 6:02pm

In fairness I think some people were too quick on this occasion to whip out the pitchforks for Ronan Glynn over this one.

Seems like he was obliged to answer a question on this from George Lee who most likely only asked that particular question so that RTE could take his response out of context and create a nice click-bait, fear-mongering headline.

Classy stuff from our state broadcaster

Compo82 · 05-03-2021 6:10pm

In fairness, it the typical of George Lee. He almost gets breathless at the sight of bad news or an increase in cases or hospitalisations. The question was a disgrace yesterday when its still under investigation and they can't confirm it. NPHET is the gift that keeps on giving for the media. Ireland must be have the greatest medics on earth when they have found a new side effect of covid.

05-03-2021 6:58pm

aido79 wrote: »

I'm not sure what news outlet you're getting your information from but calling it sensationalist is a bit of an exaggeration I think.

What's sensational about this?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.rte.ie/amp/1200855/

"The Deputy Chief Medical Officer has said that NPHET has been made aware of four preliminary reports of stillbirths in Ireland, that could potentially be associated with a condition called Covid Placentitis.
Dr Ronan Glynn said that these reports should be interpreted with caution as the coroners have not concluded their findings."

The language of the entire article is anything but sensationalist. It's just precautionary advice for pregnant women that would come under medical duty of care rather than trying to spread fear.

I'm not being funny but did you miss where it was reported that NPHET issued an alert to HSE maternity staff?

aido79 · 06-03-2021 1:25pm

ecoli3136 wrote: »

I'm not being funny but did you miss where it was reported that NPHET issued an alert to HSE maternity staff?

Are you saying NPHET shouldn't have issued that alert and should have kept the information to themselves?
Or just that the media shouldn't have reported it?

06-03-2021 1:31pm

aido79 wrote: »

Are you saying NPHET shouldn't have issued that alert and should have kept the information to themselves?
Or just that the media shouldn't have reported it?

The post to which I replied placed emphasis on the media as driving this story. I pointed out that it was NPHET that chose to "issue an alert" as to a "possible connection" between COVID-19 infections and miscarriage/still birth.

Thankfully, medical professionals independent of NPHET have now come out to assuage the baseless fears engendered by NPHET.

It's not binary in the manner your questions are loaded to suggest. If NPHET felt it necessary to "issue an alert" it was incumbent, as a responsible public authority, to provide full information. Their failure to do so was presumably deliberate, or incompetent (now, that one is binary).

Boggles · 06-03-2021 4:14pm

ecoli3136 wrote: »

I pointed out that it was NPHET that chose to "issue an alert" as to a "possible connection" between COVID-19 infections and miscarriage/still birth.

Did NPHET issue an alert?

As I understand it the first time Glynn heard anything about it was when the HSPC published their figures.

The 2 coroners who preformed the 4 post mortem's contacted the HSE themselves and made them aware who would have then made the relevant departments aware.

What Glynn did was reasonably explain the factual data he was presented with.

Deusexmachina · 06-03-2021 4:17pm

TonyMaloney wrote: »

I don't know about you, but I regularly go out after 6pm. Whether it's shopping, playing with my son or just flooting about.
I find the thought of being required or even sent home very unpleasant, and completely at odds with what we're experiencing.

Anyway, you think France's experience is close enough to ours. Ok fine, but my point was that Stringency Index suggests their experience is a lot less stringent, when as you say, it clearly is not.

I have a friend living in France. No way are their restrictions anywhere near ours. He is shocked by ours.

bucketybuck · 06-03-2021 5:51pm

BPKS wrote: »

They would tell you just to stream it at home.

Burning cinemas aren't Covid so they would not do or tell you anything.

Only Covid Matters.

Silentcorner · 06-03-2021 7:01pm

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fears-cork-anti-lockdown-protest-could-be-super-spreader-event-40164807.html

Cork protest could be super spreader.

It was the mass protests that were welcomed by political establishments across the world in particular the US that for me determined how seriously to actually take the threat of this virus, here we are 8 months later and the tune is different.

If you still trust media outlets remember, they think you are stupid, don't prove them right is my advice.

Ash.J.Williams · 06-03-2021 7:11pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/fears-cork-anti-lockdown-protest-could-be-super-spreader-event-40164807.html

Cork protest could be super spreader.

It was the mass protests that were welcomed by political establishments across the world in particular the US that for me determined how seriously to actually take the threat of this virus, here we are 8 months later and the tune is different.

If you still trust media outlets remember, they think you are stupid, don't prove them right is my advice.

Ok we’ll listen to you instead, what do you want to do ?

Silentcorner · 06-03-2021 7:17pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Ok we’ll listen to you instead, what do you want to do ?

Can you not figure out how to think for yourself, too much to ask?

Ash.J.Williams · 06-03-2021 7:23pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Can you not figure out how to think for yourself, too much to ask?

I’m grand

Diarmuid · 06-03-2021 7:30pm

TonyMaloney wrote: »

According to that list France has much lighter restrictions than we do.
They have a 6pm to 6am curfew in place nationwide. And will do for another 4 to 6 weeks.

Ranking the severity of various lockdowns isn't straightforward, and that Stringency Index does a particularly bad job of it I think.

There is an overnight curfew which you can break for a whole bunch of reasons that you self certify with your phone

For this weekend and last, in two counties (out of 90) there's a 5km restriction. For 4 days. Not like the 6 months you are experiencing in Ireland. It may be extended but history shows that if they do extend it, it will be for a very limited period of time

I've been in France since Christmas. It's a million miles from the Irish experience. Both the restrictions, the attitude and the government response. Far more freedom in France

We have discussed the Ireland v France attitude with Irish expat friends here. They generally don't discuss their daily lives with friends back home because of the Irish attitude. Telling someone back home that you called to your friends for lunch or went hiking in the mountains would require the Irish breaking out the smelling salts, not to mention the tut-tutting. The Irish really do not realise how restricted life is at home relative to our European neighbours

KanyeSouthEast · 06-03-2021 7:41pm

Diarmuid wrote: »

There is an overnight curfew which you can break for a whole bunch of reasons that you self certify with your phone

For this weekend and last, in two counties (out of 90) there's a 5km restriction. For 4 days. Not like the 6 months you are experiencing in Ireland. It may be extended but history shows that if they do extend it, it will be for a very limited period of time

I've been in France since Christmas. It's a million miles from the Irish experience. Both the restrictions, the attitude and the government response. Far more freedom in France

We have discussed the Ireland v France attitude with Irish expat friends here. They generally don't discuss their daily lives with friends back home because of the Irish attitude. Telling someone back home that you called to your friends for lunch or went hiking in the mountains would require the Irish breaking out the smelling salts, not to mention the tut-tutting. The Irish really do not realise how restricted life is at home relative to our European neighbours

Paddy knows best.

the kelt · 06-03-2021 7:56pm

Diarmuid wrote: »

There is an overnight curfew which you can break for a whole bunch of reasons that you self certify with your phone

For this weekend and last, in two counties (out of 90) there's a 5km restriction. For 4 days. Not like the 6 months you are experiencing in Ireland. It may be extended but history shows that if they do extend it, it will be for a very limited period of time

I've been in France since Christmas. It's a million miles from the Irish experience. Both the restrictions, the attitude and the government response. Far more freedom in France

We have discussed the Ireland v France attitude with Irish expat friends here. They generally don't discuss their daily lives with friends back home because of the Irish attitude. Telling someone back home that you called to your friends for lunch or went hiking in the mountains would require the Irish breaking out the smelling salts, not to mention the tut-tutting. The Irish really do not realise how restricted life is at home relative to our European neighbours

Totally, had this discussion on here before.

The amount of people who actually think “well it could be worse, we don’t have a curfew” who don’t actually understand what that curfew means in reality compared to what we have is scary!

They’re generally the ones who think we really don’t have many restrictions, sure I went to a shop today.

bladespin · 08-03-2021 11:17am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Ok we’ll listen to you instead, what do you want to do ?

Why is this the generic response when someone doesn't take the general media's word for something?

If someone suggests you shop around for home insurance do you immediately challenge them to quote?

Richard Hillman · 08-03-2021 12:25pm

Diarmuid wrote: »

There is an overnight curfew which you can break for a whole bunch of reasons that you self certify with your phone

For this weekend and last, in two counties (out of 90) there's a 5km restriction. For 4 days. Not like the 6 months you are experiencing in Ireland. It may be extended but history shows that if they do extend it, it will be for a very limited period of time

I've been in France since Christmas. It's a million miles from the Irish experience. Both the restrictions, the attitude and the government response. Far more freedom in France

We have discussed the Ireland v France attitude with Irish expat friends here. They generally don't discuss their daily lives with friends back home because of the Irish attitude. Telling someone back home that you called to your friends for lunch or went hiking in the mountains would require the Irish breaking out the smelling salts, not to mention the tut-tutting. The Irish really do not realise how restricted life is at home relative to our European neighbours

There are 2 countries that we tend to mimic, Britain and the U.S. We've mimicked Britain for Lockdown rules but conveniently took our eyes off the U.S. The rest of Europe the media have ignored bar the rules that would increase Irelands Lockdown like Curfews.

The media will have nowhere to turn when the UK reopens.

08-03-2021 5:34pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

There are 2 countries that we tend to mimic, Britain and the U.S. We've mimicked Britain for Lockdown rules but conveniently took our eyes off the U.S. The rest of Europe the media have ignored bar the rules that would increase Irelands Lockdown like Curfews.

The media will have nowhere to turn when the UK reopens.

RTE has been an utter disgrace throughout this pandemic, as have many of our so called experts, Luke O'Neill, Sam McConkey, Tomas Ryan (a neuroscientist) and the utterly demented Jerry Killeen who stated recently on Prime Time that he had lived through 4 pandemics and personally ended two of them. Was not even questioned on that statement. If he said he helped St Patrick banish the snakes, Claire Byrne would ask him which snakes we had in 5th century Ireland. Shows you how bad they are.

Utterly terrible.

thisNthat · 20-03-2021 10:04pm

Deleted User wrote: »

RTE has been an utter disgrace throughout this pandemic, as have many of our so called experts, Luke O'Neill, Sam McConkey, Tomas Ryan (a neuroscientist) and the utterly demented Jerry Killeen who stated recently on Prime Time that he had lived through 4 pandemics and personally ended two of them. Was not even questioned on that statement. If he said he helped St Patrick banish the snakes, Claire Byrne would ask him which snakes we had in 5th century Ireland. Shows you how bad they are.

Utterly terrible.

What about the amazing George Lee in RTE?
An expert in absolutely everything.... :rolleyes:
but will not, under any circumstance, allow any bit of positive news to be heard.
Number dropping, oh its very worrying...
ICU numbers at their lowest in months, oh its very worrying...
I personally feel RTE have lost whatever bit of credibility they had left.
There are a few who are worth their pay like Micheál Lehane and one or two more but the rest are nothing more than a glorified bunch of grossly overpaid incompetent journalists.

Chivito550 · 21-03-2021 12:28pm

thisNthat wrote: »

What about the amazing George Lee in RTE?
An expert in absolutely everything.... :rolleyes:
but will not, under any circumstance, allow any bit of positive news to be heard.
Number dropping, oh its very worrying...
ICU numbers at their lowest in months, oh its very worrying...
I personally feel RTE have lost whatever bit of credibility they had left.
There are a few who are worth their pay like Micheál Lehane and one or two more but the rest are nothing more than a glorified bunch of grossly overpaid incompetent journalists.

They aren't journalists. They are PR workers and spokespeople.

Faugheen · 21-03-2021 12:35pm

Deleted User wrote: »

RTE has been an utter disgrace throughout this pandemic, as have many of our so called experts, Luke O'Neill, Sam McConkey, Tomas Ryan (a neuroscientist) and the utterly demented Jerry Killeen who stated recently on Prime Time that he had lived through 4 pandemics and personally ended two of them. Was not even questioned on that statement. If he said he helped St Patrick banish the snakes, Claire Byrne would ask him which snakes we had in 5th century Ireland. Shows you how bad they are.

Utterly terrible.

What has Luke O'Neill done wrong?

I think he's the only one who has looked for any kind of positivity and hope in his contributions, as well as actually trying to explain what everything means.

What ever about the rest of them but Luke O'Neill being a 'disgrace' I think is really harsh.

Chivito550 · 21-03-2021 12:39pm

Faugheen wrote: »

What has Luke O'Neill done wrong?

I think he's the only one who has looked for any kind of positivity and hope in his contributions, as well as actually trying to explain what everything means.

What ever about the rest of them but Luke O'Neill being a 'disgrace' I think is really harsh.

Embracing celebrity status. Playing guitar on NYE special. Standing in that ridiculous bubble thing on Claire Byrne Live.

None of us (outside of those who work in related fields) should know who these people are. The fact they've become celebrities is so depressing.

Faugheen · 21-03-2021 12:45pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Embracing celebrity status. Playing guitar on NYE special. Standing in that ridiculous bubble thing on Claire Byrne Live.

None of us (outside of those who work in related fields) should know who these people are. The fact they've become celebrities is so depressing.

So because he made a name for himself with his fair, balanced contributions to COVID-19, people then looked into him and what he did, and found out he was in a band.

Why should he turn it down? He's not a member of NPHET, he's clearly a very outgoing man whom a lot of people have grown to like over the course of the last year.

Sounds like you're just begrudging him, if I'm honest.

is_that_so · 21-03-2021 12:48pm

Faugheen wrote: »

So because he made a name for himself with his fair, balanced contributions to COVID-19, people then looked into him and what he did, and found out he was in a band.

Why should he turn it down? He's not a member of NPHET, he's clearly a very outgoing man whom a lot of people have grown to like over the course of the last year.

Sounds like you're just begrudging him, if I'm honest.

Not too balanced on the AZ pause of last week, despite the clear reasoning behind it. I think he's a bit of a Tigger, the positivity is welcome but sometimes exuberantly so.

lee_baby_simms · 21-03-2021 12:48pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Embracing celebrity status. Playing guitar on NYE special. Standing in that ridiculous bubble thing on Claire Byrne Live.

None of us (outside of those who work in related fields) should know who these people are. The fact they've become celebrities is so depressing.

He puts on a kind of disarming, everyman act...usually as he’s floating ideas that trample over basic civil liberties...

Laughing away saying “this is great!” as he’s inside a plastic “zorb” holding up a sign saying “I need to pee”, throwing out the idea of unremovable body tags to show you’re vaccinated etc.

Chivito550 · 21-03-2021 12:49pm

Faugheen wrote: »

So because he made a name for himself with his fair, balanced contributions to COVID-19, people then looked into him and what he did, and found out he was in a band.

Why should he turn it down? He's not a member of NPHET, he's clearly a very outgoing man whom a lot of people have grown to like over the course of the last year.

Sounds like you're just begrudging him, if I'm honest.

I don't believe people should be personally benefiting out of all this, when so many people's lives have been ruined.

Faugheen · 21-03-2021 12:50pm

is_that_so wrote: »

Not too balanced on the AZ pause of last week, despite the clear reasoning behind it.

Exactly, he had clear reasoning behind it. While everyone else was being cautious on it he specifically said the science is being ignored.

That is a balanced view, in my book, and the EMA judgement backed him up.

Faugheen · 21-03-2021 12:52pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

I don't believe people should be personally benefiting out of all this, when so many people's lives have been ruined.

So no one person should be benefitting from this?

Nobody at all? Nobody who was able to transform their business to deal with the pandemic?

That's absolutely ridiculous. Loads of people have benefitted from the pandemic when a lot of people have lost their jobs. If everyone decided to give up because of everyone else then we wouldn't have an economy to go back to.

Chivito550 · 21-03-2021 1:06pm

Faugheen wrote: »

So no one person should be benefitting from this?

Nobody at all? Nobody who was able to transform their business to deal with the pandemic?

That's absolutely ridiculous. Loads of people have benefitted from the pandemic when a lot of people have lost their jobs. If everyone decided to give up because of everyone else then we wouldn't have an economy to go back to.

Health "expert" public figures personally benefitting from pushing a narrative that is ruining other people's lives, nope I don't agree with that.

Jim2007 · 21-03-2021 1:13pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Health "expert" public figures personally benefitting from pushing a narrative that is ruining other people's lives, nope I don't agree with that.

Well you’d first have to produce some factual evidence of Irish public health officials benefiting from this before I’d even begin to take you seriously.

thebaz · 21-03-2021 1:18pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Exactly, he had clear reasoning behind it. While everyone else was being cautious on it he specifically said the science is being ignored.

That is a balanced view, in my book, and the EMA judgement backed him up.

Glad to hear someone questioned, the complete lack of urgency to re-start AZ vaccinatios - we are way behind on vaccinations, the leaks coming out were that EMA had deemed AZ safe on Tuesday , yet the people had to wait until late on Friday to get official response/ok. No dynamic action by HSE, when we have been in a 12 month pandemic, with a never-ending lockdown.

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-03-2021 1:23pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Health "expert" public figures personally benefitting from pushing a narrative that is ruining other people's lives, nope I don't agree with that.

Well the alternative argument is that the narrative is about saving lives. Why the "'s around expert?? A bit Michael Govesque

Chivito550 · 21-03-2021 1:42pm

Jim2007 wrote: »

Well you’d first have to produce some factual evidence of Irish public health officials benefiting from this before I’d even begin to take you seriously.

Are Sam McKonkey, Luke O'Neill etc offering their many media appearances free of charge?

Faugheen · 21-03-2021 1:47pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Health "expert" public figures personally benefitting from pushing a narrative that is ruining other people's lives, nope I don't agree with that.

What narrative has Luke O'Neill pushed that has encouraged ruining people's lives?

Seriously start backing up your nonsense with some evidence.

And he works in the field of immunology. He is very much an expert in this field.

Jim2007 · 21-03-2021 3:04pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Are Sam McKonkey, Luke O'Neill etc offering their many media appearances free of charge?

If you have to ask the question, then you clearly have no evidence to support your rant. Like I sad, you’re not to be taken seriously until you produce actual facts.

lee_baby_simms · 21-03-2021 5:13pm

Chivito550 wrote: »

Are Sam McKonkey, Luke O'Neill etc offering their many media appearances free of charge?

Luke O’Neill is a household name since Covid arrived and used his new found fame to put out the obligatory crap book that should be filed in the ‘Christmas present for lazy people’ category.

Faugheen · 21-03-2021 5:57pm

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Luke O’Neill is a household name since Covid arrived and used his new found fame to put out the obligatory crap book that should be filed in the ‘Christmas present for lazy people’ category.

Luke O’Neill has been around long before COVID-19. He’s had a regular slot on the Pat Kenny show for years.

Ronaldinho · 21-03-2021 9:42pm

Faugheen wrote: »

What narrative has Luke O'Neill pushed that has encouraged ruining people's lives?

Told us not to pass the gravy boat at Xmas.

Coillte_Bhoy · 21-03-2021 9:48pm

Faugheen wrote: »

Luke O’Neill has been around long before COVID-19. He’s had a regular slot on the Pat Kenny show for years.

Yes, i always enjoyed listening to him too pre covid, i really dont get the hate towards him, its kind of depressing really., Disagree with him fine but the vitriol is pathetic

NIMAN · 22-03-2021 1:25am

Faugheen wrote: »

Luke O’Neill has been around long before COVID-19. He’s had a regular slot on the Pat Kenny show for years.

Plus he is already a very rich man, so he ain't doing it for the money.

I think he likes being in the limelight. And this is exactly why folk are probably turning against him, he is bloody everywhere. And has been for a year, telling us it'll all be alright, while we haven't been able to have any sort of life for a year.

It grates on people. He'd be better lying low for a while.

coolshannagh28 · 22-03-2021 1:30am

Chivito550 wrote: »

Are Sam McKonkey, Luke O'Neill etc offering their many media appearances free of charge?

Luke Oneill is a wealthy individual.

https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwi8z_KX0sLvAhX6XRUIHdeuCY8QFjACegQIARAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Fbusiness%2Firish%2Fprofessors-share-26m-windfall-as-drugs-firm-they-founded-four-years-ago-sold-for-380m-39551670.html&usg=AOvVaw3sdanSNebRF2WbAGvUBUDj

StupidLikeAFox · 22-03-2021 2:32am

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

Yes, i always enjoyed listening to him too pre covid, i really dont get the hate towards him, its kind of depressing really., Disagree with him fine but the vitriol is pathetic

But he played guitar on the telly. What a bastard.

Donald Trump · 22-03-2021 2:52am

Faugheen wrote: »

What narrative has Luke O'Neill pushed that has encouraged ruining people's lives?

Seriously start backing up your nonsense with some evidence.

And he works in the field of immunology. He is very much an expert in this field.

I reckon there are posters on here that, if they went to the doctor and the doctor explained to them that they needed to lose weight because they were obese and in danger of developing diabetes, that the poster would call the doctor a "no-craic bollix" and blame the doc for the situation

22-03-2021 3:02am

NIMAN wrote: »

Plus he is already a very rich man, so he ain't doing it for the money.

I think he likes being in the limelight. And this is exactly why folk are probably turning against him, he is bloody everywhere. And has been for a year, telling us it'll all be alright, while we haven't been able to have any sort of life for a year.

It grates on people. He'd be better lying low for a while.

Exactly. He's like a medical Eddie Hobbes.

Eddie had a TV series around 2008 ""helping" people with their spending.

Eddie: So let me get this straight, you bought a house for 500k, even though it's only worth 300k, you work in Spar, your husband works in Dunnes, you get takeaways three times a week and your baffled by having no money?

Once the crash happened, he had the good sense to go quiet.

NIMAN · 22-03-2021 3:06am

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly. He's like a medical Eddie Hobbes.

Eddie had a TV series around 2008 ""helping" people with their spending.

Eddie: So let me get this straight, you bought a house for 500k, even though it's only worth 300k, you work in Spar, your husband works in Dunnes, you get takeaways three times a week and your baffled by having no money?

Once the crash happened, he had the good sense to go quiet.

Unfortunately that spoofer is making a comeback, heard him on the radio recently.

Donald Trump · 22-03-2021 12:03pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Unfortunately that spoofer is making a comeback, heard him on the radio recently.

There are investigations to try to find out where some of the money from his "investment vehicle" went and whether any can be recovered for the investors who lost a lot of money.

I think that it lost all the money that was invested. Which is difficult enough thing to do when investing in physical assets............for example, if I remember correctly, they bought distressed properties in the US, then later realised they couldn't afford to pay the taxes due so they just gave them away to the company that they hired to renovate them.

mean gene · 22-03-2021 12:33pm

The Irish media are now grasping at straws trying to keep this going hyping up a 4th wave here now listened to radio 1 yesterday these journalists are a fcukin disgrace

scamalert · 22-03-2021 12:43pm

mean gene wrote: »

The Irish media are now grasping at straws trying to keep this going hyping up a 4th wave here now listened to radio 1 yesterday these journalists are a fcukin disgrace

reading irish independent youd want to blow your brains with waffle they come up with. theres effort thats been done nation wide for almost entire year now, and same fckn drum is being banged few arent adhering to completely self isolate from life :cool:.

theres 0 fck all news about hse trying to increase capacity for icus, vaccine's are treated as a freaking business venture, yes few people die of covid each day same as few dozen people die of other ilnesses accidents daily for years, this scaremongering crap is getting out of control.

The Irish media hysteria

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