The Irish media hysteria

finalfurlong · 25-02-2021 5:14pm

RTE really being selective in last 24 hours.No reference to cases yesterday being 2nd lowest since jan 1,instead in both main reports at 6 and 9 the interjection of the reference that the youngest death was 16.No mention like most days of age range and median age which again was 84/85.Today the dr doom george lee says gleefully 60% "accept" there will be another lockdown and says that 10 deaths in icu the highest deaths in icu since april.No mention that cases below 600 ,patients below 600.icu below 140 which are major improvements on just 2 weeks ago.People should be reminded of progress but unfortunately this is not part of the fear agenda.

doublejobbing 2 · 25-02-2021 9:14pm

finalfurlong wrote: »

RTE really being selective in last 24 hours.No reference to cases yesterday being 2nd lowest since jan 1,instead in both main reports at 6 and 9 the interjection of the reference that the youngest death was 16.No mention like most days of age range and median age which again was 84/85.Today the dr doom george lee says gleefully 60% "accept" there will be another lockdown and says that 10 deaths in icu the highest deaths in icu since april.No mention that cases below 600 ,patients below 600.icu below 140 which are major improvements on just 2 weeks ago.People should be reminded of progress but unfortunately this is not part of the fear agenda.

Matt Cooper had some clown on saying that while people are frustrated some survey shows people are relatively happy to live like this indefinitely.

Madness.

The anger is palpable now. These odious pricks with their Hold Firm bull**** when they let the virus back in at Christmas from those gobshiet ex pats.

washman3 · 25-02-2021 9:36pm

political analyst wrote: »

Why would RTÉ broadcast things said about the virus if they were not true?

Because they cannot be challenged...!!!

RunningFlyer · 25-02-2021 10:29pm

A tale of two different outlets top stories this evening...

RTE are absolutely miserable.

ThunbergsAreGo · 25-02-2021 10:30pm

RunningFlyer wrote: »

A tale of two top stories this evening...

RTE are actually ridiculous at this stage.

Were there not loads of variants last year which caused little or no issue

RunningFlyer · 25-02-2021 10:35pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Were there not loads of variants last year which caused little or no issue

Yes but I think there was quite a bit of positivity this evening with reductions in cases etc and coverage saying the tide might be turning re restrictions, that they had to scrape the barrel for the most negative “story” they could publish to continue the fear.

NIMAN · 25-02-2021 10:38pm

One of the last lines that the 9 o clock news finished with today was something about the virus numbers might explode.

Yeah and they might not.

They will let a wild guess become a headline.

They want this misery to continue and I do think the nphet guys do too. It's keeping them all so relevant.

ThunbergsAreGo · 25-02-2021 10:45pm

NIMAN wrote: »

One of the last lines that the 9 o clock news finished with today was something about the virus numbers might explode.

Yeah and they might not.

They will let a wild guess become a headline.

They want this misery to continue and I do think the nphet guys do too. It's keeping them all so relevant.

Its horrific, and horrible

Silentcorner · 25-02-2021 10:50pm

Ring RTE reception and let them know.

01 2083111

The need to be plagued, their behavior has been grotesque. There are elderly who will never recover from the fear and anxiety.

richardkeiths · 25-02-2021 10:52pm

finalfurlong wrote: »

RTE really being selective in last 24 hours.No reference to cases yesterday being 2nd lowest since jan 1,instead in both main reports at 6 and 9 the interjection of the reference that the youngest death was 16.No mention like most days of age range and median age which again was 84/85.Today the dr doom george lee says gleefully 60% "accept" there will be another lockdown and says that 10 deaths in icu the highest deaths in icu since april.No mention that cases below 600 ,patients below 600.icu below 140 which are major improvements on just 2 weeks ago.People should be reminded of progress but unfortunately this is not part of the fear agenda.

are you going to have a mass gathering to protest?? LOL

I bet you clapped for the nurses at the start

richardkeiths · 25-02-2021 10:55pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Ring RTE reception and let them know.

01 2083111

The need to be plagued, their behavior has been grotesque. There are elderly who will never recover from the fear and anxiety.

They wouldnt get it if the community took some responsibility.

Ireland embarrassed itself when given some freedom over xmas.

The rest of Europe obey health guidelines individually, thats why they can reopen.

Everyday I work on the frontline and 90% incorrectly wear masks and barely sanitise. Its infuriating! Its not much of an ask.

ShineOn7 · 25-02-2021 11:13pm

richardkeiths wrote: »

Ireland embarrassed itself when given some freedom over xmas.

A thousand percent this

And it'll happen again at the mere hint of Restrictions lifting. We've always being known as the most sociable nation in the world (or at least top 3). And have a guess what viruses love?

It's why Martin & Co are being so conservative

Silentcorner · 25-02-2021 11:17pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

A thousand percent this

And it'll happen again at the mere hint of Restrictions lifting. We've always being known as the most sociable nation in the world (or at least top 3). And have a guess what viruses love?

It's why Martin & Co are being so conservative

Ireland has embarrassed itself since the beginning of all this...cheap money has encouraged our Government to impose one of the strictest inhumane lock downs on the planet...without opposition or criticism from our media, many of both want even stricter lock downs.

There are very few countries that would put up with this, we aren't just subservient, we hate people who aren't!!

Aph2016 · 25-02-2021 11:31pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

A thousand percent this

And it'll happen again at the mere hint of Restrictions lifting. We've always being known as the most sociable nation in the world (or at least top 3). And have a guess what viruses love?

It's why Martin & Co are being so conservative

People wouldn't feel the need to go wild if the restrictions weren't so ridiculous in the first place.

doublejobbing 2 · 25-02-2021 11:37pm

richardkeiths wrote: »

They wouldnt get it if the community took some responsibility.

Ireland embarrassed itself when given some freedom over xmas.

The rest of Europe obey health guidelines individually, thats why they can reopen.

Everyday I work on the frontline and 90% incorrectly wear masks and barely sanitise. Its infuriating! Its not much of an ask.

Yawnnnnnnnn.

95 percent of surge from people coming from London and spreading it within houses. Little to do with pubs.

ShineOn7 · 25-02-2021 11:38pm

Aph2016 wrote: »

People wouldn't feel the need to go wild if the restrictions weren't so ridiculous in the first place.

People treating December just gone like any other year and the thousand deaths that followed in January would disagree

Everything from the government to the compliance from the people: we're an embarrassment

Silentcorner · 25-02-2021 11:42pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

People treating December just gone like any other year and the thousand deaths that followed in January would disagree

From the government to the compliance from the people: we're an embarrassment

Blaming people, many of whom had just put down their most stressful years of their lives, for a naturally occurring winter surge in viral infections is deranged.

ShineOn7 · 25-02-2021 11:49pm

Silentcorner wrote: »

Blaming people, many of whom had just put down their most stressful years of their lives, for a naturally occurring winter surge in viral infections is deranged.

Many, many people behaved like it was any other Christmas and doing that during a once in a century pandemic is just fcuking imbecilic

Silentcorner · 25-02-2021 11:56pm

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Many, many people behaved like it was any other Christmas and doing that during a once in a century pandemic is just fcuking imbecilic

There will be a lot of people embarrassed for their imbecilic behavior over the last year when we look back at this in years to come....it won't be those who visited family they haven't seen all year, grand parents seeing their kids and grand kids I will tell you that.

*mod snip - no need for this rubbish*

One day forum ban applied seeing as you cannot post in a civil manner

47akak · 26-02-2021 3:19am

Silentcorner wrote: »

There will be a lot of people embarrassed for their imbecilic behavior over the last year when we look back at this in years to come....it won't be those who visited family they haven't seen all year, grand parents seeing their kids and grand kids I will tell you that.

It'll be the curtain twitching pious virtue signalers who believe that we should all follow the governments off the wall, inhumane, severe restrictions no matter how little sense they make!!!

And now many won't have to worry about visiting grandparents ever again.

Not everybody who felt capable of doing so and took a rational decision to sit out one single Christmas is a "pious virtue signaller" and if you look at polling it suggests you're in the minority if you think what happened over Christmas was more appropriate than sitting it out. It was clearly a catastrophic mistake and it set us back 3 months. We could have reopened in April more or less fully if we had kept at it through the New Year and the rest of winter. Some of you are right, there is a seasonal component to the spread, that's the point!

Pubs and restaurants would have been opened by April, definitely May. But the Government gave in to people like you and created an even bigger problem that severely delayed reopening. Maybe think about that next time you're screaming and roaring demanding everybody stop trying to do anything to stop Covid.

ThunbergsAreGo · 26-02-2021 7:45am

richardkeiths wrote: »

They wouldnt get it if the community took some responsibility.

Ireland embarrassed itself when given some freedom over xmas.

The rest of Europe obey health guidelines individually, thats why they can reopen.

Everyday I work on the frontline and 90% incorrectly wear masks and barely sanitise. Its infuriating! Its not much of an ask.

Look at the parks in Amsterdam today, we aren't alone in being sociable. The rest of europe definitely do not observe guidelines.

There is a definite element in truth in what you say but people, all over europe, miss any semblance of normality.

bladespin · 26-02-2021 10:39am

47akak wrote: »

And now many won't have to worry about visiting grandparents ever again.

That's a null point tbh, my own children recently faced the possibility of loosing their grandmother despite staying away for the guts of a year, she's in hospital now and we have no way of letting them see her now until she comes out (one way or another).

Silentcorner · 26-02-2021 10:44am

47akak wrote: »

And now many won't have to worry about visiting grandparents ever again.

Not everybody who felt capable of doing so and took a rational decision to sit out one single Christmas is a "pious virtue signaller" and if you look at polling it suggests you're in the minority if you think what happened over Christmas was more appropriate than sitting it out. It was clearly a catastrophic mistake and it set us back 3 months. We could have reopened in April more or less fully if we had kept at it through the New Year and the rest of winter. Some of you are right, there is a seasonal component to the spread, that's the point!

Pubs and restaurants would have been opened by April, definitely May. But the Government gave in to people like you and created an even bigger problem that severely delayed reopening. Maybe think about that next time you're screaming and roaring demanding everybody stop trying to do anything to stop Covid.

And now because we decided that Covid was the only show in town, many kids will lose their parents to Cancer and Heart disease in the coming years.

I sit out Christmas every year so this year wasn't much different for me, but I am not psychotic enough to think the whole country should do as I do!!!

We lose approx 30,000 souls every year, we need a more mature attitude to loss and not wrap ourselves up in hysteria every year!!!

Normally those deaths are a particular vulnerable demographic but the next few years will see excess death in every age group...

Ash.J.Williams · 26-02-2021 11:19am

ShineOn7 wrote: »

Matt Cooper is like a really bad film that crosses over into unintentional Comedy

I now only listen to the first 10 minutes of his show to see just how hilarious he's going to get

Today's literal first 10 seconds:

"On today's Last Word;

Will we now not be allowed to holiday in even Ireland this year? And later; is there a more horrendous Wave 4 still to come?"

:pac:

He then loses it with a listener who texts in criticizing his opening story about "domestic holidays possibly now in jeopardy as well"

Awful man. Awful broadcasting

Question: is the UK still getting bombarded with "news" like this? I don't watch Sky News but I'm presuming even they have moved onto more positive vaccination stories

on twitter it seems like anyone at all can get a vaccine in the UK

ShineOn7 · 27-02-2021 8:36pm

How to protest against RTE the wrong way

The intelligence of today's Grafton Street "up-risers" summed up in one pic

I believe the front of their tops has text even more hilarious, something about reptilians :pac:

Edit:

Well jaysus, I thought the "reptilians" text was just a rumour

You'd have to wonder sometimes

https://twitter.com/IrlagainstFash/status/1365751061475131393?s=19

iamwhoiam · 27-02-2021 8:37pm

Sold “there “ souls !!!!!

Darwin · 27-02-2021 9:39pm

Lol...RTE has just being sold by the looks of it. Wonder what the souls bit is about?

1800_Ladladlad · 28-02-2021 12:12am

Jaysus loads of rockets being fired around Dublin today apparently .........fascists every .....

NIMAN · 28-02-2021 12:09pm

Just heard on the BOC radio show that 40% are worried about kids returning to school in the latest polls

By my reckoning that means 60% are happy for kids to return to school and aren't worried.

But sure focus on the negative.

Chivito550 · 28-02-2021 1:22pm

Ewan McKenna talking a lot of sense here.

https://ewanmackenna.wordpress.com/2021/02/25/letters-from-lockdown-2-roll-up-roll-up-its-the-rights-sale-of-the-century-and-everything-in-wonderland-must-go/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

His previous article on it is very good too.

Long reads, but it's not like we have anything else to be doing anyway...

Elmer Blooker · 28-02-2021 1:49pm

Woman self consciously poses for camera with 'there' instead of 'their' on her back and some jaded old cliche about 'reptiles' on her front! :pac:
Have you ever seen anything so amateurish and staged in your life? Hilarious.

Spudman_20000 · 01-03-2021 3:42pm

This on the day schools reopen

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0301/1199998-covid19-ireland/

Have they no shame at all?

aidoh · 01-03-2021 6:31pm

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

This on the day schools reopen

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0301/1199998-covid19-ireland/

Have they no shame at all?

Came to post. It's outrageous!

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 01-03-2021 8:18pm

Spudman_20000 wrote: »

This on the day schools reopen

https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/0301/1199998-covid19-ireland/

Have they no shame at all?

How can anyone with a brain be opposed to opening things up now? That report broke down the ages of cases but not a peep when it came to ages or underlying conditions of the people in ICU. Scandalous fear mongering article.

aidoh · 02-03-2021 12:39am

Crazy how they've changed the headline now.

bladespin · 05-03-2021 11:04am

Claiming possible links to 4 still births now, with the emphasis on 'possible' - not proven etc etc, they have no shame.

aido79 · 05-03-2021 11:19am

bladespin wrote: »

Claiming possible links to 4 still births now, with the emphasis on 'possible' - not proven etc etc, they have no shame.

Do you think any possible link should be covered up or kept secret from pregnant women rather than the information being given to them?

ThunbergsAreGo · 05-03-2021 11:19am

bladespin wrote: »

Claiming possible links to 4 still births now, with the emphasis on 'possible' - not proven etc etc, they have no shame.

Its ok, they have been included in the age range of deaths already and fear has been sown up and down the country.

bladespin · 05-03-2021 12:42pm

aido79 wrote: »

Do you think any possible link should be covered up or kept secret from pregnant women rather than the information being given to them?

Not a bit, but considering there's only the most tenuous association link that hasn't been investigated it's pure sensationalist, outrageously so.

05-03-2021 12:51pm

Referring to a "possible connection" between miscarriage/still birth and Covid-19 infection and in the same breath stating that there are no plans to move pregnant women up the queue for vaccination.

I'm sorry, but that is just an extraordinary way to respond if these very sad cases merit "issuing an alert" to maternity staff.

I'm by no means a conspiracy theorist but I am deeply, deeply suspicious of the agenda behind the way in which these four tragedies have been brought forward at this time. The message has the look of propaganda.

Especially given the lack of any support in the evidence available internationally for the "possible connection" being suggested now.

Boggles · 05-03-2021 1:53pm

ecoli3136 wrote: »

Referring to a "possible connection" between miscarriage/still birth and Covid-19 infection and in the same breath stating that there are no plans to move pregnant women up the queue for vaccination.

The vaccines have not yet been tested in pregnancy.

It's the reason they are 15th on the list with children.

It's the same in the UK.

The vaccines have not yet been tested in pregnancy, so until more information is available, those who are pregnant should not routinely have this vaccine. Non-clinical evidence is required before any clinical studies in pregnancy can start, and before that, it is usual to not recommend routine vaccination during pregnancy.

05-03-2021 1:57pm

Boggles wrote: »

The vaccines have not yet been tested in pregnancy.

That is true. Of course, NPHET did not through their official spokesperson suggest that this is the reason.

Perhaps however, we are to deduce that what risks (for which there is no evidence) of a connection between Covid-19 infection and stillbirth/miscarriage NPHET believe are worthy of "issuing an alert" for do not warrant any change to the world-wide approach in terms of priority for vaccinations. It would have been reasonable to expect NPHET through their official spokespersons to make this clear if so.

It seems to me it would have been well within the ambit of a responsible public authority to provide some statistical information regarding numbers of pregnant women who suffer a Covid-19 infection and proceed to give birth to healthy babies. In the absence of a balanced approach, I'm afraid talk of "possible connections" and "issuing alerts to HSE maternity staff" (to do what, precisely?) has the look of what can only be considered scaremongering.

Do you have anything to say about NPHET broadcasting a "possible connection" between Covid-19 infection and stillbirth/miscarriage in this way? Are you pleased to see the Irish public health authorities taking the lead on this? Are we to be grateful that they have established the possibility of a connection ahead of their colleagues across the world so that pregnant women and their loved ones may be better protected from stillbirth/miscarriage?

I'm somebody who is very adherent to public health guidelines and fully respectful of people trying to fulfil difficult duties as best they can. I have no time for anti-maskers/"it's just the flu"/rabble-rousers/contrarians/armchair experts or the like.

But this one stinks, and NPHET are discrediting themselves in how they have tried to deploy this "information".

Boggles · 05-03-2021 2:13pm

ecoli3136 wrote: »

That is true. Of course, NPHET did not through their official spokesperson suggest that this is the reason.

Did they suggest it wasn't?

05-03-2021 2:13pm

Boggles wrote: »

Did they suggest it wasn't?

Ah come on.

mcsean2163 · 05-03-2021 2:18pm

Not sure what the fuss is.

We have dropped down the rankings by 1 and now only have the 4th strictest restrictions in the world.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-01-21..2021-03-03&region=World

05-03-2021 2:30pm

I'm just glad NPHET are not in charge of making plans for dealing with the risk of fires in cinemas.

TonyMaloney · 05-03-2021 2:39pm

mcsean2163 wrote: »

Not sure what the fuss is.

We have dropped down the rankings by 1 and now only have the 4th strictest restrictions in the world.

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/covid-stringency-index?tab=table&stackMode=absolute&time=2020-01-21..2021-03-03&region=World

According to that list France has much lighter restrictions than we do.
They have a 6pm to 6am curfew in place nationwide. And will do for another 4 to 6 weeks.

Ranking the severity of various lockdowns isn't straightforward, and that Stringency Index does a particularly bad job of it I think.

BPKS · 05-03-2021 2:42pm

ecoli3136 wrote: »

I'm just glad NPHET are not in charge of making plans for dealing with the risk of fires in cinemas.

They would tell you just to stream it at home.

And don't have popcorn because there is a risk you could choke on a kernel.

Also there is a risk you could end up in A&E with a broken baby toe if you dropped the remote control from a certain angle whilst wearing slippers. So probably best to wear steel toe cap boots while you watch it.

copeyhagen · 05-03-2021 2:43pm

TonyMaloney wrote: »

According to that list France has much lighter restrictions than we do.
They have a 6pm to 6am curfew in place nationwide. And will do for another 4 to 6 weeks.

Ranking the severity of various lockdowns isn't straightforward, and that Stringency Index does a particularly bad job of it I think.

what they have between 6pm and 6am is what we have been living with for months pretty much:

A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate:

Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed;
Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed;
Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children;
Persons with a disability and their accompanying person;
Judicial or administrative summons;
Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority;
Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys;
Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time.

TonyMaloney · 05-03-2021 2:50pm

copeyhagen wrote: »

what they have between 6pm and 6am is what we have been living with for months pretty much:

A nightly curfew is currently in force in metropolitan France. Between 6PM and 6AM you may only leave your residence for the following reasons and with an exemption certificate:

Commuting to and from work, school or training place; carrying out essential business trips that cannot be postponed;
Medical appointments that cannot be carried out remotely or postponed;
Essential family reasons, assisting vulnerable persons, persons in a precarious situation or taking care of children;
Persons with a disability and their accompanying person;
Judicial or administrative summons;
Participating in a mission of general interest upon request from an administrative authority;
Air or rail transit related to long distance journeys;
Walking a pet outdoors within 1km of one’s place of residence and for a brief amount of time.

I don't know about you, but I regularly go out after 6pm. Whether it's shopping, playing with my son or just flooting about.
I find the thought of being required or even sent home very unpleasant, and completely at odds with what we're experiencing.

Anyway, you think France's experience is close enough to ours. Ok fine, but my point was that Stringency Index suggests their experience is a lot less stringent, when as you say, it clearly is not.

The Irish media hysteria

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