Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore

Hotblack Desiato · 19-03-2021 01:05PM

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Netflix and Youtube in particular and now the plethora of other streaming services like Bitchute, Odysee, Dailymotion etc have redefined what public service broadcasting is.

As John McEnroe famously said, "You cannot be serious!"

Clickbait and foaming RWers is "redefining public service broadcasting". Uhuh.

keano_afc wrote: »

They bent very easily, compared to how they dealt with John Waters.

They shouldn't have given Waters a red cent, he got a rumoured 70k for having the truth told about him. Anyway he got massive condemnation from the public over it so there is that.

20k to RTE is basically "f... off money" i.e. we can't be bothered, we'll give you something out of petty cash to go away.

Pa ElGrande · 19-03-2021 07:24PM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

As John McEnroe famously said, "You cannot be serious!"

Clickbait and foaming RWers is "redefining public service broadcasting". Uhuh.

What is RTE? It is a content provider that maintains and operates its own terrestrial transmission network and an internet presence. It sells advertising slots and it must tailor content to draw in the demographic that advertisers need and if I recall Joe Duffy and others use misery porn to bait listeners.

I don't consume RTE so I don't know how much educational content RTE puts out these days? I want to know how to jump start a car?, roast a turkey?, make concrete? Can I look this up on RTE and have the information I need in 5 minutes to complete my task? Maybe something more in-depth like learning to fly a plane, solving maths problems or listening to entertaining stories? Maybe you are looking for perspectives than don't fit on the 3" x 5" index card of allowable opinion served by an Irish media that imports their wokeness from abroad. Irish media in general takes content published elsewhere months ago, it simply adds local names as part of the package, forgetting we have the internet as well. The media circuit in Ireland is quite small and once you have learned someone's biases you can form a reasonably accurate profile of the conversion flow without having to watch or listen.

You can switch off RTE now. You do lose out on local topics like GAA, or the once in a blue moon topic that entertains people, it's not the end of the world you lack a shared experience, but it can make for more engaging conversation. When I had TV I really did not care what happened in the various soap opera dramas. I found them monotonous and annoying and either switched the TV off or went channel surfing. In the end I got rid of TV, it had became noise in the background.

Likewise you can switch off you tube, however, the cost of information needed to complete some tasks in your daily live rises and potentially your standard of living is reduced. Youtube is quite useful, the cost is being they soak a lot of your time in adverts for the free service, or €144 per annum if you want premium subscription just to avoid seeing ads.

retalivity · 19-03-2021 09:27PM

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

Youtube is quite useful, the cost is being they soak a lot of your time in adverts for the free service, or €144 per annum if you want premium subscription just to avoid seeing ads.

Or just use adblock like the rest of us.

Theworldisy · 19-03-2021 10:50PM

If Rte was gone tomorrow would it be missed i would say for alot of people no. And as the years go on the answer is defo no. Rte won't change they are too comfortable. Rinse repeat. Waste money say your going to make cuts. Do the same thing then go to the government of the day for another bail out. It'll will end but not for a while. But the day will come. You cant just keep producing the muck they do and the service they do and get away with it. The rte player is beyond a joke. It just doesn't work. They are trying to look for ideas through consultation why would anyone bother. They just won't listen. The panel show was terrible ran it's course yet we get another panel show with the same unfunny clowns on it. The talk shows are just full of rte employee's or mates trying to plug something.

Elmo · 19-03-2021 11:36PM

Theworldisy wrote: »

They are trying to look for ideas through consultation why would anyone bother. They just won't listen.

I listed the questions a while back, they are mainly multiple choice, a few free text boxes to fill, but nothing that could cause RTÉ to think that their audience are unhappy.

Hotblack Desiato · 20-03-2021 01:10AM

You seem to have some very odd ideas about what a public service broadcaster should be.

It's crap because it doesn't replicate YouTube, and it's crap if it tries to??

Don't get me wrong there is an overwhelming amount of sheer bad content on RTE especially Duffy which in no way meets any reasonable definition of public service broadcasting or worthy of licence fee support.

Theworldisy · 20-03-2021 01:35AM

Look everyone knows the gravy train keeps going over there. Producing a product that nobody wants. In fairness id say if rte was gone 65 percent would not miss it. What do they actually produce that people watch. Example dating with me parents. Like wtf. Who would watch that complete pile of ****e. Every second program is a rip off of another program. Rte are just not fit for purpose. Late late is not the problem but the most wooden of interviewers is on 450k when a company is broke. THAT IS A JOKE.

mgn · 20-03-2021 10:05AM

Dee on RTE radio 1 now if anyone interested.

20-03-2021 10:17AM

That'll be a soft interview.

redlead · 20-03-2021 10:22AM

My toddler threw my eir remote in the bin about a week ago I'd say, no sign of it. Its proven to me how rubbish tv is because I couldn't care less. The only thing I wanted to watch was Tommy Tiernan so stuck on the rte player last night (forgot its on Saturdays) and was quickly reminded that the RTE player is the worst app ever created and basically doesn't work. Maybe it's just time for RTE to downsize to one channel and become a BBC4 sort of station that also has the news. I.e the public service remit sort of stuff noone else will show. Cut staff and costs drastically. They are simply never going to compete on entertainment.

Mav11 · 20-03-2021 10:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

That'll be a soft interview.

In fairness to Richard Curran it wasn't that soft. I'm not sure how much further he could have pushed it. Dee Forbes is like a broken record.

mgn · 20-03-2021 10:39AM

After that interview the only conclusion I can come to is that Dee and Stephen Donnelly are clones, same waffle, never answer the question their asked, no surprise RTE is losing money with the likes of her running the show.

20-03-2021 10:52AM

Mav11 wrote: »

In fairness to Richard Curran it wasn't that soft. I'm not sure how much further he could have pushed it. Dee Forbes is like a broken record.

He can't exactly do Paxman on it.
Interviewer on RTE: So, Ms. Forbes what will you do to reduce costs?
DG of RTE: perhaps, if I'm pushed, selective reduction in payroll costs for on-air talent.

Interviewer then backs off.

Elmo · 20-03-2021 10:59AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

He can't exactly do Paxman on it.
Interviewer on RTE: So, Ms. Forbes what will you do to reduce costs?
DG of RTE: perhaps, if I'm pushed, selective reduction in payroll costs for on-air talent.

Interviewer then backs off.

When was the interview?

Pa ElGrande · 20-03-2021 11:06AM

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

You seem to have some very odd ideas about what a public service broadcaster should be.

It's crap because it doesn't replicate YouTube, and it's crap if it tries to??

Don't get me wrong there is an overwhelming amount of sheer bad content on RTE especially Duffy which in no way meets any reasonable definition of public service broadcasting or worthy of licence fee support.

There are poor quality content and cat videos on youtube, you don't have to sit there passively and watch it. If you don't have broadband internet, and RTE is your only choice then you sit there and take it.

Youtube has changed the game. As a consequence of the enforced lockdowns, many mainstream broadcast presenters have had to learn about sound and video quality from youtubers and even how to do post production on their content from home.

It seems to me RTE pretends to operate on a "public service" model developed in the 1920s and 1930s by the BBC. A few decades ago it had near monopoly control of the airwaves within Ireland and it could keep up appearances, in reality it is the Irish equivalent of an American network affiliate TV or radio station, but, with a budget deficit and notions above its station in life as a content provider platform and publisher. The internet revolution, advent of social media, smartphones etc. has impacted the entire established media landscape, this is not confined to RTE, the difference is RTE has a cash flow collected by An Post plus additional taxpayer funded grants and with that advantage the organisation can't manage to transition.

mgn · 20-03-2021 11:15AM

Elmo wrote: »

Wh

This morning on the business with Richard Curran.

Elmo · 20-03-2021 11:16AM

Elmo wrote: »

When was the interview?

On the business will check later.

Richard Curran brother of former dg Noel

20-03-2021 11:18AM

Elmo wrote: »

When was the interview?

you know damn well that this is the scenario that would play out if an underling would dare to question his or her betters.

DrSerious3 · 20-03-2021 11:23AM

Theworldisy wrote: »

Look everyone knows the gravy train keeps going over there. Producing a product that nobody wants. In fairness id say if rte was gone 65 percent would not miss it. What do they actually produce that people watch. Example dating with me parents. Like wtf. Who would watch that complete pile of ****e. Every second program is a rip off of another program. Rte are just not fit for purpose. Late late is not the problem but the most wooden of interviewers is on 450k when a company is broke. THAT IS A JOKE.

It's so true. Programmes like Pulling with My Parents are puke-inducing. If Virgin Media did sh*t like that that is their decision but it should not be bankrolled by the public on RTE. Zero public service value.

Solution: stop chasing ratings. One channel only, featuring politics (unbiased if you're able to do that) news, sport of a particularly Irish interest, culture, the arts. Cut the wages, cut the nepotism and broadcast items that might actually add to our cultural capital and not American re-runs and copycats of foreign formats ala Dancing with the Staff and First Dates. It's that simple Dee, do it.

RabbleRouser2k · 20-03-2021 11:37AM

DrSerious3 wrote: »

It's so true. Programmes like Pulling with My Parents are puke-inducing. If Virgin Media did sh*t like that that is their decision but it should not be bankrolled by the public on RTE. Zero public service value.

Solution: stop chasing ratings. One channel only, featuring politics (unbiased if you're able to do that) news, sport of a particularly Irish interest, culture, the arts. Cut the wages, cut the nepotism and broadcast items that might actually add to our cultural capital and not American re-runs and copycats of foreign formats ala Dancing with the Staff and First Dates. It's that simple Dee, do it.

They're made for an audience which doesn't exist. I suppose without Love Island being on TV, they think it's filling a gap.
But that audience will go elsewhere-probably watch the Kardashians or something.

Kivaro · 20-03-2021 01:21PM

Elmo wrote: »

On the business will check later.

Richard Curran brother of former dg Noel

One of the reasons why RTE stinks.
Nepotism and cronyism should not be accepted at our national broadcaster. RTE knows that they can get away with it, so they will continue to hire their relatives and (connected) friends.

There will be a time when all of this will be investigated by an impartial body, and they will find that the FAI under John Delaney was the epitome of good governance when compared to RTE.

Mav11 · 20-03-2021 01:40PM

Deleted User wrote: »

He can't exactly do Paxman on it.
Interviewer on RTE: So, Ms. Forbes what will you do to reduce costs?
DG of RTE: perhaps, if I'm pushed, selective reduction in payroll costs for on-air talent.

Interviewer then backs off.

That's a bit selective. RC What about the 800k in car allowances; top presenter salaries; unkept promises like closing down lyric studio in Limerick etc etc etc.

Forbes is a waffler, but he can't very well beat the answers out of her. I thought he did quite well.

elperello · 20-03-2021 02:28PM

Theworldisy wrote: »

Look everyone knows the gravy train keeps going over there. Producing a product that nobody wants. In fairness id say if rte was gone 65 percent would not miss it. What do they actually produce that people watch. Example dating with me parents. Like wtf. Who would watch that complete pile of ****e. Every second program is a rip off of another program. Rte are just not fit for purpose. Late late is not the problem but the most wooden of interviewers is on 450k when a company is broke. THAT IS A JOKE.

I think your 65% might be a bit wide of the mark.

If you look at the Poll at the top of the thread it says 29.63% want to scrap RTE altogether.

That is in a thread which is overwhelmingly critical of RTE. (Just read back a few pages to confirm that.)

fritzelly · 20-03-2021 04:19PM

Just listened to the puff piece - Premium Irish content, lmao

Theworldisy · 20-03-2021 07:26PM

elperello wrote: »

I think your 65% might be a bit wide of the mark.

If you look at the Poll at the top of the thread it says 29.63% want to scrap RTE altogether.

That is in a thread which is overwhelmingly critical of RTE. (Just read back a few pages to confirm that.)

ok i stand corrected.

fritzelly · 20-03-2021 08:55PM

Premium Irish content on right now

RTE 1 - a repeat of a 4 year old show repeating stuff from decades ago - Prime time tv my arse

elperello · 20-03-2021 09:13PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Premium Irish content on right now

RTE 1 - a repeat of a 4 year old show repeating stuff from decades ago - Prime time tv my arse

Good TV never ages.

Relax, it's just a filler between the movie and the news.

Tommy T to look forward to.

Hotblack Desiato · 20-03-2021 11:09PM

Pa ElGrande wrote: »

There are poor quality content and cat videos on youtube, you don't have to sit there passively and watch it. If you don't have broadband internet, and RTE is your only choice then you sit there and take it.

It's not 1978, nobody is forced to watch RTE even if they've no internet. There are the VM channels and TG4 on Saorview, and the British channels are free to air on satellite across the whole country. The only problem is that if you have a TV tuner or satellite tuner then you're forced to pay for RTE whether you ever watch/listen to it or not... they've been talking about cuts for years but there is still a lot of fat to be cut with little or no PSB value - Duffy being the most glaring example. Sell 2FM, sell RTE2, let VM / TG4 pay for GAA etc. there is no need for licence fee to be subsidising what a commercial channel can do.

Elmo · 21-03-2021 02:58PM

I see RTÉ were in profit in 2020, I think the intereview was only done to stress the continued financial difficulties RTÉ find themselves in and as Ms. Forbes pointed out how RTÉ have really drilled home the €50m or so a year lost by license fee evasion and, like many of her "employees" re: tax, quite legal avoidance.

RabbleRouser2k · 21-03-2021 04:31PM

So lemme get this straight, an RTE employee (Brendan O'Connor), who's married to the daughter of a former RTE DG, interviewed his boss (Dee Forbes) on radio.

No impartiality there then...

:rolleyes:

Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee poll not working - pl ignore