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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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  • #6722
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭jmcc


    NIMAN wrote: »
    You do realise that it will become near impossible not to pay the licence in the future.

    They are planning to change it from a tv licence to a digital licence, and it will encompass every single gadget that can receive streaming content, which will even get money from those who don't own tv's.

    And if they have their way, they will have revenue collect it, and those guys know how to get money out of you!
    That's going to make the Water Tax protests look like a walk in the park for the politicians who support that. They will be permanently removed from office and their parties reduced to husks.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • #6723
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,487 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I do hope you're right.


  • #6724
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭jmcc


    NIMAN wrote: »
    I do hope you're right.
    Labour went from 37 seats to 7 after betraying its voters. The first party to oppose the TV tax and organise the opposition to it will gain massively.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • #6725
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,418 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Here's a better idea.

    Why don't we sit down like sensible people and decide what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want and then discuss how to fund it?

    Heaven knows there are lots of ideas out there.

    This forum alone has enough opinions to be going on with.


  • #6726
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,592 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Then RTE will say great idea and 5 years later nothing has changed like all their promises


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  • #6727
    mgn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭mgn


    elperello wrote: »
    Here's a better idea.

    Why don't we sit down like sensible people and decide what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want and then discuss how to fund it?

    Heaven knows there are lots of ideas out there.

    This forum alone has enough opinions to be going on with.

    This thread has being going now for 3 years, lots of suggestions from posters from all walks of life, most of them along the same lines, like getting rid of the overpaid superstars along with the RTE lifers that are there because of who the know rather than on merit, and inject new blood into the station.

    But we all know that nothing is going to change because the taxpayer will keep bailing them out.


  • #6728
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭jams100


    I hate these sort of situations. It should be "Irish citizens pay 20,000 for an individual who told a lie that was corrected before the end of a programme.

    These sort of things happen too often be it the HSE, RTE etc. Really frustrates me, that's essentially the tax an average person pays for the whole year! (Ok, in this instance the money is going to charity but that's not the point).


  • #6729
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,596 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    What's worse is when there's a payment made but amount undisclosed.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/rte-apologises-to-journalist-kevin-myers-for-untrue-and-defamatory-claim-he-was-a-holocaust-denier-38738766.html

    https://www.thejournal.ie/rte-apology-to-priest-in-high-court-a-wake-up-call-282112-Nov2011/

    https://www.thejournal.ie/rte-sean-gallagher-3759152-Dec2017/


  • #6730
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,418 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Then RTE will say great idea and 5 years later nothing has changed like all their promises
    mgn wrote: »
    This thread has being going now for 3 years, lots of suggestions from posters from all walks of life, most of them along the same lines, like getting rid of the overpaid superstars along with the RTE lifers that are there because of who the know rather than on merit, and inject new blood into the station.

    But we all know that nothing is going to change because the taxpayer will keep bailing them out.

    Thanks for the replies.

    Well it doesn't have to be like that.

    We could go on for another three years just cutting lumps out of RTE and each other to no avail.

    Let's face it none of us are going to get exactly what we want in this discussion but there has to be a better way.

    Surely some political party can see their way to putting forward a discussion document with a view to forming a sustainable PBS policy.


  • #6731
    mgn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,898 ✭✭✭mgn


    elperello wrote: »
    Thanks for the replies.

    Well it doesn't have to be like that.

    We could go on for another three years just cutting lumps out of RTE and each other to no avail.

    Let's face it none of us are going to get exactly what we want in this discussion but there has to be a better way.

    Surely some political party can see their way to putting forward a discussion document with a view to forming a sustainable PBS policy.

    The government are happy to play along with RTE as long as the push whatever agenda the want pushed, the couldn't care less what happens with RTE as long as the get the airtime the need while in power,


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  • #6732
    For Forks Sake
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,018 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    Imagine how much of a f*cking idiot you need to be to make Eirigi look like the good guys out of a situation :rolleyes:


  • #6733
    Jizique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,288 ✭✭✭Jizique


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    Imaging how much of a f*cking idiot you need to be to make Eirigi look like the good guys out of a situation :rolleyes:

    I am shocked that Éirigí do not support violence


  • #6734
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,439 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    Imaging how much of a f*cking idiot you need to be to make Eirigi look like the good guys out of a situation :rolleyes:

    The fact that Inner City Helping Homeless led by that muppet Anthony Flynn are partial recipients of that donation is incredible too.


  • #6735
    Gen.Zhukov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,163 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    jmcc wrote: »
    Labour went from 37 seats to 7 after betraying its voters. The first party to oppose the TV tax and organise the opposition to it will gain massively.

    Regards...jmcc

    Good place for SF to step in. They'd have nothing to lose, RTE already treat them like dirt.

    I'm not a huge fan of SF but I'm even less of a fan of blatant bias and bullying.

    It's way too late for getting all nicey nicey about it and having cosy chats about making it better.

    Their utter contempt for people outside of their privileged lives has put paid to that. They've shat on too many people, from too high, for too long.

    They will never reform themselves. I posted before in a satirical way https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=111233783 about bringing in a corporate trouble shooter. That's exactly what is needed,


  • #6736
    jmcc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,531 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Gen.Zhukov wrote: »
    Good place for SF to step in. They'd have nothing to lose, RTE already treat them like dirt.

    I'm not a huge fan of SF but I'm even less of a fan of blatant bias and bullying.
    It would be an election winner for SF because the TV licence hits those on lower wages proportionately harder than those on high wages.

    It's way too late for getting all nicey nicey about it and having cosy chats about making it better.
    This is how RTE and its supporters control the narrative. They basically get people talking and distract them from any action.

    Regards...jmcc

    Regards…jmcc



  • #6737
    Gen.Zhukov
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,163 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    What's worse is when there's a payment made but amount undisclosed.

    Lest we forget Martina Fitzgerald who's contract was not renewed.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/culture/tv-radio-web/journalist-martina-fitzgerald-to-leave-rt%C3%A9-1.3739734
    RTÉ colleagues say the broadcaster made a settlement offer to Ms Fitzgerald who is pleased with the outcome.

    The offer is understood to have followed consultations between her legal team and that of RTÉ, and the threat of legal action.

    And Joe Duffy constantly banging on about 'he could be let go in the morning'...lol


  • #6738
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    NIMAN wrote: »
    You do realise that it will become near impossible not to pay the licence in the future.

    They are planning to change it from a tv licence to a digital licence, and it will encompass every single gadget that can receive streaming content, which will even get money from those who don't own tv's.

    And if they have their way, they will have revenue collect it, and those guys know how to get money out of you!

    They are planning to tack it onto the local property tax that currently has a high compliance rate. They are going to make it a "device-independent broadcasting charge" which means they get revenue even if you have no TV and do not consume their output.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #6739
    jams100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭jams100


    For Forks Sake wrote: »
    Imagine how much of a f*cking idiot you need to be to make Eirigi look like the good guys out of a situation :rolleyes:

    I dont know why they paid them anything, they corrected what was said on the night and issued a further apology the next week. Why the f**k also give the money? Last I heard RTE were in a state financially.


  • #6740
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    RTÉ 2 is lucky to get 100,000 on average for their top 5 programs outside of sport. It's the 4th most watch TV channel and it's just about keeping VM2 out of 4th place. It did even manage a 4% share in Jan or Feb.


  • #6741
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Elmo wrote: »
    RTÉ 2 is lucky to get 100,000 on average for their top 5 programs outside of sport. It's the 4th most watch TV channel and it's just about keeping VM2 out of 4th place. It did even manage a 4% share in Jan or Feb.

    That's interesting, where do you get those figures?

    I tried a search and it keeps diverting me to how many viewers they got on their most-watched shows.

    Hmm


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  • #6742
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    That's interesting, where do you get those figures?

    I tried a search and it keeps diverting me to how many viewers they got on their most-watched shows.

    Hmm

    Medialive (you need to register) and TAM Ireland.


  • #6743
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    elperello wrote: »
    Here's a better idea.

    Why don't we sit down like sensible people and decide what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want and then discuss how to fund it?

    Heaven knows there are lots of ideas out there.

    This forum alone has enough opinions to be going on with.


    Netflix and Youtube in particular and now the plethora of other streaming services like Bitchute, Odysee, Dailymotion etc have redefined what public service broadcasting is.

    RTE is state sponsored media, originally build on a model pioneered by the BBC in the early twentieth century. The BBC are being forced to change and likely the Irish government will follow their lead eventually.

    Most media content is now consumed when people get the time, the only exceptions are live sports events and perhaps daily news broadcasts which have a set timetable.

    Time shifting has been with us for a while (rise and fall of Xtravision & Blockbuster) and many people have gotten used to subscription fees for internet, phones and streaming services with content on demand.

    The new generation of content creators are honing their skills on youtube and other platforms, They might be starting out with minecraft or cat videos, they are learning how to build an audience and what works and does not, that is where the talent pool is and it's bypassing nepotism.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



  • #6744
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    elperello wrote: »
    Here's a better idea.

    Why don't we sit down like sensible people and decide what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want and then discuss how to fund it?

    Heaven knows there are lots of ideas out there.

    This forum alone has enough opinions to be going on with.
    RTE has completely deviated away from being our national broadcaster and I expect that they would do badly in an impartial poll of the country's population. I would like to see a real national broadcaster along the lines of PBS in the States. In order for this to happen in Ireland, we need to see some major holistic changes at RTE, but that will never happen unless it is forced upon them.


  • #6745
    keano_afc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,713 ✭✭✭keano_afc


    They bent very easily, compared to how they dealt with John Waters.


  • #6746
    Beasty
    Administrators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 78,499 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Beasty


    Threads merged


  • #6747
    ligerdub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,585 ✭✭✭ligerdub


    elperello wrote: »
    Here's a better idea.

    Why don't we sit down like sensible people and decide what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want and then discuss how to fund it?

    That question would be (and may in fact be) the right one if the answer to "what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want" could possibly be: none at all.


  • #6748
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Today at 2:30 the commission on the Future of Media will discuss

    How should the media be funded and regulated to meet the needs of the Public in the years ahead?

    You won't get to ask any questions except via Text and they will report back in 3 to 4, they will purely do the following

    1. Recommend that the licence fee be collected in a different manner
    2. Recommend that the Sound and Vision Fund be opened to include Pay TV and online content providers
    3. Recommend that a separate Sound and Vision Fund be opened for local and national independent news and current affairs providers
    4. An increase to the licence fee.

    This is the second forum set up by successive governments to discuss this, in 2017 the committee on Communications reported back to the minister.

    The other issues that the forum have discusses are largely academic in nature, they will form part of the report we will read in Summer, it will go to the government and the minister will then make her decision and a new act will be put in place, possible in 2023 (I can't see it happening in 2022 or this year). It might do what the Australians have done with Facebook and other social media providers.

    It will not recommended the reform of RTÉ. I think most of the people on the commission believe that RTÉ provide an excellent service.

    Also NSO move to the NCH from RTÉ has yet to be completed 3 months into the year. They set up 2 working groups in 2018 to plan this move!

    More info here https://futureofmediacommission.ie/thematic-dialogues/thematic-dialogue-4/


  • #6749
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Elmo wrote: »
    Not having news on RTÉ2?

    Is there no news on RTE 2 anymore? Goes to show you how long it is since I watched it.


  • #6750
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,642 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Elmo wrote: »
    Today at 2:30 the commission on the Future of Media will discuss

    How should the media be funded and regulated to meet the needs of the Public in the years ahead?

    You won't get to ask any questions except via Text and they will report back in 3 to 4, they will purely do the following

    1. Recommend that the licence fee be collected in a different manner
    2. Recommend that the Sound and Vision Fund be opened to include Pay TV and online content providers
    3. Recommend that a separate Sound and Vision Fund be opened for local and national independent news and current affairs providers
    4. An increase to the licence fee.

    This is the second forum set up by successive governments to discuss this, in 2017 the committee on Communications reported back to the minister.

    The other issues that the forum have discusses are largely academic in nature, they will form part of the report we will read in Summer, it will go to the government and the minister will then make her decision and a new act will be put in place, possible in 2023 (I can't see it happening in 2022 or this year). It might do what the Australians have done with Facebook and other social media providers.

    It will not recommended the reform of RTÉ. I think most of the people on the commission believe that RTÉ provide an excellent service.

    Also NSO move to the NCH from RTÉ has yet to be completed 3 months into the year. They set up 2 working groups in 2018 to plan this move!

    More info here https://futureofmediacommission.ie/thematic-dialogues/thematic-dialogue-4/

    Sounds like a committee of turkeys voting to abolish christmas.


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  • #6751
    Elmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is there no news on RTE 2 anymore? Goes to show you how long it is since I watched it.

    Only News2Day the children's news.

    They initially drop the main news at 11ish (aka News on TWO) in 2014 and replaced it with 2 bulletins at 7pm and 8pm called NewsFeed, it was quietly dropped after maybe 2 to 3 years on the air, it didn't run during the summer months. It was a minute long.

    RTÉ ONE dropped their morning and late night news bulletins a few years back, as did 2FM with evening news bulletins.

    RTÉ ONE retained their Weather in the morning (and I think late night) and 2FM retained their Sports bulletins in the evening.... why?

    $PON$OR$HIP


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