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Dee Forbes banging the RTE TV licence drum again 60m uncollected fee *poll not working - pl ignore*

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    #6752
    shtpEdthePlum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭shtpEdthePlum


    Elmo wrote: »
    RTÉ 2 is lucky to get 100,000 on average for their top 5 programs outside of sport. It's the 4th most watch TV channel and it's just about keeping VM2 out of 4th place. It did even manage a 4% share in Jan or Feb.

    That's interesting, where do you get those figures?

    I tried a search and it keeps diverting me to how many viewers they got on their most-watched shows.

    Hmm


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    #6753
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    shtpEdthePlum wrote: »
    That's interesting, where do you get those figures?

    I tried a search and it keeps diverting me to how many viewers they got on their most-watched shows.

    Hmm

    Medialive (you need to register) and TAM Ireland.


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    #6754
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    elperello wrote: »
    Here's a better idea.

    Why don't we sit down like sensible people and decide what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want and then discuss how to fund it?

    Heaven knows there are lots of ideas out there.

    This forum alone has enough opinions to be going on with.


    Netflix and Youtube in particular and now the plethora of other streaming services like Bitchute, Odysee, Dailymotion etc have redefined what public service broadcasting is.

    RTE is state sponsored media, originally build on a model pioneered by the BBC in the early twentieth century. The BBC are being forced to change and likely the Irish government will follow their lead eventually.

    Most media content is now consumed when people get the time, the only exceptions are live sports events and perhaps daily news broadcasts which have a set timetable.

    Time shifting has been with us for a while (rise and fall of Xtravision & Blockbuster) and many people have gotten used to subscription fees for internet, phones and streaming services with content on demand.

    The new generation of content creators are honing their skills on youtube and other platforms, They might be starting out with minecraft or cat videos, they are learning how to build an audience and what works and does not, that is where the talent pool is and it's bypassing nepotism.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #6755
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    elperello wrote: »
    Here's a better idea.

    Why don't we sit down like sensible people and decide what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want and then discuss how to fund it?

    Heaven knows there are lots of ideas out there.

    This forum alone has enough opinions to be going on with.
    RTE has completely deviated away from being our national broadcaster and I expect that they would do badly in an impartial poll of the country's population. I would like to see a real national broadcaster along the lines of PBS in the States. In order for this to happen in Ireland, we need to see some major holistic changes at RTE, but that will never happen unless it is forced upon them.


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    #6756
    keano_afc
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    They bent very easily, compared to how they dealt with John Waters.


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    #6757
    Beasty
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    Threads merged


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    #6758
    ligerdub
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    elperello wrote: »
    Here's a better idea.

    Why don't we sit down like sensible people and decide what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want and then discuss how to fund it?

    That question would be (and may in fact be) the right one if the answer to "what sort of Public Broadcasting Service we want" could possibly be: none at all.


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    #6759
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Today at 2:30 the commission on the Future of Media will discuss

    How should the media be funded and regulated to meet the needs of the Public in the years ahead?

    You won't get to ask any questions except via Text and they will report back in 3 to 4, they will purely do the following

    1. Recommend that the licence fee be collected in a different manner
    2. Recommend that the Sound and Vision Fund be opened to include Pay TV and online content providers
    3. Recommend that a separate Sound and Vision Fund be opened for local and national independent news and current affairs providers
    4. An increase to the licence fee.

    This is the second forum set up by successive governments to discuss this, in 2017 the committee on Communications reported back to the minister.

    The other issues that the forum have discusses are largely academic in nature, they will form part of the report we will read in Summer, it will go to the government and the minister will then make her decision and a new act will be put in place, possible in 2023 (I can't see it happening in 2022 or this year). It might do what the Australians have done with Facebook and other social media providers.

    It will not recommended the reform of RTÉ. I think most of the people on the commission believe that RTÉ provide an excellent service.

    Also NSO move to the NCH from RTÉ has yet to be completed 3 months into the year. They set up 2 working groups in 2018 to plan this move!

    More info here https://futureofmediacommission.ie/thematic-dialogues/thematic-dialogue-4/


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    #6760
    [Deleted User]
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    Elmo wrote: »
    Not having news on RTÉ2?

    Is there no news on RTE 2 anymore? Goes to show you how long it is since I watched it.


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    #6761
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 11,614 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Elmo wrote: »
    Today at 2:30 the commission on the Future of Media will discuss

    How should the media be funded and regulated to meet the needs of the Public in the years ahead?

    You won't get to ask any questions except via Text and they will report back in 3 to 4, they will purely do the following

    1. Recommend that the licence fee be collected in a different manner
    2. Recommend that the Sound and Vision Fund be opened to include Pay TV and online content providers
    3. Recommend that a separate Sound and Vision Fund be opened for local and national independent news and current affairs providers
    4. An increase to the licence fee.

    This is the second forum set up by successive governments to discuss this, in 2017 the committee on Communications reported back to the minister.

    The other issues that the forum have discusses are largely academic in nature, they will form part of the report we will read in Summer, it will go to the government and the minister will then make her decision and a new act will be put in place, possible in 2023 (I can't see it happening in 2022 or this year). It might do what the Australians have done with Facebook and other social media providers.

    It will not recommended the reform of RTÉ. I think most of the people on the commission believe that RTÉ provide an excellent service.

    Also NSO move to the NCH from RTÉ has yet to be completed 3 months into the year. They set up 2 working groups in 2018 to plan this move!

    More info here https://futureofmediacommission.ie/thematic-dialogues/thematic-dialogue-4/

    Sounds like a committee of turkeys voting to abolish christmas.


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    #6762
    Elmo
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is there no news on RTE 2 anymore? Goes to show you how long it is since I watched it.

    Only News2Day the children's news.

    They initially drop the main news at 11ish (aka News on TWO) in 2014 and replaced it with 2 bulletins at 7pm and 8pm called NewsFeed, it was quietly dropped after maybe 2 to 3 years on the air, it didn't run during the summer months. It was a minute long.

    RTÉ ONE dropped their morning and late night news bulletins a few years back, as did 2FM with evening news bulletins.

    RTÉ ONE retained their Weather in the morning (and I think late night) and 2FM retained their Sports bulletins in the evening.... why?

    $PON$OR$HIP


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    #6763
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Netflix and Youtube in particular and now the plethora of other streaming services like Bitchute, Odysee, Dailymotion etc have redefined what public service broadcasting is.

    As John McEnroe famously said, "You cannot be serious!"

    Clickbait and foaming RWers is "redefining public service broadcasting". Uhuh.

    keano_afc wrote: »
    They bent very easily, compared to how they dealt with John Waters.

    They shouldn't have given Waters a red cent, he got a rumoured 70k for having the truth told about him. Anyway he got massive condemnation from the public over it so there is that.

    20k to RTE is basically "f... off money" i.e. we can't be bothered, we'll give you something out of petty cash to go away.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #6764
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    As John McEnroe famously said, "You cannot be serious!"

    Clickbait and foaming RWers is "redefining public service broadcasting". Uhuh.

    What is RTE? It is a content provider that maintains and operates its own terrestrial transmission network and an internet presence. It sells advertising slots and it must tailor content to draw in the demographic that advertisers need and if I recall Joe Duffy and others use misery porn to bait listeners.

    I don't consume RTE so I don't know how much educational content RTE puts out these days? I want to know how to jump start a car?, roast a turkey?, make concrete? Can I look this up on RTE and have the information I need in 5 minutes to complete my task? Maybe something more in-depth like learning to fly a plane, solving maths problems or listening to entertaining stories? Maybe you are looking for perspectives than don't fit on the 3" x 5" index card of allowable opinion served by an Irish media that imports their wokeness from abroad. Irish media in general takes content published elsewhere months ago, it simply adds local names as part of the package, forgetting we have the internet as well. The media circuit in Ireland is quite small and once you have learned someone's biases you can form a reasonably accurate profile of the conversion flow without having to watch or listen.

    You can switch off RTE now. You do lose out on local topics like GAA, or the once in a blue moon topic that entertains people, it's not the end of the world you lack a shared experience, but it can make for more engaging conversation. When I had TV I really did not care what happened in the various soap opera dramas. I found them monotonous and annoying and either switched the TV off or went channel surfing. In the end I got rid of TV, it had became noise in the background.

    Likewise you can switch off you tube, however, the cost of information needed to complete some tasks in your daily live rises and potentially your standard of living is reduced. Youtube is quite useful, the cost is being they soak a lot of your time in adverts for the free service, or €144 per annum if you want premium subscription just to avoid seeing ads.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #6765
    retalivity
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    Pa ElGrande wrote: »
    Youtube is quite useful, the cost is being they soak a lot of your time in adverts for the free service, or €144 per annum if you want premium subscription just to avoid seeing ads.

    Or just use adblock like the rest of us.


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    #6766
    Theworldisy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Theworldisy


    If Rte was gone tomorrow would it be missed i would say for alot of people no. And as the years go on the answer is defo no. Rte won't change they are too comfortable. Rinse repeat. Waste money say your going to make cuts. Do the same thing then go to the government of the day for another bail out. It'll will end but not for a while. But the day will come. You cant just keep producing the muck they do and the service they do and get away with it. The rte player is beyond a joke. It just doesn't work. They are trying to look for ideas through consultation why would anyone bother. They just won't listen. The panel show was terrible ran it's course yet we get another panel show with the same unfunny clowns on it. The talk shows are just full of rte employee's or mates trying to plug something.


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    #6767
    Elmo
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    Theworldisy wrote: »
    They are trying to look for ideas through consultation why would anyone bother. They just won't listen.

    I listed the questions a while back, they are mainly multiple choice, a few free text boxes to fill, but nothing that could cause RTÉ to think that their audience are unhappy.


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    #6768
    Hotblack Desiato
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    You seem to have some very odd ideas about what a public service broadcaster should be.

    It's crap because it doesn't replicate YouTube, and it's crap if it tries to??

    Don't get me wrong there is an overwhelming amount of sheer bad content on RTE especially Duffy which in no way meets any reasonable definition of public service broadcasting or worthy of licence fee support.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #6769
    Theworldisy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 50 ✭✭Theworldisy


    Look everyone knows the gravy train keeps going over there. Producing a product that nobody wants. In fairness id say if rte was gone 65 percent would not miss it. What do they actually produce that people watch. Example dating with me parents. Like wtf. Who would watch that complete pile of ****e. Every second program is a rip off of another program. Rte are just not fit for purpose. Late late is not the problem but the most wooden of interviewers is on 450k when a company is broke. THAT IS A JOKE.


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    #6770
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Dee on RTE radio 1 now if anyone interested.


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    #6771
    [Deleted User]
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    That'll be a soft interview.


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    #6772
    redlead
    Registered Users Posts: 1,126 ✭✭✭redlead


    My toddler threw my eir remote in the bin about a week ago I'd say, no sign of it. Its proven to me how rubbish tv is because I couldn't care less. The only thing I wanted to watch was Tommy Tiernan so stuck on the rte player last night (forgot its on Saturdays) and was quickly reminded that the RTE player is the worst app ever created and basically doesn't work. Maybe it's just time for RTE to downsize to one channel and become a BBC4 sort of station that also has the news. I.e the public service remit sort of stuff noone else will show. Cut staff and costs drastically. They are simply never going to compete on entertainment.


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    #6773
    Mav11
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    That'll be a soft interview.

    In fairness to Richard Curran it wasn't that soft. I'm not sure how much further he could have pushed it. Dee Forbes is like a broken record.


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    #6774
    mgn
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    After that interview the only conclusion I can come to is that Dee and Stephen Donnelly are clones, same waffle, never answer the question their asked, no surprise RTE is losing money with the likes of her running the show.


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    #6775
    [Deleted User]
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    Mav11 wrote: »
    In fairness to Richard Curran it wasn't that soft. I'm not sure how much further he could have pushed it. Dee Forbes is like a broken record.
    He can't exactly do Paxman on it.
    Interviewer on RTE: So, Ms. Forbes what will you do to reduce costs?
    DG of RTE: perhaps, if I'm pushed, selective reduction in payroll costs for on-air talent.

    Interviewer then backs off.


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    #6776
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    He can't exactly do Paxman on it.
    Interviewer on RTE: So, Ms. Forbes what will you do to reduce costs?
    DG of RTE: perhaps, if I'm pushed, selective reduction in payroll costs for on-air talent.

    Interviewer then backs off.

    When was the interview?


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    #6777
    Pa ElGrande
    Registered Users Posts: 3,507 ✭✭✭Pa ElGrande


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    You seem to have some very odd ideas about what a public service broadcaster should be.

    It's crap because it doesn't replicate YouTube, and it's crap if it tries to??

    Don't get me wrong there is an overwhelming amount of sheer bad content on RTE especially Duffy which in no way meets any reasonable definition of public service broadcasting or worthy of licence fee support.


    There are poor quality content and cat videos on youtube, you don't have to sit there passively and watch it. If you don't have broadband internet, and RTE is your only choice then you sit there and take it.

    Youtube has changed the game. As a consequence of the enforced lockdowns, many mainstream broadcast presenters have had to learn about sound and video quality from youtubers and even how to do post production on their content from home.


    It seems to me RTE pretends to operate on a "public service" model developed in the 1920s and 1930s by the BBC. A few decades ago it had near monopoly control of the airwaves within Ireland and it could keep up appearances, in reality it is the Irish equivalent of an American network affiliate TV or radio station, but, with a budget deficit and notions above its station in life as a content provider platform and publisher. The internet revolution, advent of social media, smartphones etc. has impacted the entire established media landscape, this is not confined to RTE, the difference is RTE has a cash flow collected by An Post plus additional taxpayer funded grants and with that advantage the organisation can't manage to transition.

    Net Zero means we are paying for the destruction of our economy and society in pursuit of an unachievable and pointless policy.



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    #6778
    mgn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,904 ✭✭✭mgn


    Elmo wrote: »
    Wh

    This morning on the business with Richard Curran.


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    #6779
    Elmo
    Registered Users Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    Elmo wrote: »
    When was the interview?

    On the business will check later.

    Richard Curran brother of former dg Noel


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    #6780
    [Deleted User]
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    Elmo wrote: »
    When was the interview?
    you know damn well that this is the scenario that would play out if an underling would dare to question his or her betters.


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    #6781
    DrSerious3
    Registered Users Posts: 130 ✭✭DrSerious3


    Theworldisy wrote: »
    Look everyone knows the gravy train keeps going over there. Producing a product that nobody wants. In fairness id say if rte was gone 65 percent would not miss it. What do they actually produce that people watch. Example dating with me parents. Like wtf. Who would watch that complete pile of ****e. Every second program is a rip off of another program. Rte are just not fit for purpose. Late late is not the problem but the most wooden of interviewers is on 450k when a company is broke. THAT IS A JOKE.

    It's so true. Programmes like Pulling with My Parents are puke-inducing. If Virgin Media did sh*t like that that is their decision but it should not be bankrolled by the public on RTE. Zero public service value.

    Solution: stop chasing ratings. One channel only, featuring politics (unbiased if you're able to do that) news, sport of a particularly Irish interest, culture, the arts. Cut the wages, cut the nepotism and broadcast items that might actually add to our cultural capital and not American re-runs and copycats of foreign formats ala Dancing with the Staff and First Dates. It's that simple Dee, do it.


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